Does anyone know what Bill's contract actually IS?
Arc, it's a complete mystery.
That's what I'm getting at - since no one knows the actual details of his contract, it's impossible to really speculate on what it would take to get him out of it.
He probably wrote the damn thing himself and had Kraft sign the dotted line.
Gary Myers says Kraft always has him under contract. So compensation would definitely be required.
Belichick, like most coaches, doesn’t enter the final year of his contract. It hurts recruiting free agents and it takes away some of their authority if the players believe the coach is a lame duck. In this case, I’ve heard Kraft specifically won’t allow Belichick to enter the final year because he’s been concerned he would go to the Giants.
Who cares what Gary Myers says? He doesn't know any more than any of us do about what Bill's contract entails or what basis they're signed on.
You've "heard" that Kraft won't allow Belichick to enter the final year of his deal where, exactly? You'll have to put an actual source behind a statement like that otherwise it carries no weight.
Thats Myer's "heard" statement not me. But it makes sense if you're an owner that you would want contra t protection for your coach so he can't just leave whenever the desire meets him.
In most cases, yes - but Belichick is a different animal. It's hard to assume anything typical or ordinary when it comes to him. He wields more power than any other HC on the planet.
I would guess that in order to get him here, we'd have to send back draft picks - but there's no way for any of us to know anything for sure if we have zero knowledge of his contract.
Belichick is family, and coaching the Giants is the perfect ending for him. It's his dream job. Brady's 40, and Garappolo is gone - it's time to bring his great career full circle.
This man's Super Bowl XXV gameplan is on display in Canton for God's sake - bring him home!
would be awesome, but as of right now, it is nothing but a pipe dream that has been manifested by a speculative article written by the fake news media ESPN.
And also, 2 first rounders is quite a steep price to pay for a 65 year old coach. I realize its been done before, but Gruden was in his 30's. This is Belichick though so if there is any 65 year old coach who was worth it, it'd be him.
And also, there is a 0% chance the Giants fire Gettleman. That would look bad for the organization.
And I swear I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking it’s weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
And I swear I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking it’s weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
i think the Pats are now in an untenable situation - Bill has been undermined by the TB12 program if nothing else.
And I swear I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking it’s weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.
BB has always been a sneaky bastid who thinks he can get away with a lot of shit. From cheating on his ex-wife to screwing the Jets to the practice taping & ball deflating. He's never had a "Come to Jesus" moment either as far as I know.
And I swear I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking it’s weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.
That's correct. The Patriots were off from practice today, but asked teams interview there.
That’s tampering and the Giants would probably have to give up draft picks just for that alone. I’m sure it’s speculative. This is the one job he’s always wanted and he may see the opportunity right now. Perhaps he’s made it known to those confidants that he would consider a job there if he could work out a release from the Patriots.
That would be a hell of a dilemma for the Giants and I’m not so sure they would want to wait until after the Pats are out of the playoffs or finish another Super Bowl?!
Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...
Bill Belichick knows there is a job opening and I think he can safely assume that if he were to leave the Patriots there isn't a team in college or the NFL who wouldn't be interested. All he needs to do is have his agent make a call to Mara and say, "Do yourself a favor and put off making a coaching decision for the next couple of weeks (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean)."
Without any of knowing Belichick's contract status, nobody can say whether or not it would require a trade or not to get it done. If it does require a trade, the #2 overall will not be part of it. At most, I can see the Giants giving up this year's second or third round pick and next year's 1st round pick. The Giants will need the 2nd overall pick to select Josh Rosen!
1) Giants uncharacteristically fire their HC and GM midseason;
2) News breaks that BB, TB and BK relationship has fractured;
3) NYG new GM and owner drive up to Foxboro in a blizzard to meet with with Patriot coordinators;
I think there's something brewing here. I'm not sure about contract terms, but would we have to pay any compensation to the Patriots if Bill Belichick is promoted, say - Executive VP of Football Operations.
Unless there's any escape language in BB's contract Â
You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.
but maybe the relationship in Foxboro is severely fractured. Maybe the Giants brass drove to Foxboro to meet with Belichick or maybe they went to meet with Kraft.
Driving up to meet with two coordinators is very strange in my view. Going for a "business meeting" between front offices makes a lot more logical sense for such a trip.
But again, it is all speculation. There does seem to be a lot of smoke.
It's not strange to have to go meet with these HC targets Â
You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.
The Patriots would demand nothing less than the #2 overall pick.
Is a team not allowed to interview another team's head coach during playoffs?
It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.
Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?
RE: It's not strange to have to go meet with these HC targets Â
They are preparing for a playoff game and have a narrow window of time to speak to them before the cutoff.
Correct. That and the fact that the coordinators are meeting with multiple teams so makes much more sense for the teams to come to NE than have them travel all over the place. I'm sure they insisted.
Is a team not allowed to interview another team's head coach during playoffs?
It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.
Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?
How could they interview another teams Head Coach? It’s not a promotion?!
Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...
Why am I doing this to myself.
Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.
RE: Unless there's any escape language in BB's contract Â
You'd have to get the Patriots to either agree to release him or agree on compensation. There's no allowance for dangling a title and calling it a promotion.
Is he even under contract beyond this year? I was under the impression he signed one year deals. They only need to compensate if he's under contract, else he can go wherever the hell he wants.
Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...
Why am I doing this to myself.
Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.
if he had an out in his contract sure, but if not, you're looking at considerable compensation.
That Gettleman and Belichick can not co-exist on the same team. Only one man can have control. BB is more than a coach in NE...he would not be happy just being the coach here. Whoever Gettleman hires will be the head coach and not more than that.
Yes because draft picks always result in super bowls. What's Belichick ever done?
Nobody ever got to a super bowl with no players. We think Belichick has been doing all his winning with 3-win rosters? He's 65 years old. He's not skipping out on everything he built to take over a three-win team coming off six years of unproductive drafts. Why would a man who has done all that winning quit at the first sign of adversity to come to this?
To get him in the first place? How many did the Jets give up to get Parcells?
They both managed to put together rosters despite losing a few picks. Belichick won the SB in his 2nd year. Parcells went 12-4, won division and got to conference title in his 2nd year.
Than the Jets had when Jets traded for the Tuna. I don't know about Patris roster before they traded for BB, but believe they were 8-8. Yes, we're 3-13, but a lot of people thought roster was playoff caliber before season.
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Does anyone know what Bill's contract actually IS?
Arc, it's a complete mystery.
That's what I'm getting at - since no one knows the actual details of his contract, it's impossible to really speculate on what it would take to get him out of it.
He probably wrote the damn thing himself and had Kraft sign the dotted line.
Gary Myers says Kraft always has him under contract. So compensation would definitely be required.
Belichick, like most coaches, doesn’t enter the final year of his contract. It hurts recruiting free agents and it takes away some of their authority if the players believe the coach is a lame duck. In this case, I’ve heard Kraft specifically won’t allow Belichick to enter the final year because he’s been concerned he would go to the Giants.
Who cares what Gary Myers says? He doesn't know any more than any of us do about what Bill's contract entails or what basis they're signed on.
You've "heard" that Kraft won't allow Belichick to enter the final year of his deal where, exactly? You'll have to put an actual source behind a statement like that otherwise it carries no weight.
Thats Myer's "heard" statement not me. But it makes sense if you're an owner that you would want contra t protection for your coach so he can't just leave whenever the desire meets him.
I would guess that in order to get him here, we'd have to send back draft picks - but there's no way for any of us to know anything for sure if we have zero knowledge of his contract.
This is all fantasy-land stuff, anyway.
This man's Super Bowl XXV gameplan is on display in Canton for God's sake - bring him home!
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1) Fire Gettleman
2) Second overall to New England
3) Hire BB as GM, HC. Heck, make him part owner too.
3 steps
1) Delete your account
2) Never Post again
3) Commit yourself to a mental institution
lol... right
What happens then. What would you do if you were Kraft and Bill just said I'm not signing that?
This has nothing to do with Ernie Accorsi.
Im to lazy to look up the rules
And also, 2 first rounders is quite a steep price to pay for a 65 year old coach. I realize its been done before, but Gruden was in his 30's. This is Belichick though so if there is any 65 year old coach who was worth it, it'd be him.
And also, there is a 0% chance the Giants fire Gettleman. That would look bad for the organization.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
i think the Pats are now in an untenable situation - Bill has been undermined by the TB12 program if nothing else.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.
"The bullshit is piling up so fast, you need wings to stay above it."
Whatever he does really won't surprise me.
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And I swear I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the past few days I have been thinking it’s weird that Mara, DG and Abrams all packed up and went to Foxboro to conduct the HC interviews.
Now I understand, 2 coordinators, same team, bad weather. But still, why couldn’t those guys get down to Giants HQ?
Is it possible that with all this news breaking and the Patriots knowing everything has been fractured internally anyway, that BB is the real reason the Giants went up there today?
I think you're reading way too much into that bit - the Bears interviewed him there too.
That's correct. The Patriots were off from practice today, but asked teams interview there.
Exactly. Which is where my doubts rise..
Does Mara have the balls? I know Tisch does, but does Mara?
We will see... he's gotta do some colluding or something you know Bellicheck would talk if he's interested ...
Make the call Mr Mara
If the Giants don't have a HC hired by next week the odds only go up that Mara or Tisch has contacted Bb and it's on.
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the Giants have to make it happen.
Exactly. Which is where my doubts rise..
Does Mara have the balls? I know Tisch does, but does Mara?
We will see... he's gotta do some colluding or something you know Bellicheck would talk if he's interested ...
Make the call Mr Mara
If the Giants don't have a HC hired by next week the odds only go up that Mara or Tisch has contacted Bb and it's on.
You can't even spell the guy's name correctly. What makes your take even remotely fucking relevant, racist?
LOL
Doubt it's a reality but I think it's possible
That would be a hell of a dilemma for the Giants and I’m not so sure they would want to wait until after the Pats are out of the playoffs or finish another Super Bowl?!
Why am I doing this to myself.
Without any of knowing Belichick's contract status, nobody can say whether or not it would require a trade or not to get it done. If it does require a trade, the #2 overall will not be part of it. At most, I can see the Giants giving up this year's second or third round pick and next year's 1st round pick. The Giants will need the 2nd overall pick to select Josh Rosen!
1) Giants uncharacteristically fire their HC and GM midseason;
2) News breaks that BB, TB and BK relationship has fractured;
3) NYG new GM and owner drive up to Foxboro in a blizzard to meet with with Patriot coordinators;
I think there's something brewing here. I'm not sure about contract terms, but would we have to pay any compensation to the Patriots if Bill Belichick is promoted, say - Executive VP of Football Operations.
Driving up to meet with two coordinators is very strange in my view. Going for a "business meeting" between front offices makes a lot more logical sense for such a trip.
But again, it is all speculation. There does seem to be a lot of smoke.
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The Patriots would demand nothing less than the #2 overall pick.
It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.
Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?
It's odd to me that NYG are permitted to interview assistant coaches (Patricia, Mcdaniels) during playoffs, but would be prohibited from interviewing a head coach.
Also, wouldn't Kraft have to agree to permit NYG to interview Belichick?
How could they interview another teams Head Coach? It’s not a promotion?!
Why am I doing this to myself.
Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.
Is he even under contract beyond this year? I was under the impression he signed one year deals. They only need to compensate if he's under contract, else he can go wherever the hell he wants.
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Belichick has language in his contract that says he can bail out any time he wants...if Brady really did win a power struggle with the whole jimmy g thing, and it looks like that in fact did happen, belichick might truly be done with kraft and Brady. We know he loves the Giants. There's enough there to believe just a little bit...
Why am I doing this to myself.
Then he could ride his unicorn to East Rutherford.
if he had an out in his contract sure, but if not, you're looking at considerable compensation.
Yes because draft picks always result in super bowls. What's Belichick ever done?
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would be required. Forget that. IMO
Yes because draft picks always result in super bowls. What's Belichick ever done?
Nobody ever got to a super bowl with no players. We think Belichick has been doing all his winning with 3-win rosters? He's 65 years old. He's not skipping out on everything he built to take over a three-win team coming off six years of unproductive drafts. Why would a man who has done all that winning quit at the first sign of adversity to come to this?
We don't even know if He is under contract.
What language am I speaking?
They both managed to put together rosters despite losing a few picks. Belichick won the SB in his 2nd year. Parcells went 12-4, won division and got to conference title in his 2nd year.
Great coaches are worth some picks.