I have a big problem with this. I do not see this as a "leader of men"
Here is his quote
“My first year, I’m going to do it from up top. I know a lot of guys do it from the field, but I want to be up there so I can see things and get ready for the next call, away from the sideline with all the emotion and hoopla. I’ll be focused and locked in.
“You miss the aspect of being able to look into the guys’ eyes and see exactly how they’re feeling and what they’re thinking, but that’s where trust in your coaches and communication between the booth and the sideline comes in. So on the whole, being up in the booth is more conducive for me.”
So who is the guy commanding the defense? I assume its Rivera.
We have been sold that Wilks is a command the room type. A leader of men. A guy who will inspire his players. That will build a culture.
How can you do any of that from the booth?
This tells me he values schemes above that.
Ive never liked guys who went with the booth over the sidelines
I understand your concern, and it used to bother me too, but I think this is more of a media creation than anything else.
He has zero resume.
This team is not in the position to take the risk on another green coordinator with no resume
IMO it has to be either McDaniels or Shurmur. You let the new coach draft and groom the QB he wants. Probably Shurmur to be honest. Just look what he's doing with a career backup and a bunch of guys nobody was really interested in coming out of college.
1/7/18, 8:13 PM
Rivera says that he has a “hunch” that it’s “Steve Wilks’ time.” Looked genuinely sad.
McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
And he was fired after a disastrous year as DC with the Eagles. So, who knows?
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!
Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.
Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!
Absolutely nothing.
Coaching from the booth has no bearing on his success.
But comparing the 2 is meaningless. He is running McDermott's defense.
I just don't see them making this move after the Mac fiasco.
*Side Note- Mike Tomlin was a DC for just one season.
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.
Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.
Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you don’t know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I don’t see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.
But Giants fans don’t know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.
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In comment 13777360 Simms11 said:
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.
Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.
Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you don’t know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I don’t see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.
But Giants fans don’t know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.
Packers coaches and players spoke highly of McAdoo. That obviously doesn't mean shit.
Yes plenty of question marks about his coaching. He took over a very good defense. Can he improve a shitty defense? Will he know how to interact with the players on the sideline? How is his play calling? Is he getting the defense in position to succeed or is the smartest LB in football doing that? Is he really that good of a coach when he couldn't find a better job then DBs coach for nearly 15 years?
Shurmur, McDaniels & Patricia don't have nearly as many question marks and have proven track records. Wilks does not.
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In comment 13777360 Simms11 said:
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.
Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.
Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you don’t know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I don’t see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.
But Giants fans don’t know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.
Packers coaches and players spoke highly of McAdoo. That obviously doesn't mean shit.
Yes plenty of question marks about his coaching. He took over a very good defense. Can he improve a shitty defense? Will he know how to interact with the players on the sideline? How is his play calling? Is he getting the defense in position to succeed or is the smartest LB in football doing that? Is he really that good of a coach when he couldn't find a better job then DBs coach for nearly 15 years?
Shurmur, McDaniels & Patricia don't have nearly as many question marks and have proven track records. Wilks does not.
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Don’t tell these guys that. They don’t want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...
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But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.
Don’t tell these guys that. They don’t want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...
John Fox had plenty of experience. Including two super bowl appearances.
Jim Caldwell, Bruce Arians, Ken Whisenhunt...they all had a lot of experience as HCs. They also havent had much playoff success.
Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Jon Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin are all working their first HC jobs. In fact the vast majority of the league has guys in place who had never been a HC before.
Just a dumb and shitty argument. There are what? Less than 10 guys coaching in 2017 that have head coaching ecperience?
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But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.
Don’t tell these guys that. They don’t want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...
John Fox had plenty of experience. Including two super bowl appearances.
Jim Caldwell, Bruce Arians, Ken Whisenhunt...they all had a lot of experience as HCs. They also havent had much playoff success.
Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Jon Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin are all working their first HC jobs. In fact the vast majority of the league has guys in place who had never been a HC before.
Just a dumb and shitty argument. There are what? Less than 10 guys coaching in 2017 that have head coaching ecperience?
It's not about head coaching experience.
It's about overall experience. He has only been a DC for one season for a defense built by a strong DC. (McDermott)
The coaches you named were good coordinators (besides Tomlin) They were proven.
I don't mind a first time coach but have a strong resume.
I can’t wait for the HC decision to be made so some of this nonsense can end, but I know no matter who is selected there will be some level of whining.
My concern with him is his lack of experience as a coordinator. Hiring a one-year DC as HC really concerns me.
All that said, it is a bit of a risky hire based on his level of experience. But, honestly, so is hiring any coordinator and hoping he can make the leap to HC. And it's not like there's no risk in hiring a re-tread who looks bad. BB fit that mold and has been wildly successful - but most of these guys are who their prior work says they are. And McAdoo may have failed making the leap after one year, but Tomlin didn't. In the end, it's about the guy, and the hard part about hiring is figuring out the Peter Principle.
A: Not a leader of men
B: Not a good HC candidate
Sound logic, please contribute more.
This is not a knock on Wilks.
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!
Absolutely nothing.
Coaching from the booth has no bearing on his success.
But comparing the 2 is meaningless. He is running McDermott's defense.
Comparing the two is not meaningless because the OP titled the thread that he coaches from the Booth - not the sidelines, well that is the comparison that I was responding to. That fact to me is meaningless as McDermott has already shown success. The assumption is that because he coaches from the Booth he's not in tune with the players, etc, well, I pointed out that McDermott did the same thing and he's had success as a head coach. I don't know where you're going with this?
Its one year.
Ben McAdoo went 11-5 and made the playoffs. Was he good?
Lets hold he phone on the McDermott was good talk and see more evidence.
The guy made one of the most awful HC decisions by pulling Taylor and putting in a QB who had no business seeing the field. 5 first half INTs!
So lets slow down with the McDermott is good talk.