He's done a great job without a ton of high end defensive talent. No clue if he's ready or capable of being HC though. Figure they're more intrigued by McDaniels, but then you've got the doosh factor to consider.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Short term pain, long term gain. He's about to make a lot more then he ever would've as a rocket scientist.
New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Same can be said for the offense though, right? Especially when its your franchise QB? It really doesn't matter who gets cut or who gets hurt on that team, they keep winning because of Belichick. Not saying Patricia will or will not be a good HC but...I just can't put much stock into things like this.
I guess when someone says he is "the smartest person in the room" Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Josh, in your OP, you say you "love this guy" and "fingers crossed". Now you are saying Wilks is the guy you want? Which is it?
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
He's obviously has had success as a DC but is he a CEO, "command the room" type of guy? Has anyone ever heard him speak? There are plenty of great coordinators that don't have what it takes to be the head coach. It also always scares me when someone gets labeled as a genius.
more intriguing than McDaniels, but only because we know less about hi Â
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
amazing at how divorced the Tisch family remains from this process.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Ask around, Josh. See if you can get anyone that doesn't know how you whine about every single draft pick every year. Then you can get back to me about how I'm the troll.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up. Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
RE: RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up. Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
I was really under the impression that he was the heir to Billy B Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
No idea where you are getting your numbers from (likely your Midwest club scene connection), but no team is winning 10+ games giving up 35 points a game.
RE: RE: There are facts that need to be brought up. Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
of Patriot assistants, and honestly, I can probably be talked into excitement over Patricia or McDaniels.
However, one fact remains constant. There is only one individual the Patriot dynasty has ever been without and that's Little Bill.
They have won without Weis, Crennel, O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels and Patricia. They even won 11 games without Tom Brady but I'll focus on the coaches specifically.
Who out of those names has done anything with Bill or the Pats in general?
Weis nothing
McDaniels nothing
Mangini showed promise before crashing and burning
Romeo had his moments in Cleveland
O'Brien has probably had the most success betwen PSU and Houston but even he has not accomplished anything substantial.
I think all of these guys are bright and know football. They would have to to be on Bill's staff. With most of them I worry more about the leadership/personality characteristics than I do the football stuff. Mangini and McDaniels were total disasters in that respect. Who knows about Patricia?
Out of the 2 I think I lean towards McDaniels because at least he's already had the crash and burn and maybe knowing his future coaching life depends on it, he learns from his past mistakes.
Yep I don't get the love for Patricia. Brady is the reason Â
The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
uggh.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
LMAO
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Link - ( New Window )
I still think they go with a retread
True...but if it was truly a deal breaker they wouldn't even bother interviewing him.
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would not mind him at all.
Turned down a 100k a year job in 1998 maintaining nuclear submarines to take the Amherst D Line job for 10k. Regardless of outcome, quite a rundown of a dream for him.
Well at least he we know he loves what he does, because that is the only reason you turn down 100k to for 10k.
Short term pain, long term gain. He's about to make a lot more then he ever would've as a rocket scientist.
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New players kept cycling in, and the Patriots kept winning, and Belichick seemed to have an epiphany. If he jettisoned players whose performance dipped, who were approaching a big payday, or who just didn’t fit his culture … Patricia could still take the remaining players and build a defense that would maintain a certain level of play. As Matt Light put it: “If [Patricia] can look at a rocket and figure out how the thrust is going to interact with the gravitational force, he can look at the opponent’s scheme and get fairly creative, right?”
Same can be said for the offense though, right? Especially when its your franchise QB? It really doesn't matter who gets cut or who gets hurt on that team, they keep winning because of Belichick. Not saying Patricia will or will not be a good HC but...I just can't put much stock into things like this.
Capable of card counting and banned from casinos too.......
Thing is, you'll never know unless you try.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
same for Wilks.
all we know is they have had some success in their respective positions in life and are supposedly able to "lead men" and "command the room".
sounds better than recycled old HC's who failed in their first gig, right?
uggh.
+1
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great point. If they are going for a DC I hope they select Wilks instead of Patricia. Wilks has the attitude and fire this team needs.
Josh, in your OP, you say you "love this guy" and "fingers crossed". Now you are saying Wilks is the guy you want? Which is it?
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
I suspect it was Tisch that was the catalyst for booting McAdoo, at least.
Eric, this is a good point. It's also interesting that they say Tisch will be involved "later in the process." Wonder how long this is expected to drag out being that these coordinators on bye can't interview again until after their teams are eliminated. With the Pats, that can be almost a month from now!
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doosh?
Josh, probably. You can pick whichever one you prefer between "in the City" and "McDaniels"
You really are the worst poster on this site (and that's saying something!). Incessant with the unprovoked personal attacks. Grow up dude.
Says the guy that throws 6-7 tantrums a year every April. Sure, I'll grow up.
We already proved how inaccurate this statement was in a previous thread. Keep whining and bitching like a toddler about other people's opinions...I'm done engaging with the troll.
Ask around, Josh. See if you can get anyone that doesn't know how you whine about every single draft pick every year. Then you can get back to me about how I'm the troll.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Patriots points allowed/avg (rank in points allowed)
2017 - 296/18.5 (5)
2016 - 250/15.6 (1)
2015 - 315/19.7 (10)
2014 - 313/19.6 (8)
2013 - 338/21.1 (10)
2012 - 331/20.7 (9)
2011 - 342/21.4 (15)
No idea where you are getting your numbers from (likely your Midwest club scene connection), but no team is winning 10+ games giving up 35 points a game.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Unless I am crazy PPG from both ESPN and PFR:
2012 - 20.7 PPG 9/32
2013 - 21.1 PPG 10/32
2014 - 19.6 PPG 8/32
2015 - 19.7 PPG 10/32
2016 - 15.6 PPG 1/32
2017 - 18.5 PPG 5/32
However, one fact remains constant. There is only one individual the Patriot dynasty has ever been without and that's Little Bill.
They have won without Weis, Crennel, O'Brien, Mangini, McDaniels and Patricia. They even won 11 games without Tom Brady but I'll focus on the coaches specifically.
Who out of those names has done anything with Bill or the Pats in general?
Weis nothing
McDaniels nothing
Mangini showed promise before crashing and burning
Romeo had his moments in Cleveland
O'Brien has probably had the most success betwen PSU and Houston but even he has not accomplished anything substantial.
I think all of these guys are bright and know football. They would have to to be on Bill's staff. With most of them I worry more about the leadership/personality characteristics than I do the football stuff. Mangini and McDaniels were total disasters in that respect. Who knows about Patricia?
Out of the 2 I think I lean towards McDaniels because at least he's already had the crash and burn and maybe knowing his future coaching life depends on it, he learns from his past mistakes.
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The New England Defense finished 28th in the league this year. Guess which other Blue, Red and White team finished 29th? Actually the stats are eerily similar between the 2017 Giants and the 2017 Pats.
Alright so maybe 2017 was an aberration. Maybe some key guys got hurt or something. Lets look to 2016. Pats were ranked....28th again in total defense and 29th in points per game with 27 and change.
What about 2015? They were better right? YES! They finished 26th in 2015. They also gave up 29 points per game.
2014? 21st in the league again giving up 29+ ppg.
2013? 24th in the league - 27+ ppg again
2012 (his first year?) - 32nd - that's right- WORST in the league- 35 ppg. THIRTY FIVE POINTS PER GAME.
Baasically- what I am telling you is that New England's defense with Matt Patricia at the helm has been statistically probably the 3rd or 4th worst defensive unit in the league. This WITH supposedly with one of the greatest defensive mind in NFL history looking over his shoulder.
How can you rationally argue that this is a "must have guy" based on his results, unless you just think anyone from the Pats staff is automatically fantastic, and if that was the case just hire Romeo Crenell. At least the NE defense was good back then when he was running the show.
Great post. I didn't realize they were statistically close (bad) as the Giants.
Christ, can those numbers really be right?
35 points a game in during on season?
I just looked up 2012. Gave up 331 points.
That's about 20.
You need to go in a different direction....ain't working.
You were looking at points scored by NE lol