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Ronald Jones II is an absolute monster and his decision to turn pro adds more star power to perhaps the best running back class in 20-plus years:
Jones
Derrius Guice
Bryce Love
Nick Chubb
Sony Michel
Josh Adams
Royce Freeman
Akrum Wadley
Myles Gaskin
Kerryon Johnson
Rashad Penny
I'm aware. My point was is this tweet an argument against Barkley at 2. The class being SO strong that Barkley would be a poor use of the #2 pick. How much better is Barkley than a guy who might be there at 34 (I'm asking honestly, not rhetorically).
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even mention Barkley.
I'm aware. My point was is this tweet an argument against Barkley at 2. The class being SO strong that Barkley would be a poor use of the #2 pick. How much better is Barkley than a guy who might be there at 34 (I'm asking honestly, not rhetorically).
I understood your point. I think the fact that he forgot Barkley in his list of top RBs in the draft is pretty funny.
If you think there's a HOF QB and a HOF RB available when you pick, take the QB.
If you think Barkley is a solid NFL starter, a guy who might make the Pro Bowl a couple of times, well, you can get a guy like that later in the draft.
Nobody question his explosivness in the open field. But will he be the next Reggie Bush?
Not saying I agree but that is the concern I have heard voiced.
Nobody question his explosivness in the open field. But will he be the next Reggie Bush?
Not saying I agree but that is the concern I have heard voiced.
Far too powerful a runner to be the next Reggie Bush. However, it's a legitimate argument that with all the positional talent, you can probably wait and get another guy...but you also have to understand, just because you can get a really good player later, it's often ELITE, special players that win games for you in the NFL.
If you want to get that true difference-maker, sometimes the "let's wait a round or two approach" doesn't get you the guy that would've really improved your team.
I really like Ronald Jones II. He's not the physical specimen of Barkley, but he is special with the ball in his hands, really phenomenal lateral agility and speed.
What I saw was a guy with a lot of speed who is great in the open field. What I did not see enough of was his ability to pickup tough yards between the tackles.
So, to me he seemed to fit in the NFL as more of a change of pace guy and even a third down back. Maybe I am wrong.
Another think to look at is some of the interior offensive lineman at 34 overall. There will be some guys there that I am excited about. I think Gettleman made it simple, we are looking at a offensive lineman, defensive lineman, or quarterback at 2.
Imagine grabbing our QB of the future, having Eli and Webb, a stud interior guard (Price, Hernandez), and a defensive line or running back in the 3rd? It would remind me of 2004, where they grabbed Eli then Snee! Even more, if they think Webb is the guy, which he very much could be with some good coaching, and grabbing an impact defensive player at 2, and then a guard and running back. Sign me up. This draft is deep in my opinion, and have the 2nd overall is a good thing.
But I'm not an expert. I just want somebody great, at some position. More OBJs, please.
But I'm not an expert. I just want somebody great, at some position. More OBJs, please.
It’s a fair comparison. Plus, Barkley is a stud blocker in pass protection.
But, like nearly every year, there are quality RBs all across the college landscape. It’s one of the most commoditized position in the NFL. So using a #2 pick essentially wastes a draft pick...
I look at it this way, there are 3 to 5 players voted into the HOF each year. IF the HOF talent was equally distributed by draft year (which it isn’t) and if you could know beforehand which 3 to 5 players from that year were the HOFers (which you can’t), you pick them with the top 3 to 5 overall pics.
With the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 draft, the Giants should be looking for a future HOF player almost regardless of the position they play.
That could be a QB, RB, CB, DE. Would you take a future HOF guard with the number 2 pick? IF I knew I was getting Larry Allen 2.0, I’m running to the podium to draft a guard IF the QBs, RBs, DEs are all not future HOFers.
Obviously a stellar, but not guaranteed HOF QB may be the better pick over a potential HOF guard.
What I saw was a guy with a lot of speed who is great in the open field. What I did not see enough of was his ability to pickup tough yards between the tackles.
So, to me he seemed to fit in the NFL as more of a change of pace guy and even a third down back. Maybe I am wrong.
You might want to watch some more videos. Yes, he isn't your typical short yardage runner because he iis only like 200 pounds but he totally changed his game up this year and forced a ton of missed tackles. Imo, USC did not use him right at all. He catches the ball effortlessly but he was barely used in the pass game. Imo, he is just like Kamara. Guice is like Elliott. The problem is both of these guys are almost definitely going in the first round so you cannot wait on them. Love has the speed but his size is worrisome. Penny is intriguing. Great size, speed, and production. He seems a little stiffer than the others but that could just be my limited knowledge of him. Yes, there are some great backs in this draft but you cannot just wait and wait. Just because a draft is deep at a certain position doesn't mean you wait to take a player at a certain position because someone might be there later.
How many of those guys rank higher than Barkley did in yardage after contact?
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I will state up front that all I did was watch his last two years highlights on youtube. So, no film study or anything like that.
What I saw was a guy with a lot of speed who is great in the open field. What I did not see enough of was his ability to pickup tough yards between the tackles.
So, to me he seemed to fit in the NFL as more of a change of pace guy and even a third down back. Maybe I am wrong.
You might want to watch some more videos. Yes, he isn't your typical short yardage runner because he iis only like 200 pounds but he totally changed his game up this year and forced a ton of missed tackles. Imo, USC did not use him right at all. He catches the ball effortlessly but he was barely used in the pass game. Imo, he is just like Kamara. Guice is like Elliott. The problem is both of these guys are almost definitely going in the first round so you cannot wait on them. Love has the speed but his size is worrisome. Penny is intriguing. Great size, speed, and production. He seems a little stiffer than the others but that could just be my limited knowledge of him. Yes, there are some great backs in this draft but you cannot just wait and wait. Just because a draft is deep at a certain position doesn't mean you wait to take a player at a certain position because someone might be there later.
I doubt it. The teams in the market for a RB are in the top 10 — everyone but the Bears. Outside of that maybe the Lions at 20. Barkley and Guice are probably safe bets for the 1st round but wouldn’t be surprised if Guice slid to the top part of the 2nd.
If the Giants want one of these guys I think one or two will be available at their 3rd round pick.
Haha the guy had the most yards after contact last season some people on here are a compelte joke
Either that or we can roll with Darkwa & Gallman who have definitely flashed. Could be solid starters with a good OL.
Nobody question his explosivness in the open field. But will he be the next Reggie Bush?
Not saying I agree but that is the concern I have heard voiced.
Christian McCaffrey. Same type.
Wow! By leapfrogging...do you mean a top ten round 1 selection for Jones?
Most NFL Level Starting QB's and especially Stars are Drafted at the top of the draft--- Star RB's as disbursed more throughout the Draft. If you have the QB, you can format the team in a Variety of Ways.
I think it's easy to find a direct correlation between Great QB's and Championships---Multiple Championships. That's not even close to debatable...especially over the past 20 years. It's very much driven by the structure of the modern game.
I wouldn't measure reaching for a QB who fails against the high floor or a great running back like SB.... but the QB is the First Spike to drive
If your scouts believe SB is Tomlinson, Falk, or Petersen - you take him in an instant.
My own belief is that Rosen, Darnold, Allen have substantial bust potential and that none of them is sure thing.
LT-Will Fries RS-Freshman 4*
LG-Steve Gonzales RS-Soph 4*
OC-Connor McGovern Soph. 4*
RG-Brendan Mahon RS-Senior 4*
RT-Chaz Wright RS-Junior. 4*
Three guys from NJ, all 4* recruits coming out of high school. Barkley's ability is quite good with an inexperienced OL...whereas other backs in the Draft have many more upperclassmen...then again Penn State's opponents weren't that great (sic).
Barkley cannot be compared to others in this class. Running, catching and blocking...the guy is an immediate impact player AND he is a Jr., so his legs are going to have one less season of wear & tear. Hell, we don't even know how good Webb is or isn't...and we've seen how good the USC, UCLA and OK products did in big games over New Year's. JS...
I look at it this way, there are 3 to 5 players voted into the HOF each year. IF the HOF talent was equally distributed by draft year (which it isn’t) and if you could know beforehand which 3 to 5 players from that year were the HOFers (which you can’t), you pick them with the top 3 to 5 overall pics.
With the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 draft, the Giants should be looking for a future HOF player almost regardless of the position they play.
That could be a QB, RB, CB, DE. Would you take a future HOF guard with the number 2 pick? IF I knew I was getting Larry Allen 2.0, I’m running to the podium to draft a guard IF the QBs, RBs, DEs are all not future HOFers.
Obviously a stellar, but not guaranteed HOF QB may be the better pick over a potential HOF guard.