Jimmy Garoppolo was taken 62th player in 2014 draft the 5th QB picked
David Webb was taken 87th player in 2016 draft the 5th QB picked
Garoppolo started to get into games his first two years in garbage time
it was only when Brady was suspended .That Garoppolo became starter , He played 1 1/2 games and was injured
finally in YEAR 4 Garoppolo traded and becomes the legend for 49ers
My point is maybe Giants do have their future QB in Webb and maybe we should let Eli keep on at starter for 1 or 2 more years meanwhile starting to seriously groom Webb as successor.
jlukes = Eli Manning
jlukes = Eli Manning
LOL.
Also, Jimmy G has had Josh McDaniels and Bill Belicheck coaching him.
Davis Webb had Ben McAdoo.
Advantage?
Garaoppolo.
If Webb is the guy to replace Eli in 1 or 2 seasons, we're in great position come draft time. I just wish I could've seen the kid play.
If Webb is the guy to replace Eli in 1 or 2 seasons, we're in great position come draft time. I just wish I could've seen the kid play.
I’ve read the preseason game reviews in this site, which is all I know of Webb. He wasn’t much of a scrambler in college but the review said his footwork was solid and he kept his eyes downfield. That would be a pretty good improvement for a rookie. That’s about all I have to hang my hat on.
Webb ain't Garroppolo. JG ahd a much better rep as a pro prospect than Webb coming out. Most socuts and previews viewed Webb as a project.
About the only thing they have in common as of now.
Also, Jimmy G has had Josh McDaniels and Bill Belicheck coaching him.
Davis Webb had Ben McAdoo.
Advantage?
Garaoppolo.
Brady is "famously unhelpful to the backup QBs" (ESPN), while we know Manning is the opposite
the articles out today make note that Brady did NOTHING to help Jimmy G.
never took him under his wing and always perceived him as a threat
where as Eli has been tutoring Webb since he got here
Webb is more likely to be a practice squad qb, than a a franchise one in the NFL. Listen, if the Giants take Darnold/Rosen and one of them AND Webb end up a franchise qb (highly unlikely), the Giants are in the ultimate position of power.
JonC, have you heard anything about which QB the Giants like the most? I believe you have mentioned Darnold before in the past.
Also, Jimmy G has had Josh McDaniels and Bill Belicheck coaching him.
Davis Webb had Ben McAdoo.
Advantage?
Garaoppolo.
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Jimmy G learned under Tom Brady and as much as I love Eli Manning. Eli isn't Tom Brady.
Also, Jimmy G has had Josh McDaniels and Bill Belicheck coaching him.
Davis Webb had Ben McAdoo.
Advantage?
Garaoppolo.
According to press accounts, Tom Brady didn't do anything to mentor Jimmy G. Actively avoided it. Saw him as a threat.
Rightly so apparently :-)
jlukes = Eli Manning
lol!
jlukes = Eli Manning
But how are you at practical jokes. But other than that. Twins.
About the only thing they have in common as of now.
Cliff Calvin? How are you. :)
also, every project QB reese has selected has been garbage, including nassib who he traded up to get. not a winning ratio
Yup. Winner winner. All that needs to be said.
Webb should have never been drafted(because we had so many other needs), UNLESS WE THOUGHT HE WAS THE FUTURE!
It just goes to show you what a cluster f*ck Reese and Mac have created.....
At the bye, is when Webb should have been made #2......he should have been given playing time in the fourth quarter of games out of reach.....instead we drafted a guy we know nothing about, because we never attempted to see what he could do in live action.....
Funny thing is, Webb was known more for his short passing than his long passing.....this was an offense taylored for that......Eli is not the best at throwing short...even with a bad OL, if Webb threw quickly, he could have handled this OL.......but we never exercised this opportunity....
So, now we have an unknown at QB, and are we even sure what is in the draft, is that much better than Webb? I have not seen it, in recent games.....Darnold did not look good under pressure.....Rosen isn't playing......Mayfield, for whatever reason, did not take over that game in OVERTIME......
As I said, just how good are these guys? I have not seen enough of their play, and I don't think many on BBI have either....they are just guessing....
Agree, someone showed an analysis and he could not hit the side of a barn on throes more than 20 yards. He would trend toward a Dave Brown, not Jimmy Garoppolo.
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to avoid using the #2 pick on a QB is hilarious.
JonC, have you heard anything about which QB the Giants like the most? I believe you have mentioned Darnold before in the past.
Even if JonC knows... how unprofessional to let the world (and the Browns) know which one you prefer. I'd be very disappointed in the Giants new FO if they leaked this information.. to Jon, to Eric, to anyone... and in Jon too for making it public
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I dont believe Webb develops into some franchise QB. Just too inaccurate.
Agree, someone showed an analysis and he could not hit the side of a barn on throes more than 20 yards. He would trend toward a Dave Brown, not Jimmy Garoppolo.
Bingo, I've been saying in other threads. Go watch tape on Webb, everything is one read to an open receiver within 10 yards. Any downfield throws are not accurate. Then go watch tape on Darnold/Rosen, heck even Allen...their heads are always on a swivel once read one is gone.
And, as someone else said, Webb is a Reese mid-round pick, doesn't bode well for him. I don't think we'll ever know this, but I have a feeling Webb is a later round pick if not for the Giants.
Unfortunately, the team would be foolish to give a mid-round pick, who was selected by a GM known for failed mid-round picks, that kind of time when you are staring at two of the better QB prospects to come out since Luck.
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to avoid using the #2 pick on a QB is hilarious.
JonC, have you heard anything about which QB the Giants like the most? I believe you have mentioned Darnold before in the past.
Way too early. My opinion is they'll prefer Darnold. MAB's post has also been noted, although it's more likely other teams know or have a good idea before one of the beat writers shares it, etc.
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to avoid using the #2 pick on a QB is hilarious.
JonC, have you heard anything about which QB the Giants like the most? I believe you have mentioned Darnold before in the past.
Even if JonC knows... how unprofessional to let the world (and the Browns) know which one you prefer. I'd be very disappointed in the Giants new FO if they leaked this information.. to Jon, to Eric, to anyone... and in Jon too for making it public
Why would it matter to the Browns? Are you saying the Giants preference will influence who the browns select?
Their first names--James and Davis--are both five letters long
jlukes = Eli Manning
Having roomed with jlukes in the past, i can assure you this is a lie.
Not only the browns... but if other teams know who the Giants want, they may be more inclined to trade up to one too (and could give the browns more comfort to take their guy at 4 if it's Allen as has been rumored)
As fans naturally we're curious, but the Giants need to keep this shit air tight imo. jon says beat writers will know before hand... that was the case under Reese's ship. I'm hoping that changes with the new regime. Loose lips sink ships.
Not only the browns... but if other teams know who the Giants want, they may be more inclined to trade up to one too (and could give the browns more comfort to take their guy at 4 if it's Allen as has been rumored)
As fans naturally we're curious, but the Giants need to keep this shit air tight imo. jon says beat writers will know before hand... that was the case under Reese's ship. I'm hoping that changes with the new regime. Loose lips sink ships.
I understand what you’re saying but I don’t think a post by JonC on a random thread is going to altert the Browns.
About the only thing they have in common as of now.
and Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln
Garropolo ...
STRENGTHS Has a very quick trigger and good wrist snap that translates to a smooth throwing motion and clean, compact delivery (no windup). Lightning release quickness. Urgent decision maker. Sells play-action. Athletic enough to slide in the pocket and buy time with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. Good anticipation -- throws his receivers open. Can change ball speeds and drop it in a bucket. Does not take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball. Will deliver the ball looking down the barrel of a gun. Tough-minded and poised in the pocket -- can withstand a hit and pop back up. Highly competitive. Smart, respected, vocal team leader. Very durable, experienced, four-year starter. Good football intelligence.
WEAKNESSES Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms. Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield, and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the Ohio Valley Conference.
Davis Webb
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/davis-webb?id=2557897
STRENGTHS Stands tall in the pocket with a high release point. Rhythm passer. Can drive it with accuracy between hashes when allowed to sling from a clean pocket. Shows patience to allow crossing routes to clear traffic. Expedites release with compact delivery when blitzed. Functional poise with blitz in his face. Slides to create cleaner platform to launch from when pocket gets noisy. Internal clock is operational. Has feel for when ball has been in his hands too long and will look to release it. Feet are good enough to operate in a boot-action passing attack. Completion percentage saw an uptick in the fourth quarter in 2016.
WEAKNESSES Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
OK, does Garropolo's draft report jump out at you, vs. Webb's ? I wouldn't say so (plus Webb was competing against better players, in college).
If you pick a QB at #2 over-all (and you keep Eli), Webb is G-O-N-E. You may keep a vet like Geno Smith, if Eli goes down, but not two developmental players behind your starter.- that is irresponsible.
You have a Patrick Mahomes kind of rookie; I don't see that kind of QB in this draft.
That makes me Think Webb can be the guy..
Imo, and JUST IMO .. Giants should play Eli for 2 more years and let Davis Webb season perfectly for 3 full seasons , then hand Webb the job.
You can't teach that. Collins had the best arm since Sonny Jergensen, but his feet were nailed to the turf.
We can't ignore those traits at 6-5 230, we can't ignore his willingness to learn and be Elis bitch for 2 more years he will love it because he knows he needs to put in the work, his mentality is EXACTLY what you need from him.
Keep Eli around for 2 more seasons, let Webb soak up everything like a sponge and he can legit be Rodgers like sensation when he starts week 1 2020 to start the decade for us.