He's done a great job without a ton of high end defensive talent. No clue if he's ready or capable of being HC though. Figure they're more intrigued by McDaniels, but then you've got the doosh factor to consider.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Short term pain, long term gain. He's about to make a lot more then he ever would've as a rocket scientist.
New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Same can be said for the offense though, right? Especially when its your franchise QB? It really doesn't matter who gets cut or who gets hurt on that team, they keep winning because of Belichick. Not saying Patricia will or will not be a good HC but...I just can't put much stock into things like this.
I guess when someone says he is "the smartest person in the room" Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Josh, in your OP, you say you "love this guy" and "fingers crossed". Now you are saying Wilks is the guy you want? Which is it?
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
He's obviously has had success as a DC but is he a CEO, "command the room" type of guy? Has anyone ever heard him speak? There are plenty of great coordinators that don't have what it takes to be the head coach. It also always scares me when someone gets labeled as a genius.
more intriguing than McDaniels, but only because we know less about hi Â
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Ask around, Josh. See if you can get anyone that doesn't know how you whine about every single draft pick every year. Then you can get back to me about how I'm the troll.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
I was really under the impression that he was the heir to Billy B Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
No idea where you are getting your numbers from (likely your Midwest club scene connection), but no team is winning 10+ games giving up 35 points a game.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
of Patriot assistants, and honestly, I can probably be talked into excitement over Patricia or McDaniels.
However, one fact remains constant. There is only one individual the Patriot dynasty has ever been without and that's Little Bill.
They have won without Weis, Crennel, O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels and Patricia. They even won 11 games without Tom Brady but I'll focus on the coaches specifically.
Who out of those names has done anything with Bill or the Pats in general?
Weis nothing
McDaniels nothing
Mangini showed promise before crashing and burning
Romeo had his moments in Cleveland
O'Brien has probably had the most success betwen PSU and Houston but even he has not accomplished anything substantial.
I think all of these guys are bright and know football. They would have to to be on Bill's staff. With most of them I worry more about the leadership/personality characteristics than I do the football stuff. Mangini and McDaniels were total disasters in that respect. Who knows about Patricia?
Out of the 2 I think I lean towards McDaniels because at least he's already had the crash and burn and maybe knowing his future coaching life depends on it, he learns from his past mistakes.
Yep I don't get the love for Patricia. Brady is the reason Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.
was 5th best in the league this year in points allowed. Last year they were ranked #1.
Since he has been DC, the Pats have never been out of the top 10 best in points allowed. The year before he was named DC, they were mid-pack of the NFL.
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And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)
And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)
It's a good point....play soft, don't get beat deep because the Patriots offense has you usually out in front.
As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
That doesn't really follow. One is math. It's difficult math, but it's still math. There's a mathematical solution.
amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."
If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.
when I had work done on my house, I wanted it done right. So I hired an expert.
Supposedly Tisch was in on the hiring of Gettleman. Now that he hired the expert, he's sitting back and letting G do the job. Tisch has never really gotten all that involved in running the football side of things. He tends to come out of the woodwork when things are going horribly wrong and he growls enough to let his partner know shit has to change. Otherwise, he cashes his dividend checks and lets others run the show. I wish Mara were a bit more like that.
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Here's a fun one for you Josh, on the Dalvin Tomlinson draft pick thread:
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Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 8:56 pm : link
absolutely horrendous pick. Shouldn't have been drafted until tomorrow.
Just for context, here's what Sy had to say about his rookie year:
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Rookie Dalvin Tomlinson had his second best game of the season, totaling 4 tackles and 2 pressures. He had arguably the best year of all the rookie DTs in the league and will be a reliable starter on this team for a long time, no matter the scheme.
But it's not always just draft picks that you get irrational about. Sometimes it's a coach. And sometimes your solution is a coworker of your current flavor of the week:
on head coaches and QB's. It's an art not a science. There is no projection formula going from a coordinator to a head coach. It a totally different skill set. I'm not sure previous successful or failed experience as a HC is a indicator either because there are so many variables. There are so few people who are good NFL coaches. Choosing a minor league QB moving to the NFL is just as difficult both the on field and off field variables are so different in every case. I hope Gettleman gets them right if he really has the authority to make the choices.
My vote are McDaniels & Rosen. But my record is way below the Mendoza line. So hopefully it's neither.
Josh is slamming a pick - not slamming another poster.
Just let it go. Neither of you come out ahead in this.
We all have emotional posts. Well, most of us. I don't think Bill2 is capable of going over the top - he is way too stable and even keeled. I would love to be able to post as well as he does.
They have been playing stellar the last few months and look to continue that into the playoffs. I dont think that we can judge his defense by overall stats but rather how they played recently since thats a true measure of their defense
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Very interesting stats, I didn't anticipate an annual contender with multiple rings to rank that low. But, I wouldn't say they've won championships in spite of the defense either.
In his favor, NE defenses get better as the year goes on. That shows good coaching. But I'm sure someone mentioned, the one constant theme in their defenses if Belecheck. If Patricia wants to come to NY, I'm sure he'd make a good coordinator. Second, injuries aside, the Giants have the makings of a fairly good defense. Their offense needs a major overhaul. And, there's are good odds, Eli's replacement is coming in this draft. But, even it turns out to be Webb, and we're going the coordinator route I'm guessing that an OC has a better chance than a DC.
But, to my main point. The job of a coordinator or just assistant coach is so different than a head coach that it saying that so and so was a great coordinator tells you very little about how good a coach they would be. Bill Arnsberger, way back when, was a great DC under Don Shula. I think he was the DC on the undefeated Dolphin team; if not, he was the architect of great defenses. He was a horrible head coach; he was not a leader. And speaking of bad leaders, McAdoo had great credentials as an assistant coach. How did that work out? Does anybody here know anything about Patricia's leadership skills, organizational skills, motivational skills, media skills, etc? I don't know how you can. Maybe he's going to blow the GM out of the water with the interview but I'm guessing Patricia has no chance of getting the job.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Give me Wilks, guy has passion, fire and is a heck of a coach.
LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.
The info is wrong. Pats defense has consistently been top 10 since Patricia has been their DC.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Those numbers are NOT correct. New England has consistently been near the top of the list for LEAST points given up. I have no idea where your numbers come from. The rankings (28th this year, etc..) you listed I believe are for yards per game allowed. While considered poor, yards given up are not a consideration in the Pats defensive scheme. They're willing to give up 500 yards a game if they can hold you to 6 points.
Sometimes people need to look back from their screen Â
LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
This is so idiotic its not even funny. Its a false comparison a common flaw.
Are there only two variables?
If one follows your logic...."if one is smart then he is a bad coach cause Handley was smart and was a bad coach."
Um, there are other variables. Such a childish way to think.
you read it wrong. Greg is questioning the assumption that if you are smart you automatically are a good coach. Handley was smart enough to go to Stanford but was a bad coach
amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."
If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.
Unless it's a business move at this point to be co-owner. Give me my money, you guys do the football side. If the fans and media, and optics look bad, like it did this season. I will take part and meet, otherwise you run the football side, and tell me how we did this year with profits.
LimerickGuy brought the lumber.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
This is why I'm so confused when people have snarky comments to make every time he says something. He's practically a silent partner and never does anything to upset the apple cart.
Matt Patricia sounds like a very interesting candidate Â
But calling him “Matty P” sounds really obnoxious. It’s as if the OP is trying to imply he somehow knows more about him than the rest of us and is trying to claim credit for being “on him” before anyone.
Reminds me of Francesa calling Johnny Bench “John Bench” repeatedly...as if nobody (not even Bench himself) knew him better than Mike
although I don't know much about his personality, his results can't be argued with...especially considering the talent he has worked with. He coaches guys up. This team needs that.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
uggh.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
LMAO
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
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I still think they go with a retread
True...but if it was truly a deal breaker they wouldn't even bother interviewing him.
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would not mind him at all.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Short term pain, long term gain. He's about to make a lot more then he ever would've as a rocket scientist.
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New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Same can be said for the offense though, right? Especially when its your franchise QB? It really doesn't matter who gets cut or who gets hurt on that team, they keep winning because of Belichick. Not saying Patricia will or will not be a good HC but...I just can't put much stock into things like this.
Capable of card counting and banned from casinos too.......
Thing is, you'll never know unless you try.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
same for Wilks.
all we know is they have had some success in their respective positions in life and are supposedly able to "lead men" and "command the room".
sounds better than recycled old HC's who failed in their first gig, right?
uggh.
+1
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Josh, in your OP, you say you "love this guy" and "fingers crossed". Now you are saying Wilks is the guy you want? Which is it?
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
I suspect it was Tisch that was the catalyst for booting McAdoo, at least.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Ask around, Josh. See if you can get anyone that doesn't know how you whine about every single draft pick every year. Then you can get back to me about how I'm the troll.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Patriots points allowed/avg (rank in points allowed)
2017 - 296/18.5 (5)
2016 - 250/15.6 (1)
2015 - 315/19.7 (10)
2014 - 313/19.6 (8)
2013 - 338/21.1 (10)
2012 - 331/20.7 (9)
2011 - 342/21.4 (15)
No idea where you are getting your numbers from (likely your Midwest club scene connection), but no team is winning 10+ games giving up 35 points a game.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:
2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32
However, one fact remains constant. There is only one individual the Patriot dynasty has ever been without and that's Little Bill.
They have won without Weis, Crennel, O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels and Patricia. They even won 11 games without Tom Brady but I'll focus on the coaches specifically.
Who out of those names has done anything with Bill or the Pats in general?
Weis nothing
McDaniels nothing
Mangini showed promise before crashing and burning
Romeo had his moments in Cleveland
O'Brien has probably had the most success betwen PSU and Houston but even he has not accomplished anything substantial.
I think all of these guys are bright and know football. They would have to to be on Bill's staff. With most of them I worry more about the leadership/personality characteristics than I do the football stuff. Mangini and McDaniels were total disasters in that respect. Who knows about Patricia?
Out of the 2 I think I lean towards McDaniels because at least he's already had the crash and burn and maybe knowing his future coaching life depends on it, he learns from his past mistakes.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.
You were looking at points scored by NE lol
2017 they were 5th in points allowed:
2016 they were 1st in points allowed:
2015 they were 10th in points allowed:
2014 they were 8th in points allowed:
This is all with average talent at best. To me, that's a great coaching job.
Since he has been DC, the Pats have never been out of the top 10 best in points allowed. The year before he was named DC, they were mid-pack of the NFL.
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Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:
2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32
And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)
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Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:
2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32
And always in the lead. Easy to let up points in that respect. (although point can be made that its easier to defend when always leading, but half the league ups their offense stats in the last 8 mins of the 4th)
It's a good point....play soft, don't get beat deep because the Patriots offense has you usually out in front.
If you're wrong about this, prepare to be slaughtered!
That doesn't really follow. One is math. It's difficult math, but it's still math. There's a mathematical solution.
Football is not math. It's not solvable.
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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."
If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.
Mea Culpa.
You guys are all right.
Only ESPN would have an interface which shows offensive statistics on a team defense page.
As for Slade, stop it man. Just stop it. It's over.
Supposedly Tisch was in on the hiring of Gettleman. Now that he hired the expert, he's sitting back and letting G do the job. Tisch has never really gotten all that involved in running the football side of things. He tends to come out of the woodwork when things are going horribly wrong and he growls enough to let his partner know shit has to change. Otherwise, he cashes his dividend checks and lets others run the show. I wish Mara were a bit more like that.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Here's a fun one for you Josh, on the Dalvin Tomlinson draft pick thread:
Josh in the City : 4/28/2017 8:56 pm : link
absolutely horrendous pick. Shouldn't have been drafted until tomorrow.
Just for context, here's what Sy had to say about his rookie year:
But it's not always just draft picks that you get irrational about. Sometimes it's a coach. And sometimes your solution is a coworker of your current flavor of the week:
"We Should Hire Josh McDaniels"
My vote are McDaniels & Rosen. But my record is way below the Mendoza line. So hopefully it's neither.
Hey Hey Hey there is already a pissing match going on in this thread. You know the rules- one per thread.
This is so idiotic its not even funny. Its a false comparison a common flaw.
Are there only two variables?
If one follows your logic...."if one is smart then he is a bad coach cause Handley was smart and was a bad coach."
Um, there are other variables. Such a childish way to think.
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for Limerick guy. Well done!
Hey Hey Hey there is already a pissing match going on in this thread. You know the rules- one per thread.
LOL that pissing match is over. You know the rule...don't engage the troll. Let him bitch to himself.
Just let it go. Neither of you come out ahead in this.
We all have emotional posts. Well, most of us. I don't think Bill2 is capable of going over the top - he is way too stable and even keeled. I would love to be able to post as well as he does.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Very interesting stats, I didn't anticipate an annual contender with multiple rings to rank that low. But, I wouldn't say they've won championships in spite of the defense either.
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Even better!
If you're wrong about this, prepare to be slaughtered!
Slade is wrong about everything
But, to my main point. The job of a coordinator or just assistant coach is so different than a head coach that it saying that so and so was a great coordinator tells you very little about how good a coach they would be. Bill Arnsberger, way back when, was a great DC under Don Shula. I think he was the DC on the undefeated Dolphin team; if not, he was the architect of great defenses. He was a horrible head coach; he was not a leader. And speaking of bad leaders, McAdoo had great credentials as an assistant coach. How did that work out? Does anybody here know anything about Patricia's leadership skills, organizational skills, motivational skills, media skills, etc? I don't know how you can. Maybe he's going to blow the GM out of the water with the interview but I'm guessing Patricia has no chance of getting the job.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.
As for Slade, stop it man. Just stop it. It's over.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Give me Wilks, guy has passion, fire and is a heck of a coach.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
This is what I’ve been saying all along, this guy’s defenses have regularly sucked. I don’t get the fascination with him. And no thank you to Wills either. One year as a coordinator? I’d have thought we would have learned our lesson.
The info is wrong. Pats defense has consistently been top 10 since Patricia has been their DC.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Those numbers are NOT correct. New England has consistently been near the top of the list for LEAST points given up. I have no idea where your numbers come from. The rankings (28th this year, etc..) you listed I believe are for yards per game allowed. While considered poor, yards given up are not a consideration in the Pats defensive scheme. They're willing to give up 500 yards a game if they can hold you to 6 points.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
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Didn't Handley go to Stanford law school? Yeah.
This is so idiotic its not even funny. Its a false comparison a common flaw.
Are there only two variables?
If one follows your logic...."if one is smart then he is a bad coach cause Handley was smart and was a bad coach."
Um, there are other variables. Such a childish way to think.
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In comment 13773915 Eric from BBI said:
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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
I read that as "Mr. Tisch will not be involved in the interview process until after a decision is made."
If I owned half a professional football team, I would want to be in the room during such an interview.
Unless it's a business move at this point to be co-owner. Give me my money, you guys do the football side. If the fans and media, and optics look bad, like it did this season. I will take part and meet, otherwise you run the football side, and tell me how we did this year with profits.
He must have just woke from his slumber.
I checked his post twice,
the formatting’s nice,
but I’m not fucking sure ‘bout his numbers.
Well done, sir.
Reminds me of Francesa calling Johnny Bench “John Bench” repeatedly...as if nobody (not even Bench himself) knew him better than Mike
I'm bummed that I'm late to the party.