He is not a free agent coach. New England will want compensation. What would you give up? Would you give up the number 2 pick in the draft? Or would you be ok with the Giants swapping picks woth the Patriots?
me a moment's pause on giving us the #2 pick in the draft is how long BB would actually coach. Parting with that pick for only four years makes it a tough call.
Outside of that, there is not a player in this draft that I think can impact this team in a positive way like have BB at the helm. The things he's been able to do with "ordinary" talent in many spots is amazing.
But overall, I'm not sold on the QBs as much as some so to me getting BB as head coach is probably worth the #2, certainly worth swapping.
The only way it is happening though is if BB forces the situation and effectively tells Kraft he is not coaching the Pats next year one way or the other.
But if bill wants to coach for 10 more years for the giants, you gotta do what it takes to get him. The man hasn't coached a team that finished less than 9-7 since the year 2000. That's just fucking insane. Playoffs every year except two since the year 2000.
He's not gonna coach until he's 75. That would be ten years. Â
Belichick won 5 Super Bowls (maybe 6) for this prick. If he wants to leave, he should be able to go free and clear. Since we're nice guys, I'd be generous and offer the 34th pick overall.
If we get Belichick I want Minka Fitzpatrick if we keep the #2 pick Â
did for the Patriots has any bearing on anything, it is all for the go forward. The only way Bill is leaving the Pats is if things are fractured behind closed doors. Kraft would have to want Bill to leave so he can hire McDaniels before he walks.
I have to say, speculating on this situation pisses me off to no end at Parcells again for what he did to the Giants and the way he left. His exit left the Giants high and dry in such a poor way.
I thought it was Young who really pushed Parcells out. Â
If Little Bills contract specifies that he has control over the roster and/or final decisions on football matters....
BREACH OF CONTRACT could be invoked. This is exactly the type of loophole He lives for. Consider the wide speculation that Bill, himself, is complicit in this report, he is paving his own way.
If Belly is that pissed he will burn that place to the ground. He will take whatever staff he wants. Anyone that doesn't go with him will be dead to him.
And for the draft a QB crowd, prepare for heartbreak. He will deal away for more picks. Ride with Eli and develop a mid round QB.
would put it in writing that their head coach has full control and final say over football decisions.
That's essentially promoting a coach over an owner. I don't believe it exists anywhere. Kraft isn't a moron. He's the same guy who pushed Bill Parcells out the door because he didn't want to give him full control of anything.
If they don't, Bill will consider it an act of disloyalty. I believe McD and Patricia will get other jobs first. If they don't he will take them to NY.
Scorched earth.
I feel he is that kind of guy. Cross him once and you are dead to him.
are routinely negotiated and put into contracts with GM's and/or coaches. It's fairly standard to delegate and divide those things and put them in writing
...of letting Belichick out of his contract without a fight, I think Mara and Kraft can work it out in a way that both consider fair. And it won't include the second overall pick (I say that with 99% certainty). More likely it would be this year's second or third round pick and next year's first round pick.
p.s.--Maybe we'll get lucky and they include Ereck Flowers in the trade!
He's still more innovative and creative than coaches 20 years younger. And do you really see him going anywhere for another decade? His cold robot brain is worth more than any team will demand in compensation.
The whole thing is a pipe dream but the cost should be an afterthought.
RE: Final Roster decisions/ football decisions / 53 man/ game day inactive Â
are routinely negotiated and put into contracts with GM's and/or coaches. It's fairly standard to delegate and divide those things and put them in writing
For me to believe that that is the case, that would mean that you could have a situation where a Coach or GM wants to spend a big contract on an acquisition and does so without having to go through upper management. But we know that's certainly not true. Not even Tom Coughlin had the authority to do whatever he wanted with the roster. Because that would cut the team owner out of it, and why would they ever give up power to be in charge of their property?
RE: I thought it was Young who really pushed Parcells out. Â
I don't recall exactly but I seem to remember Parcells saying he was going to stay when it was uncertain and then because Parcells he was going to stay, Belichik interviewed and took the head coaching job in Cleveland. And then later Parcells said he was not going to coach and well we know who we got as coach. Epic disaster. There was a back story with Young though you are right and I think Young had no interest in Belichick being coach.
RE: RE: Final Roster decisions/ football decisions / 53 man/ game day inactive Â
are routinely negotiated and put into contracts with GM's and/or coaches. It's fairly standard to delegate and divide those things and put them in writing
For me to believe that that is the case, that would mean that you could have a situation where a Coach or GM wants to spend a big contract on an acquisition and does so without having to go through upper management. But we know that's certainly not true. Not even Tom Coughlin had the authority to do whatever he wanted with the roster. Because that would cut the team owner out of it, and why would they ever give up power to be in charge of their property?
You can google around and check it out. It is often a negotiated point in the GM or coaches contract. For instance, Gruden has certainly negotioated what power he has in that he has final say oakland. in the draft, roster construction. There may be a provision when it comes to giving out contracts that needs the owners approval, but there may not to. I could be a budget that is given to them. Most of these things are collaborative, but there has to be a final decision maker on football matters.
This is a snippet from the football post, but poke around the webs.
Who has the final decision on the roster?
Every NFL club has one and only one person with control over the 53-man roster. In essence, regardless of title, the person who holds this designation is the man who runs the club. In most cases, it is either the general manager or the head coach. It can’t be both.
Depending on who that person is, there can be a difference in philosophy. If it’s the head coach, the thought process is often on today. What I mean by that is coaches have to win in order to retain their jobs. If the coach has the final say on the roster, he is almost always going to choose players who are going to help him win today, not tomorrow. If he doesn’t win, there is no tomorrow.
On the other hand, the general manager also has to win, but he’s looking to the future of the franchise. He may choose to keep some younger players who have upside even though a limited veteran may be more helpful today.
Are their disagreements? Sure, but usually on just a few players. And if there is a good
There may be nothing more than a 24 hour window between the time the Patriots play their final game of the season (win or lose) and the time it takes for Patricia and McDaniels to sign with another team. Meaning: Kraft may not have the luxury of waiting on an offer for Belichick if he wants Patricia or McDaniels as his next head coach and Little Bill is telling him he plans on retiring. Does he call Belichick's bluff?
man. Always have. As a kid growing up emulating LT, Carl Banks, Harry Carson, Jim Burt and Leonard Marshall Bill Belichick was the center of it all. He was the young guy on the sidelines with the out of place red starter jacket that routinely created amazing game plans that shut down opponents.
Through the years, my admiration of him has not waned in the least. I find myself defending him, and speaking highly of him in young Giants fans faces and countless Jet fans ears.
The Patriots have played in 7 super bowls since he got there, I openly cheered for them in 5 of them.
Little Bill was a Giant, and is a Giant at heart. He loves the Mara family, and he loves this organization. If he comes back here I for one will be extremely emotional about it. I don't care about the BS press conferences. He's the ONE guy that all of us that KNOW him can trust with EVERYTHING.
...But giving up a #2, I'm sorry that's a lot to give up. If we swapped picks with the Pats, I'd be slightly OK with it, but that's a hefty ransom to pay even for a true legend of N Jersey/NY area.
And for those thinking that there might not have to be any compensation given...think again.
Kraft is too smart not to have something in that contract to protect the Pats from BB bolting the team for greener pastures. And even if he did, Mara would no doubt "do the right thing" (at least in his mind) and compensate the Pats. (Remember, his dad gave up a 3rd RD pick to Shula for signing Csonka, even when it wasn't required, because he thought it was the right thing to do.)
& will allow DG to fix us #2 I wouldn't wait for BB to possibly be available,I would secure a new HC (preferably McDaniels)as quickly as possible. #3 If BB became available (works his way out of his contract) after the Super Bowl & we had secured JM,I'd work out a deal w/JM to be Ass't HC under BB as the Giants coach in waiting as I believe JM would do this if it were BB #4 I honestly believe BB isn't going anywhere,Kraft won't let him out of his contract but on a freezing cold January day,it's great to fantasize about.In reality,secure the best possible HC not named BB,allow him to put together a quality staff as quickly as possible & work on restoring the Giant Way!
Even if all 3 coaches come. Bill is 65. (Yes the GOAT) but what are you going to get 3 years? We might not be ready to win by then. I agree with a orevious poster a 3 (maybe) a 4th ok.
if Belichick wants out he will get released. Kraft will not hold a pissed off Belichick hostage. If he wants out he will be allowed to leave
Letting him leave is one thing; letting him coach elsewhere is something else entirely. I think Kraft will push for some form of compensation.
Here's the real rub though - if the Giants do believe there's a chance to get BB, that's not something they can pursue at all until after the Patriots' playoff run is over, while all other candidates (including the Pats' coordinators) can at least reach deals in principal during that time. Which means that any pursuit of Belichick could potentially result in losing the game of musical chairs and being left with the 2nd tier (or worse) candidates.
I suppose candidates like Spagnuolo and Studesville will probably be available when the smoke clears if the Giants head down the Belichick path, but that's a significant risk to take. It's a fascinating scenario to consider. Do you shoot for the moon and risk being left with the lesser HC options? Do you take the safer path with one of the existing candidates? Or - this is a wild card - do you prioritize one of the Pats' coordinators in your search with the idea that BB could become available and you could potentially offset the compensation by sending your newly hired HC back to NE? I'm not even sure if that last option is feasible, but the whole idea of hiring Belichick seems like a pipe dream anyway.
That may be true, but it's not clear which "one year" it refers to. It's entirely possible that he signs for the following year each year so that he's technically never a lame duck and the Pats always have some measure of control. No one really knows, though.
for a 65 yr old coach. He’d also have to find new coordinators to work under him whether he’s here or stays with the Pats. Don’t underestimate losing Patricia and McDaniels having a serious degrading impact.
I want McDaniels as HC more than I want Belichick. As much as I love Bill, he’s not long for being a HC much longer and he’s cemented his legacy already even though being the HC to win SBs with multiple teams and to win one with the Giants would carry sentimental value for him.
McDaniels has something to prove too.
I think with Belichick, Giants fans are chasing waterfalls.
I don’t see this happening. He’d be 66 beginning next season and these guys really don’t coach beyond 70. Marv Levy has to have been the last guy to do that and I think he was 72 when he retired. It’d be a short term thing IMO and I think the Giants would like to build stability for the long term. I could see them going with McDaniels if he wants to come here, but B.B., although he’d love it, would not be beneficial long term for the Giants.
if Belichick's contract stipulations leak in the next couple of days
it will be another sign that he is leaving ..
looking on web here is details of when he signed his last contract ..
Belichick signed another extension in September 2013 for an unknown amount of money and an unknown amount of time.
so perhaps it was 5 year deal .. which means 2018 it is up ?
Who is more responsible for the Pats run Bill or Brady? If you think the latter you don't even consider compensation for a very good coach who had the GOAT at the MOST important position. If you think Bill would be just as successful with any competent QB then you do whatever it takes.
If Little Bills contract specifies that he has control over the roster and/or final decisions on football matters....
BREACH OF CONTRACT could be invoked. This is exactly the type of loophole He lives for. Consider the wide speculation that Bill, himself, is complicit in this report, he is paving his own way.
If Belly is that pissed he will burn that place to the ground. He will take whatever staff he wants. Anyone that doesn't go with him will be dead to him.
And for the draft a QB crowd, prepare for heartbreak. He will deal away for more picks. Ride with Eli and develop a mid round QB.
This is gonna be awesome!
He is that guy. He will not be crossed.
This!
You can not wait for things to develope. Mara will hire a coach, once Â
he does BB is not an option. Mara is not going to fire a new hire to get BB. If Mara hires one of Bill's guys is Bill going to want the job? Something has to happen real soon for BB to come to the Giants. That means making a deal with Kraft. The number 2 pick equals the value of a franchise QB, that should be enough. It could be argued that swapping first round picks also has that value. Best case scenario, Giants compensate New England with a second round pick for every year he coaches the Giants starting with next years second round pick. BB can recoup these picks with trades and pay the piper.
No Coach is worth trading for.... a coach does not play a position....and this idea that a certain coach is like GOD and will turn an awful team and organization ( As long as Mara runs it) into a consistent Super Bowl contender is absurd. As far as Mara is concerned averaging one SB every ten years or so is GOOD ENOUGH..no matter who the coach is.
If Mara and Gettleman are patient and New England loses its first Â
"The Jets get Parcells and give New England their first-round draft choice in 1999, second round in 1998 and third- and fourth-round picks in the April draft, plus $300,000 to the Patriots' charitable foundation." L.A. Times Parcells to Coach Jets in 1997 - ( New Window )
The Pats gave picks to the Jets for Belichick. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or BB? It should be an obvious answer. BB took a team that had never won the SB and won it in his SECOND year. The first of 5 and a buttload of playoff appearances.
The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!
I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.
If picks are a part of compensation, you don't give the #2 pick this year - it has to be future picks. Even if they're 1st rounders.
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?
Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
Anyone that wouldn't give up the #2 pick is crazy Â
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
Belichick is possibly the greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport. We're a better team with him as coach and Davis Webb as quarterback than we are with Darnold and some other coach.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
Give up an entire draft for a 65 year old coach? Â
And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.
I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
Is he bringing Brady and his front office guys? I'm not putting up with 3-13 just to run this same roster out there again and set the team back even further. How does that jive with your assertion that this team isn't close? If they're not close now, sabotaging another year by adding no talent doesn't help.
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
People always overvalue draft picks this time of year.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Wait a second..
The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.
So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.
Where are you getting players from?
Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
I don't understand those who say they wouldn't give up anything (for the greatest Coach in a sport where coaches have the biggest impact) and I'm not arguing to give up an entire draft.
Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
With his desire to come back to the Giants, combined with his age, maybe he wouldn't mind working with Gettleman.. if it was understood he got final say.
And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win
Outside of that, there is not a player in this draft that I think can impact this team in a positive way like have BB at the helm. The things he's been able to do with "ordinary" talent in many spots is amazing.
But overall, I'm not sold on the QBs as much as some so to me getting BB as head coach is probably worth the #2, certainly worth swapping.
The only way it is happening though is if BB forces the situation and effectively tells Kraft he is not coaching the Pats next year one way or the other.
But if we're fantasizing, you might get a handful of years where he builds a foundation. Is that worth it if he's not around to coach it?
I have to say, speculating on this situation pisses me off to no end at Parcells again for what he did to the Giants and the way he left. His exit left the Giants high and dry in such a poor way.
If Little Bills contract specifies that he has control over the roster and/or final decisions on football matters....
BREACH OF CONTRACT could be invoked. This is exactly the type of loophole He lives for. Consider the wide speculation that Bill, himself, is complicit in this report, he is paving his own way.
If Belly is that pissed he will burn that place to the ground. He will take whatever staff he wants. Anyone that doesn't go with him will be dead to him.
And for the draft a QB crowd, prepare for heartbreak. He will deal away for more picks. Ride with Eli and develop a mid round QB.
This is gonna be awesome!
He is that guy. He will not be crossed.
That's essentially promoting a coach over an owner. I don't believe it exists anywhere. Kraft isn't a moron. He's the same guy who pushed Bill Parcells out the door because he didn't want to give him full control of anything.
Scorched earth.
I feel he is that kind of guy. Cross him once and you are dead to him.
p.s.--Maybe we'll get lucky and they include Ereck Flowers in the trade!
The whole thing is a pipe dream but the cost should be an afterthought.
For me to believe that that is the case, that would mean that you could have a situation where a Coach or GM wants to spend a big contract on an acquisition and does so without having to go through upper management. But we know that's certainly not true. Not even Tom Coughlin had the authority to do whatever he wanted with the roster. Because that would cut the team owner out of it, and why would they ever give up power to be in charge of their property?
I don't recall exactly but I seem to remember Parcells saying he was going to stay when it was uncertain and then because Parcells he was going to stay, Belichik interviewed and took the head coaching job in Cleveland. And then later Parcells said he was not going to coach and well we know who we got as coach. Epic disaster. There was a back story with Young though you are right and I think Young had no interest in Belichick being coach.
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are routinely negotiated and put into contracts with GM's and/or coaches. It's fairly standard to delegate and divide those things and put them in writing
For me to believe that that is the case, that would mean that you could have a situation where a Coach or GM wants to spend a big contract on an acquisition and does so without having to go through upper management. But we know that's certainly not true. Not even Tom Coughlin had the authority to do whatever he wanted with the roster. Because that would cut the team owner out of it, and why would they ever give up power to be in charge of their property?
You can google around and check it out. It is often a negotiated point in the GM or coaches contract. For instance, Gruden has certainly negotioated what power he has in that he has final say oakland. in the draft, roster construction. There may be a provision when it comes to giving out contracts that needs the owners approval, but there may not to. I could be a budget that is given to them. Most of these things are collaborative, but there has to be a final decision maker on football matters.
This is a snippet from the football post, but poke around the webs.
Who has the final decision on the roster?
Every NFL club has one and only one person with control over the 53-man roster. In essence, regardless of title, the person who holds this designation is the man who runs the club. In most cases, it is either the general manager or the head coach. It can’t be both.
Depending on who that person is, there can be a difference in philosophy. If it’s the head coach, the thought process is often on today. What I mean by that is coaches have to win in order to retain their jobs. If the coach has the final say on the roster, he is almost always going to choose players who are going to help him win today, not tomorrow. If he doesn’t win, there is no tomorrow.
On the other hand, the general manager also has to win, but he’s looking to the future of the franchise. He may choose to keep some younger players who have upside even though a limited veteran may be more helpful today.
Are their disagreements? Sure, but usually on just a few players. And if there is a good
Through the years, my admiration of him has not waned in the least. I find myself defending him, and speaking highly of him in young Giants fans faces and countless Jet fans ears.
The Patriots have played in 7 super bowls since he got there, I openly cheered for them in 5 of them.
Little Bill was a Giant, and is a Giant at heart. He loves the Mara family, and he loves this organization. If he comes back here I for one will be extremely emotional about it. I don't care about the BS press conferences. He's the ONE guy that all of us that KNOW him can trust with EVERYTHING.
...But giving up a #2, I'm sorry that's a lot to give up. If we swapped picks with the Pats, I'd be slightly OK with it, but that's a hefty ransom to pay even for a true legend of N Jersey/NY area.
And for those thinking that there might not have to be any compensation given...think again.
Kraft is too smart not to have something in that contract to protect the Pats from BB bolting the team for greener pastures. And even if he did, Mara would no doubt "do the right thing" (at least in his mind) and compensate the Pats. (Remember, his dad gave up a 3rd RD pick to Shula for signing Csonka, even when it wasn't required, because he thought it was the right thing to do.)
Letting him leave is one thing; letting him coach elsewhere is something else entirely. I think Kraft will push for some form of compensation.
Here's the real rub though - if the Giants do believe there's a chance to get BB, that's not something they can pursue at all until after the Patriots' playoff run is over, while all other candidates (including the Pats' coordinators) can at least reach deals in principal during that time. Which means that any pursuit of Belichick could potentially result in losing the game of musical chairs and being left with the 2nd tier (or worse) candidates.
I suppose candidates like Spagnuolo and Studesville will probably be available when the smoke clears if the Giants head down the Belichick path, but that's a significant risk to take. It's a fascinating scenario to consider. Do you shoot for the moon and risk being left with the lesser HC options? Do you take the safer path with one of the existing candidates? Or - this is a wild card - do you prioritize one of the Pats' coordinators in your search with the idea that BB could become available and you could potentially offset the compensation by sending your newly hired HC back to NE? I'm not even sure if that last option is feasible, but the whole idea of hiring Belichick seems like a pipe dream anyway.
That may be true, but it's not clear which "one year" it refers to. It's entirely possible that he signs for the following year each year so that he's technically never a lame duck and the Pats always have some measure of control. No one really knows, though.
If it doesn t happen, which is most likely, hope they don t miss out on McDaniels or whomever their choice might be.
I want McDaniels as HC more than I want Belichick. As much as I love Bill, he’s not long for being a HC much longer and he’s cemented his legacy already even though being the HC to win SBs with multiple teams and to win one with the Giants would carry sentimental value for him.
McDaniels has something to prove too.
I think with Belichick, Giants fans are chasing waterfalls.
If he even considers it, it would be the appeal of being the Giants AND having the #2 pick.
it will be another sign that he is leaving ..
looking on web here is details of when he signed his last contract ..
Belichick signed another extension in September 2013 for an unknown amount of money and an unknown amount of time.
so perhaps it was 5 year deal .. which means 2018 it is up ?
What if things are being discussed behind closed doors while other Coaches are getting picked up and then the deal falls through?
If Little Bills contract specifies that he has control over the roster and/or final decisions on football matters....
BREACH OF CONTRACT could be invoked. This is exactly the type of loophole He lives for. Consider the wide speculation that Bill, himself, is complicit in this report, he is paving his own way.
If Belly is that pissed he will burn that place to the ground. He will take whatever staff he wants. Anyone that doesn't go with him will be dead to him.
And for the draft a QB crowd, prepare for heartbreak. He will deal away for more picks. Ride with Eli and develop a mid round QB.
This is gonna be awesome!
He is that guy. He will not be crossed.
This!
Kraft is too smart not to have something in that contract to protect the Pats from BB bolting the team for greener pastures.
Giants aren't exactly greener pastures these days.
"The Jets get Parcells and give New England their first-round draft choice in 1999, second round in 1998 and third- and fourth-round picks in the April draft, plus $300,000 to the Patriots' charitable foundation."
L.A. Times Parcells to Coach Jets in 1997 - ( New Window )
Certainly would not give them this year's 1st rd pick at all. Start with 2019 and go from there.
Why would we want some one and done loser? We just fired one in McAdoo!
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
The Jets gave picks to the Pats for Parcells. Who was proven to be more valuable, the picks or Parcells? That's also an obvious answer. Parcells took a 1-15 team and won the division at 12-4 and got them to the AFC conf. title game in his SECOND year!
I don't know what I would give up, but I know a great coach can be worth multiple draft picks. Picks are a crap shoot. BB might be GOAT and an energetic 65. He's worth some picks.
It's fucking Belichick, though. If you need to part with picks to get him here, so be it. You have to do it.
You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
It's always fun when Denny weighs in on trade/compensation.
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You’re right they can’t give up the #2 pick for him. I would offer a first in 2019 or 2020 but they need to use the 2nd pick on Belichick’s new franchise QB. I am against trading Beckham but for BB I would definitely do it. Beckham and a 2nd next year is more than worth it.
You wouldn't give up the #2 pick in the draft (which may turn out to be a complete bust) but you'd readily give up Beckham AND next year's second round pick?
Pretty clear you aren't a Beckham fan ... lol
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
I'd rather take the pain now, but the point remains: whatever it takes.
I'd give up our entire draft plus players for Belichick.
This years entire drafting picking 2nd in each round? Absolutely no!
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And not just that, but this year (after suffering through the McAdoo/Spagnuolo pupu platter to earn the #2 spot) instead of future years, which would be lower picks if Belichick is indeed the "greatest determinant of wins in the history of the sport." Although maybe not, since Terps would also cut every talented player on the roster.
I'm sure he has some statistical analysis to back this up - he's probably just finishing up his work on Lamar Jackson first.
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Agreed. Zero.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
Absolutely not.
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The idea of surrendering an entire draft is just complete lunacy - but I can't believe anyone wouldn't give up anything if this was a possibility.
I'd have no issue giving up two future first rounders if that brought him home.
Absolutely not.
Well worth it, if you ask me...
I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Kraft said so.
Kraft.
Has he ever lied to us?;-).
Anyway...I'd give money and the #1 in 4-5 years.
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Haven't you been the one saying this team isn't close?
I do find the smoke and its timing to be interesting, but BB under contract presents issues with regards to compensation, etc.
So, you are saying there’s a chance? ;)
The point of the game is to win, not to amass picks. Belichick is possibly the greatest winner in the history of the league and shows no signs of slowing down.
If you figure in a good year a draft yields four good players... you wouldn't trade four good players for the greatest coach ever?
Belichick makes this an 11 win team immediately, adding no one.
Wait a second..
The point of the game is to win, not amass picks - but you've been begging for the Giants to trade away proven, elite players like Beckham... for picks.
So, you think people overvalue picks and don't want to amass them - but you don't want to pay players market value when they're good enough to earn a second contract.
Where are you getting players from?
Week by week, you're painting yourself into a corner smaller and smaller by constantly going against the grain on nearly every issue.
Such extremes. Like a lot of things, the answer is somewhere in between.
And DG probably wouldn't mind working with BB, because he seems like the type that just wants to win