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Giants have officially interviewed Matty P

Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 2:44 pm
Didn't see a thread about it. Love this guy so fingers crossed...
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He's the wildcard for me  
JonC : 1/5/2018 2:46 pm : link
He's done a great job without a ton of high end defensive talent. No clue if he's ready or capable of being HC though. Figure they're more intrigued by McDaniels, but then you've got the doosh factor to consider.
Which one's the  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/5/2018 2:47 pm : link
doosh?
Agree with JonC  
Modus Operandi : 1/5/2018 2:50 pm : link
MP is very intriguing.
Guy is a genius  
The Dude : 1/5/2018 2:51 pm : link
would not mind him at all.

Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Anyone who thinks the  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 2:52 pm : link
defense is all Belichick...

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New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
RE: Which one's the  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13773832 DC Gmen Fan said:
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doosh?

Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
Speaking of douche  
B in ALB : 1/5/2018 2:54 pm : link
I just got the douche chills - "Matty P?"

uggh.
RE: RE: Which one's the  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13773847 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13773832 DC Gmen Fan said:


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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"

You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Would be happy with that pick  
Heisenberg : 1/5/2018 2:55 pm : link
Even without the HC experience
RE: RE: Which one's the  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/5/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13773847 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13773832 DC Gmen Fan said:


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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"


LMAO
This is who I want..  
Sean : 1/5/2018 2:55 pm : link
Time for something different here.
RE: Guy is a genius  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/5/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13773839 The Dude said:
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would not mind him at all.

Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.


Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Not sure how Mara views this  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 2:57 pm : link
When he wore that tee shirt
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If the Giants are going to take a shot on a coordinator  
larryflower37 : 1/5/2018 2:59 pm : link
This is who I want.
I still think they go with a retread
RE: Not sure how Mara views this  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13773857 GFAN52 said:
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When he wore that tee shirt Link - ( New Window )


True...but if it was truly a deal breaker they wouldn't even bother interviewing him.
Enough about how smart Patricia is already  
Greg from LI : 1/5/2018 3:01 pm : link
Didn't Handley go to Stanford law school? Yeah.
RE: RE: Guy is a genius  
giants#1 : 1/5/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13773856 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13773839 The Dude said:


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would not mind him at all.

Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.



Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.


Short term pain, long term gain. He's about to make a lot more then he ever would've as a rocket scientist.
RE: Anyone who thinks the  
Brown Recluse : 1/5/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13773844 Josh in the City said:
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defense is all Belichick...



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New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”



Same can be said for the offense though, right? Especially when its your franchise QB? It really doesn't matter who gets cut or who gets hurt on that team, they keep winning because of Belichick. Not saying Patricia will or will not be a good HC but...I just can't put much stock into things like this.
I guess when someone says he is "the smartest person in the room"  
figgy2989 : 1/5/2018 3:04 pm : link
It would actually be a true statement.
turned down $100k for $10k?  
Carl in CT : 1/5/2018 3:06 pm : link
most would say he is not a genius.
RE: Enough about how smart Patricia is already  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13773868 Greg from LI said:
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Didn't Handley go to Stanford law school? Yeah.


Capable of card counting and banned from casinos too.......

Thing is, you'll never know unless you try.
There are facts that need to be brought up.  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/5/2018 3:07 pm : link
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.


RE: RE: RE: Which one's the  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13773850 Josh in the City said:
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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"


You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.

Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
it's the unknown that makes him intriguing  
LG in NYC : 1/5/2018 3:10 pm : link
i'm guilty as well... the fact that he hasn't failed anywhere else and we know so little about him certainly makes him intriguing to me.

same for Wilks.

all we know is they have had some success in their respective positions in life and are supposedly able to "lead men" and "command the room".

sounds better than recycled old HC's who failed in their first gig, right?
RE: Speaking of douche  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13773849 B in ALB said:
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I just got the douche chills - "Matty P?"

uggh.

+1
RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
Jay on the Island : 1/5/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.


Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
People don’t like Mike Smith..  
Sean : 1/5/2018 3:13 pm : link
But he went 13-3 twice & 11-5. People will never be happy. I’d like this hire.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
figgy2989 : 1/5/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13773896 Jay on the Island said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.




Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.


Josh, in your OP, you say you "love this guy" and "fingers crossed". Now you are saying Wilks is the guy you want? Which is it?
Geez  
figgy2989 : 1/5/2018 3:15 pm : link
Sorry about that Jay. It's been a long day. Saw your post and thought it was Josh in the City.
RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
GFAN52 : 1/5/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.



Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
I'm not so sure about him.  
Pete in MD : 1/5/2018 3:17 pm : link
He's obviously has had success as a DC but is he a CEO, "command the room" type of guy? Has anyone ever heard him speak? There are plenty of great coordinators that don't have what it takes to be the head coach. It also always scares me when someone gets labeled as a genius.
more intriguing than McDaniels, but only because we know less about hi  
Victor in CT : 1/5/2018 3:17 pm : link
avoid both, McD more so. Comparison's to Handley background don't inspire confidence.
It's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/5/2018 3:19 pm : link
amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
The Patriots defense  
Jerry K : 1/5/2018 3:19 pm : link
was 5th best in the league this year in points allowed. Last year they were ranked #1.
yeah Eric, but I still think that's a good thing. The few times Steve  
Victor in CT : 1/5/2018 3:21 pm : link
Tisch has ever opened his mouth about the team or football generally it has been cringe worthy.
Give me the defensive guy!  
nzyme : 1/5/2018 3:21 pm : link
9 times out of 10 I'm going with the defensive guy. Hire an effective offensive coordinator and QB coach.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Which one's the  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13773885 Gatorade Dunk said:
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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"


You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.


Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.


We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
RE: It's  
JonC : 1/5/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13773915 Eric from BBI said:
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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.


I suspect it was Tisch that was the catalyst for booting McAdoo, at least.
RE: It's  
Josh in the City : 1/5/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13773915 Eric from BBI said:
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amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.


Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Which one's the  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/5/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13773930 Josh in the City said:
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doosh?


Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"


You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.


Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.



We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.

Ask around, Josh. See if you can get anyone that doesn't know how you whine about every single draft pick every year. Then you can get back to me about how I'm the troll.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13773906 GFAN52 said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.


Christ, can those numbers really be right?

35 points a game in during on season?
RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13773939 BillKo said:
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In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.



Christ, can those numbers really be right?

35 points a game in during on season?


I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.

That's about 20.
I was really under the impression that he was the heir to Billy B  
jlukes : 1/5/2018 3:33 pm : link
in New England. However now with all the drama going down, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill B nudges Patricia to get out while he can.
RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
YAJ2112 : 1/5/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.



Patriots points allowed/avg (rank in points allowed)
2017 - 296/18.5 (5)
2016 - 250/15.6 (1)
2015 - 315/19.7 (10)
2014 - 313/19.6 (8)
2013 - 338/21.1 (10)
2012 - 331/20.7 (9)
2011 - 342/21.4 (15)

No idea where you are getting your numbers from (likely your Midwest club scene connection), but no team is winning 10+ games giving up 35 points a game.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
christian : 1/5/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13773906 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13773882 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.


Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:

2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32
I understand the allure  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 3:34 pm : link
of Patriot assistants, and honestly, I can probably be talked into excitement over Patricia or McDaniels.

However, one fact remains constant. There is only one individual the Patriot dynasty has ever been without and that's Little Bill.

They have won without Weis, Crennel, O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels and Patricia. They even won 11 games without Tom Brady but I'll focus on the coaches specifically.

Who out of those names has done anything with Bill or the Pats in general?

Weis nothing
McDaniels nothing
Mangini showed promise before crashing and burning
Romeo had his moments in Cleveland
O'Brien has probably had the most success betwen PSU and Houston but even he has not accomplished anything substantial.

I think all of these guys are bright and know football. They would have to to be on Bill's staff. With most of them I worry more about the leadership/personality characteristics than I do the football stuff. Mangini and McDaniels were total disasters in that respect. Who knows about Patricia?

Out of the 2 I think I lean towards McDaniels because at least he's already had the crash and burn and maybe knowing his future coaching life depends on it, he learns from his past mistakes.
Yep I don't get the love for Patricia. Brady is the reason  
Blue21 : 1/5/2018 3:34 pm : link
this team wins. 28th in the league with an offense that stays on the field? That's horrible. Let him go to Arizona. He's going there anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up.  
BillKo : 1/5/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13773943 BillKo said:
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.

Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.

What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.

2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.

2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again

2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.

Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.

How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.





Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.



Christ, can those numbers really be right?

35 points a game in during on season?



I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.

That's about 20.


You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.

You were looking at points scored by NE lol
Patriot dynasty has *never* been without  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 3:36 pm : link
Sorry about that
*Without* Bill or the Pats  
Chris684 : 1/5/2018 3:36 pm : link
Damn it
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