PFT/Florio: 2017 1st round QB's stronger than Rosen/Darnold

In comment 13775783 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 13775763 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: amongst this group. What is this based on? It is like Webb has grown in mythical status over the last 6 months by not playing a snap while we have been able to scrutinize every snap of the QB's playing in college this year and have somehow been able to project Webb into this group. What if Webb would've had a mediocre season at Cal? Somehow, he's been able to grow in stature by not having been seen. Great way to boost one's own stock.

Its based on their college performance, which is all we have since none of them have ever played a down in the NFL. I don't understand the comment "what if he had been mediocre". Thats the point, he wasn't. He was MVP of The Senior Bow, had 37 TDs and around 4,300 yards. Its like saying what if Darnold was mediocre (oh wait he was).

On the QBS, then three teams traded up.

Don't believe anything.

Take DE Chubb instead. If someone slips to early Rnd 2 maybe.

In comment 13775907 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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Just watched Darnold vs Washington St. and Ohio St. He throws like Sonny Jurgensen with that around-the-horn motion, but he is not as accurate as Sonny. He is, however, talented. He really competes. Against Ohio St. he was getting hammered, but he kept stepping into his throws, scrambling when he had to (which was often). Rick Neuheisel said that Darnold had "it." You can see what he means. But I don't think he is as advanced in his development as Rosen is. He may get there, and he may stay healthier longer. Who knows? Right now I see Rosen as the #1 QB. However, I would not be unhappy with Darnold. I need to watch Baker Mayfield some more. My initial impression though is that he is talented and closer to Russel Wilson than to Manziel, but he is not the athlete Wilson is, and I don't think he is as cerebral as Wilson. Will his schtick play at the NFL level? That is a serious question mark for me.

Kudos for the Sonny Jurgensen reference. And I agree with the points you make.

but that's all it is. Wait until after the combine and pro days and then we can really get our hands dirty. I want to see what the medical evaluations on Rosen are. Concerned about his injury history although since his father is a neurosurgeon (if I remember correctly) if the concussions were a major concern he might not even continue. On the other hand he could just grab the money early and run. Fascinating time!

In comment 13775914 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 13775862 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: Having watched a full game for each (Webb vs USC; Rosen vs Colorado and Stanford), there is no comparison between the two. Rosen is significantly better. He has a much better arm, reads defenses quicker, throws better under pressure and is considerably more accurate. I say that last point despite the fact that the Colorado game may have been one of his worst in terms of accuracy. I haven't watched full games of Darnold in some time, but I will soon. USC completely ripped Cal apart, there wer far superior and Webb could do nothing. Why not review a few other games where the competition was more equal, like you did for Rosen. Webb had some absolutlely huge games, like the Texas game at the beginning of the year. Pick one that is a little fairer. Rosen had some real clunkers too.

I've watched 5 Webb games from 2016. Varying levels of competition. He is equally pedestrian in all of them. Same major flaws without any measurable improvement. Mediocre college defenses were sitting on his routes, he also had several dropped ints because he was just so heavily inaccurate throwing anything over 10 yards. He just doesn't even look remotely like an NFL qb in these films.

I agree with another poster, Rosen's films are impressive. Despite the awful offensive schemes at USC, Darnold also came across well in many of the fils I saw, nice touch on the long pass, he really was the whole offense . I also saw him scan the field with some precision. I can see the comparisons to Big Ben.

he made his fair share of mistakes(int.'s,...), but he was only in his third year of college ball. And more often than not, he would make big plays with his feet and arm when the time called for it. And those big plays weren't of the average variety, they were pretty spectacular.

Last year at this time they were shitting all over the Qbs coming out.

Everyone on this board was screaming not to draft a QB.
"2018 was the year of the QB" and Rosen, Darnold,Jackson, and Falk were all better than 2017 class.
Falk now is not even in the first round talk.
There was a consensus on BBI that Mahomes and Watson were system QB's that would bust in the NFL.
As interesting as the banter is most opinions have little merit and substance.

On my phone

In comment 13776132 lax counsel said:

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In comment 13775914 PatersonPlank said: Quote: In comment 13775862 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: Having watched a full game for each (Webb vs USC; Rosen vs Colorado and Stanford), there is no comparison between the two. Rosen is significantly better. He has a much better arm, reads defenses quicker, throws better under pressure and is considerably more accurate. I say that last point despite the fact that the Colorado game may have been one of his worst in terms of accuracy. I haven't watched full games of Darnold in some time, but I will soon. USC completely ripped Cal apart, there wer far superior and Webb could do nothing. Why not review a few other games where the competition was more equal, like you did for Rosen. Webb had some absolutlely huge games, like the Texas game at the beginning of the year. Pick one that is a little fairer. Rosen had some real clunkers too. I've watched 5 Webb games from 2016. Varying levels of competition. He is equally pedestrian in all of them. Same major flaws without any measurable improvement. Mediocre college defenses were sitting on his routes, he also had several dropped ints because he was just so heavily inaccurate throwing anything over 10 yards. He just doesn't even look remotely like an NFL qb in these films. I agree with another poster, Rosen's films are impressive. Despite the awful offensive schemes at USC, Darnold also came across well in many of the fils I saw, nice touch on the long pass, he really was the whole offense . I also saw him scan the field with some precision. I can see the comparisons to Big Ben.

Look, I don't know if Webb is the answer or not. However I do think he needs to be given a chance, and I do think he's as good as some of the guys coming out this year. I also do not buy into that this class is some kind of generational class. I think its not fair to say Webb was pedestrian in college, and not any good (like in your previous post). I too have watched a lot of his games, he had a very very good college career. Like Rosen his team was so-so, so some games were much rougher than others. Here are his actual stats, no sugar coating at all:

RESULT COMP ATT PCT TD INT YDS
Haw W51-31 38 54 70.40% 4 0 441
@SDSU L45-40 41 72 56.90% 5 3 522
Texas W50-43 27 40 67.50% 4 0 396
@ASU L51-41 32 56 57.10% 5 2 478
Utah W28-23 22 35 62.90% 4 1 306
@ORST L47-44 23 44 52.30% 0 1 113
ORE W52-49 42 61 68.90% 5 0 325
@USC L45-24 34 53 64.20% 2 1 333
WASH L66-27 23 47 48.90% 1 3 262
@WSU L56-21 34 53 64.20% 3 1 425
STAN L45-31 34 57 59.60% 2 0 393
UCLA W36-10 32 48 66.70% 2 0 301
Total 382 620 61.60% 37 12 4295