So like many I'm intrigued by the guy. But I can't get past his low completion %. Can someone who watches more college football than me explain the issue? Is it his mechanics or more of a problem of having a bad team around him? Something else?
Allen has the body type of a younger Roethlisberger- who used to put up a few hundred yards of rushing each season- the improvisational instincts of Favre- along with a similar howitzer attached to his right shoulder- and the running style of Newton- who is clearly more athletic. Obviously the question remains, does Allen also compare to Hackenburg with regards to accuracy.
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...the guy just isn't that bright? What would you put as the over-under on his Wonderlic score?
I’m curious to know what leads you to believe that he’s not very intelligent...and not in a snarky way. I’ve wondered myself, as he comes off very “folksy” in interviews but then again he’s a farm boy from the middle of Nowhere, CA.
As for the wonderlic, I’ll be interested. Some scores to note: Eli (39), Roethlisberger (25), Webb (25), Cam (21), Deshaun Watson (20).
It's based on a few little things, but nothing concrete, so it's mostly just a hunch of mine. But here goes...
1. It's the easiest way to explain why such a physically gifted player would have such little success in a weak conference.
2. It also may be a reason he received no interest from higher level football schools.
3. If you can judge a man's intelligence by his facial expressions (and I'm not saying you can), he has that dull-eyed look of a person who doesn't have too much going on behind his eyes.
4. Scouting reports have criticized his decision-making. Here's a blurb from Boylhart...
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My biggest concern in profiling Josh is he plays dumb at inopportune times of games. He doesn’t throw the ball away, tries to do too much and loses site of down and distance situations. His production was down this year and the ability for him to impact against tough competition is questionable. Most of this was because he just wasn’t playing smart football. His accuracy stats are not where most teams would like to see them but that can attributed to two issues, lack of talent to throw to and the fact he throws a hard ball in some very cold weather situations. I’m not saying that he is not the smartest tool in the shed, but I am saying that under pressure and with a less that stellar support system that Josh does not play smart. His talent is franchise like but his play on the field at times can be more… backup quarterback like.
Am I being unfair? Of course. I never met the guy, never had a conversation with him. But it's my "suspicion" and this is just an internet bulletin board, so no harm, no foul.
And how did Josh Allen fare against Central Michigan, which entered their bowl game with one of the top passing defenses in all of college football?
11 of 19 for 154 yards? Excuse me if I don’t crack the champagne. He played pretty well, but that is part of the problem, he’s terribly inconsistent. Hawaii had the 113th ranked defense, and he stunk up the joint. That means something.
He’s got undeniable talent, don’t get me wrong, but he is a project. I don’t want a project at #2, or anywhere in the top 10.
And how did Josh Allen fare against Central Michigan, which entered their bowl game with one of the top passing defenses in all of college football?
11 of 19 for 154 yards? Excuse me if I don’t crack the champagne. He played pretty well, but that is part of the problem, he’s terribly inconsistent. Hawaii had the 113th ranked defense, and he stunk up the joint. That means something.
He’s got undeniable talent, don’t get me wrong, but he is a project. I don’t want a project at #2, or anywhere in the top 10.
And therein lays the issue- boxscores do not do justice in many instances. If you watched Allen play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and did not come out impressed, then I'm not sure what to say. Allen dominated the first quarter, led the Cowboys to an insurmountable lead, and then Craig Bohl rightly turtled the offense to sit on the lead. IIRC, there were also a couple of drops and a couple of throw aways, of which +5% of his completion rate is sheared off in each instance. Allen's boxscore was pedestrian but his play was outstanding.
That was not a unique to just the bowl game; while Allen wasn't dime dropping three TD's every game he was routinely being victimized by drops (most drops in ncaa if I recall) and throwing the ball away due to a porous line....not to mention a lack of receiver separation and zero running game (top RB was a freshman LB to begin the year). Hell, if Josh wanted to pump up his stats he could surely become a Captain Checkdown or take sacks in the wake of each pressure.
Eli's completlion percentage this past season exceeded that of his 2011 season. I don't think anyone would claim that his level of performance reflected that.
As it relates to the Hawaii, it was a poor game. That being said he got the W and its hard not to salivate when he flashes Prodigy Allen FTW - ( New Window )
Allen seems way too risky for my liking @ 2nd overall.
Everyone knows I am firmly on the Lamar Jackson bandwagon, but I wouldn't take him 2nd overall, either - simply because I think we'd be able to move back into the tail end of the first to get him after taking a better bet @ 2.
And playing in the MAC before internet video was really a thing. Keep grinding that film bro...
You're right. Before internet video you had to physically be in attendance to watch a nationally ranked team play.
I have to admit I'm wondering if you're finally going to wave the white flag on this or double down on the impossibility of witnessing a nationally ranked team wayyyyy back in 2003.
I m one of the quarterback guys, but never claimed to KNOW anyone is the guy.
What I do know is that picking second in the draft gives them a better chance of getting "the guy" then they ve had in a long time, and probably for a long time to come.
Completion % is a moveablke stats. If you're comparing Accuracy, you need to get to very specific throws and make a judgement---it doesn't come screaming off a stat sheet
Thank you. And Allen was running for his life with an OL that was completely outclassed by its competition.
Saw this on Twitter, thought it was interesting. Â
He is head and shoulders the best total package, best arm, biggest and most complete athlete out of all the QB's in the draft. Once they see him run a 40, and see his arm in person, not even close he will go #1. He is a man among boys. The completion percentage is totally overrated. In a NFL system with NFL talent this kid will be amazing.
RE: Saw this on Twitter, thought it was interesting. Â
As for the wonderlic, I’ll be interested. Some scores to note: Eli (39), Roethlisberger (25), Webb (25), Cam (21), Deshaun Watson (20).
1. It's the easiest way to explain why such a physically gifted player would have such little success in a weak conference.
2. It also may be a reason he received no interest from higher level football schools.
3. If you can judge a man's intelligence by his facial expressions (and I'm not saying you can), he has that dull-eyed look of a person who doesn't have too much going on behind his eyes.
4. Scouting reports have criticized his decision-making. Here's a blurb from Boylhart...
Am I being unfair? Of course. I never met the guy, never had a conversation with him. But it's my "suspicion" and this is just an internet bulletin board, so no harm, no foul.
11 of 19 for 154 yards? Excuse me if I don’t crack the champagne. He played pretty well, but that is part of the problem, he’s terribly inconsistent. Hawaii had the 113th ranked defense, and he stunk up the joint. That means something.
He’s got undeniable talent, don’t get me wrong, but he is a project. I don’t want a project at #2, or anywhere in the top 10.
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And how did Josh Allen fare against Central Michigan, which entered their bowl game with one of the top passing defenses in all of college football?
11 of 19 for 154 yards? Excuse me if I don’t crack the champagne. He played pretty well, but that is part of the problem, he’s terribly inconsistent. Hawaii had the 113th ranked defense, and he stunk up the joint. That means something.
He’s got undeniable talent, don’t get me wrong, but he is a project. I don’t want a project at #2, or anywhere in the top 10.
That was not a unique to just the bowl game; while Allen wasn't dime dropping three TD's every game he was routinely being victimized by drops (most drops in ncaa if I recall) and throwing the ball away due to a porous line....not to mention a lack of receiver separation and zero running game (top RB was a freshman LB to begin the year). Hell, if Josh wanted to pump up his stats he could surely become a Captain Checkdown or take sacks in the wake of each pressure.
Eli's completlion percentage this past season exceeded that of his 2011 season. I don't think anyone would claim that his level of performance reflected that.
As it relates to the Hawaii, it was a poor game. That being said he got the W and its hard not to salivate when he flashes
Prodigy Allen FTW - ( New Window )
Everyone knows I am firmly on the Lamar Jackson bandwagon, but I wouldn't take him 2nd overall, either - simply because I think we'd be able to move back into the tail end of the first to get him after taking a better bet @ 2.
You're right. Before internet video you had to physically be in attendance to watch a nationally ranked team play.
I have to admit I'm wondering if you're finally going to wave the white flag on this or double down on the impossibility of witnessing a nationally ranked team wayyyyy back in 2003.
What I do know is that picking second in the draft gives them a better chance of getting "the guy" then they ve had in a long time, and probably for a long time to come.
Thank you. And Allen was running for his life with an OL that was completely outclassed by its competition.
1. Baker Mayfield 84.1% (best in NCAA)
2. Josh Rosen 77.9%
3. Lamar Jackson 77.6%
4. Sam Darnold 74.1%
5. Josh Allen 70.8% (92nd out of 100)
NCAA AVG: 76.0%
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Season-long, top draft QBs, % of aimed passes deemed catchable (min 200 atts)
1. Baker Mayfield 84.1% (best in NCAA)
2. Josh Rosen 77.9%
3. Lamar Jackson 77.6%
4. Sam Darnold 74.1%
5. Josh Allen 70.8% (92nd out of 100)
NCAA AVG: 76.0%
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Definitely an interesting stat. IMO, if Mayfield was 6'3", he'd be the no doubt #1 pick in the draft, even with the character questions.