Ian Rapoport
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11m11 minutes ago
The #Giants will take a day off from head coach interviews today, with #Panthers DC Steve Wilks likely taking a day to meet with players, then scheduling his interviews with #NYG, #Colts, #AZCardinals, and #Lions.
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One has to wonder where the Giants will turn if McDaniels, Patricia, and Wilks sign with other teams.
Shurmur may not sign here either.
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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.
Shurmur may not sign here either.
That would be a good thing
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
The guy was good for a few laughs. "Wife does the Christmas shopping."
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
Im sure that every team has a favorite at this point.
I'll be really happy if Wilks becomes our guy.
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
So that would leave Wilks for the Giants.
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.
And Odell.
Might be heading to the second tier of candidates .
I cant see either situation being more attractive than ours unless Wilks is convinced that Luck is 100% healthy. The Colts roster is as much of a mess as their owner is. The Bears also have a weak roster and Trubisky didnt exactly convince anyone that he is the franchise QB yet.
Why would he go there over Gettleman and the Giants?
Possible I suppose, but this entire thread reeks of typical Giants fan shoe-gazing.
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
what is so "can't miss" about these 3 candidates? McDaniels is a proven flop away from the BB nest. Nobody actually knows what Patricia or any other BB assistant does. Every one of BB aides has been a flop except Bill O'Brien. Shurmur has the best track record as a coordinator building programs, but is no sure thing to be a successful HC, but of the 3, I think he's the best candidate.
But it appears as if Wilks or McDaniels will be the Giant coach.
In-fact, if we fall in love with anyone of these coaches, who is going to say No?
agreed
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.
Who wouldn't want to coach a premier, bedrock NFL franchise with 4 SBs in the biggest market in the country? Any candidate scared of this challenge is someone we don't want.
Jordan Raanan
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18m18 minutes ago
Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership?
Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit?
Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.
Agreed, but talking about Belichick is equally far-fetched. Folks have to come to the understanding that Bill is not coming here.
1) The transition away from franchise QB is always a huge challenge. Especially when the guy has won 2 SBs.
2) Can he handle a star personality like Odell? He's never faced anything close to that before. His lack of resume will put him at a disadvantage here. Not where you want to be in dealing with hot head star personalities with organizational clout. Sure, he'll have the support of the GM, but that guy got himself fired dealing with such situations before.
3) Who is going to develop Eli's successor? This is HUGE. You need a franchise QB for sustained success. Wilks is obviously not the guy to develop Eli's successor into a winner, so who is?
4) He is going to need a strong veteran staff to help with the above. Does this guy have the connections to build elite staff?
Again, sounds like a great fit where lots of things are in place. But this guy will be walking into the fire here with zero experience to prepare him for what he is going to face. And if we make the wrong move we could blow a huge opportunity here.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
Eric. I agree. His connection with Gettleman may tip the table that way
Jordan Raanan
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18m18 minutes ago
Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants
How is it later this week if both done by Wednesday? Haha
But not coaches. This is why they are hired. And the Giants have a history of being a good place to work. What happened this past season is not typical of this franchise and I think most people know that.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
and why do you think that is? We have tradition, championships, a major market, top notch facilities, solid ownership, talent on the roster.
Let's see we have a stable organization with stable ownership.
Number 2 overall draft pick
A franchise quarterback that a coach can win with and the possibility of grooming his replacement.
A talented receiving Corp. In Beckham, Shepard and Engram
A defense with young playmakers
Nahhhhh no one would want to coach this team
And oh yeah we have cheap owners too!!
Doom and gloom I tell ya!!!
But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership?
Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit?
Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.
Thank you. This sums everything up perfectly.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
I think a lot of this is pre-coach selection panic. Happens at some point every time there's any opening. Like, oh no, we're going to be left out in the cold and forced to hire the Clone of Rich Kotite. I think it will be Shurmer or Wilks. If not, maybe the Schwartz will be with us.
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
same reason they keep talking about Belichick. And Cowher. And kept bringing up Gruden until he was mercifully and stupidly taken off the table by the Raiders.
1. I didn't like the way McDaniels handled himself in Denver. He's most likely changed and has learned it, but he really created a rift with some players in that locker room based on his personality. It didn't end well. I'm certain he's a good teacher and good coordinator.
2. Shurmur is just a bit sleepy to me. Smart guy, knows offense obviously. Good coach. I just can't see this guy as the coach of the Giants. He'd be underwhelming and that's really all I have to say about him. It's kind of a dumb thing, but I just have zero excitement when I hear Pat Shurmur.
3. Wilks doesn't have the preferred experience. Spent nearly his entire career as a DB coach outside of a quick college stint as DC and HC. The one thing I will say, is that former players and coaches that know him speak the world of this guy. His demeanor, the way he treats players and coaches, and the way he both commands a room and also demands effort from a group of men. Not that the other two guys couldn't do this, but you don't hear that a ton with them. When I hear and see Wilks speak and the way he acts, that seems like a Giant way to me. Or at least, the Giant way that we are trying to get back to with Gettleman running the team.
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
I would say there is zero chance we could land McDaniels unless they agree to let him have say in who we pick at #2. The appeal for other places like Indi and Detroit is they have their QBs. McDaniels is going to say, where is my Tom Brady, and one of the huge appeals of him is his ability to help develop the QB. For NY, we have a chip, its the #2 pick. McDaniels is going to want assurances if his guy is there, he'll get him. But Odds are Gettleman won't accept that. If so, this would basically eliminate us.
That really can't be known for sure if that was discussed in the interview.
Yes, I'm sure these candidates hate the idea of having one of the most talented receivers to ever start a career on the roster.
New GM in place, different situation now. See how quickly Hart was cut as an example.
I really hate this place @ times.
Not buying. Typical "woe is me" Giant fan bullcrap. The Giants will have no trouble getting one of the top candidates.
Beckham is a generational talent.
Eli is an established player in his twilight years.
Apple will get it together or be gone.
They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.
Stop it. You are being foolish.
Yes nobody would want to deal with a talented WR who got into a fight once during a game. Why cant he be a model citizen like Antonio Brown.
I can't see any coaching candidate not having some say in what the QB picture going forward would be. The work in concert with the GM. In fact, I'm sure that conversation happened at the meeting and they are aware the Giants have the #2 pick in the draft allowing the Giants to select a highly rated QB prospect.
You mischaracterize both OBJ and Manning there - OBJ is by all accounts a top notch teammate and Manning didn't prevent the team from playing Webb - in fact, he gave them an opening to have Webb start a game, rather than arbitrarily come in at the half.
I'm only speculating on this one, but I'm not the first to bring it up and there are rumblings out there that this has/is an issue for getting McDaniels in NYG. Don't know if true, but very plausible.
Eli was selfish? Was it his selfishness that caused the HC to not give Webb any reps in practice, thus making it possible for him to get some snaps?
Wow.
In terms of appeal for a job, most teams with horrible records who fire their head coach are relatively unappealing; does Indy or Chicago seem like a great opportunity right now?. My take is that being in New York with very stable ownership and a proven GM is all very attractive, that we probably have more talent on the roster than most 3-13 teams and a not-horrible salary cap position with an established starting QB and the second pick in the draft. I do believe there have been culture issues but that is the whole point of bringing in the new people.For Beckham, my guess is that 32 of 32 teams would like him on their team after considering any culture issues he presents.
So the question is how much delegation will DG be willing to give up? Any HC candidate should ask that question, and the answer may be a turn-off to some of the more highly sought candidates.
Why does everyone keep saying this? I haven't found a single thing saying that to be true.
The only things I've found are what Bama would pay Saban if they fired him without cause, $22 mil, and his coaches would owe 20% of their salary if they leave, although he waives that if they leave for a higher position.
Saban's contract is structured in such a way by his agent (Sexton) they have all their bases covered and I can't imagine in the slightest they'd have such a penalty written in if he wanted to leave. Eg, his coaching "salary" is under a half mil per year with the rest being paid for him being him. He also gets a $400k bonus every year just for not leaving among a huge perc package. He lives mortgage free in a home paid for by the school/donors and even the real estate taxes are waived because it's technically on school grounds and part of the University.
Sounds to me like they've given him everything he wants to keep him happy and I can't see them ever jeopardizing him being unhappy by wanting a "leave" clause, and one with such a high payback taboot. Not to mention him even agreeing to it, which given everything else in totality, seems unlikely.
The only thing I can see is at most he, like his coaches would have to pay back 20% of his salary. Considering his actual coaching salary is so low (written like that intentionally I'm sure) his payback would be minimal.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
All HC openings are attractive. Yes, some are more attractive than others but they are all desirable.
...and I see that was posted like 1/2 hour ago....
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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.
Why does everyone keep saying this? I haven't found a single thing saying that to be true.
The only things I've found are what Bama would pay Saban if they fired him without cause, $22 mil, and his coaches would owe 20% of their salary if they leave, although he waives that if they leave for a higher position.
Saban's contract is structured in such a way by his agent (Sexton) they have all their bases covered and I can't imagine in the slightest they'd have such a penalty written in if he wanted to leave. Eg, his coaching "salary" is under a half mil per year with the rest being paid for him being him. He also gets a $400k bonus every year just for not leaving among a huge perc package. He lives mortgage free in a home paid for by the school/donors and even the real estate taxes are waived because it's technically on school grounds and part of the University.
Sounds to me like they've given him everything he wants to keep him happy and I can't see them ever jeopardizing him being unhappy by wanting a "leave" clause, and one with such a high payback taboot. Not to mention him even agreeing to it, which given everything else in totality, seems unlikely.
The only thing I can see is at most he, like his coaches would have to pay back 20% of his salary. Considering his actual coaching salary is so low (written like that intentionally I'm sure) his payback would be minimal.
Tradition and past championships are nice but mean little moving forward.
Not sure a major market is a plus or a negative for a coach. Some families don't like being anywhere near a big city like New York. Certainly the tabloid media is not a positive.
Giants do have great facilities.
Solid ownership? Wellington is gone. John hasn't proven jack. This is the same guy who thought Coughlin, and not Reese was the problem.
Talent? The Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Beyond all that, a new coach is going to be saddled with the Eli transition problem (don't think that previous PR nightmare wasn't noticed by all candidates), may be forced by ownership to keep front office personnel/coaches, may be forced to keep Odell, have to deal with a broken locker room, may be saddled with a new QB who will have Eli's long shadow hanging over him (a major issue), a practically empty cupboard on the OL and LB, saddled with JPP and Vernon's contracts.
The team just hired a GM entering retirement age and may not be here in a few years.
The Giants are a mess right now.
You could have said that about the Steelers or Cowboys at various points.
Giants are still a flagship organization and a flagship job.
I assume you are hinting at Nick Saban.
I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.
As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
I agree because of this locker room. Who wants to inherit that mess and the disaster created with the Eli fiasco. If Eli doesn't start is there another uproar from the fans and from Eli like last time? What about the other Eli? Who's coming back and who isn't? It could be real ugly.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
It may not be desirable to those retreads that have to make it work. This may be their last hurrah at being a Head Coach in this league.
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To talk to Saban.
I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.
As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.
It's not a penalty for leaving to the NFL. Its a buyout of his massive Alabama contract. I'm at work so I can't go searching for it. Perhaps someone else can.
I think the supports of the Giants being a good landing spot aren't saying people don't say "No" to the Giants. Of course people say no. Didn't Tom Couglin say no back in 1993, and Dan Reeves ended up being our 3rd choice? Circumstances.
There are only 32 HC positions open in the NFL. Just some are more attractive than others for a number of reasons - I feel the Giants spot is usually amongst the most desired.
LOL...the whole league?
I'm sure GY, a very savy General Manager, knew exactly what his options were.
I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.
As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.
It doesn't matter. He makes over $11 mill per year at Bama, and has a job for life. Why would he leave that?
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I'm old enough to have gone through a number of these coaching transitions and there have many coaches who have said no to the Giants.
I think the supports of the Giants being a good landing spot aren't saying people don't say "No" to the Giants. Of course people say no. Didn't Tom Couglin say no back in 1993, and Dan Reeves ended up being our 3rd choice? Circumstances.
There are only 32 HC positions open in the NFL. Just some are more attractive than others for a number of reasons - I feel the Giants spot is usually amongst the most desired.
Exactly...when we ask why don't they interview this guys or that guy it could be because those guys weren't interested believe it or. Giants are still a mess right now.
1. What does the HC prospect think of McAdoo? Was he inexperienced and in over his head? Or was he dealt a losing hand by management, especially in regards to the QB position and OL?
2. Which season is more indicative of the talent on this team? If you think the team is closer to 2016, you're probably jumping at the opportunity to add the #2 pick to a potential playoff contender. If you think that the 2016 team just go "lucky" and it's talent was closer to that of a 5-6 win team, then there's not much difference between the Giants and the other available teams.
In short, if you (like many/most Giants fans) think McAdoo was a buffoon in over his head, then you probably place most of the blame for 2017 at his feet and feel its a unique situation to be walking into a new HC position with a team that is talented enough to compete for the postseason in year 1 (ala 2016).
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.
My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
I agree because of this locker room. Who wants to inherit that mess and the disaster created with the Eli fiasco. If Eli doesn't start is there another uproar from the fans and from Eli like last time? What about the other Eli? Who's coming back and who isn't? It could be real ugly.
The locker room is NOT a mess. Eli Apple is a mess. OBJ is not a problem except he will want $17 mill per, but every team has contract problems.
Eli fiasco is over and so are guys that caused it are gone. Gettleman will either trade Eli, play him or cut him. That is not a fiasco, that is the NFL. If the Giants draft another QB at #2 and he beats Eli out, there will be no uproar. There is no way a rookie QB beats Eli out this year.
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He's probably right, but I'm not sure why he would refer to Studesville as a Rooney Rule interviewee when he's scheduled to be interviewed after Wilks. I think some are too quick to dismiss black candidates as "Rooney interviews". It unnecessarily diminishes the qualifications of minority candidates, and it is clearly a baseless claim here. I would expect better from Vacchiano.
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In comment 13778277 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To talk to Saban.
I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.
As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.
It's not a penalty for leaving to the NFL. Its a buyout of his massive Alabama contract. I'm at work so I can't go searching for it. Perhaps someone else can.
You might very well be right but I've been searching big time and can't find anything about that.
The only buyout articles I've found show what the Uni's have to pay coaches they fire without cause, eg, Mora just got over 11 mil from UCLA when he got canned.
What I've seen of Sabans deal is Bama would have to pay him over 22 mil if he has more than 4 years left on his contract if they fire him without cause. Nothing anywhere about him paying to get out of his deal.
I'm not saying you or anyone else is wrong about this, just I haven't seen anything,anywhere that says he or his new employer would have to pay Bama if he leaves. I could understand if he left for a similar D1 job but I haven't even seen anything about that.
1) Any place with an opening has problems
2) Any coach without a secure job that they totally want going forward has warts if not problems
Major Reason: None of them have any HC jobs just yet.
Who has the problem? Id say both. To get your ideal HC job you first have to succeed in the HC job you have. Then you can go from there.
But to have a HC job where you can show you can succeed...you have to be in a HC job
There are 32 teams. There are many more than 32 candidates.
My guess is that one factor in all this is the agents whose job it is to drum up options for their Coach. The more noise "he" could land in three or two places the possibility increases that they are nervous that they land nowhere or they don't yet have a good offer in hand.
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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
what is so "can't miss" about these 3 candidates? McDaniels is a proven flop away from the BB nest. Nobody actually knows what Patricia or any other BB assistant does. Every one of BB aides has been a flop except Bill O'Brien. Shurmur has the best track record as a coordinator building programs, but is no sure thing to be a successful HC, but of the 3, I think he's the best candidate.
My thoughts exactly. People are belly aching over missing out on those 3? Lol.
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.
I really hate this place @ times.
I hate to say it, but many Giants fans have proven to me that they are as bad, if not worse than cowboy and eagle fans. Putrid. Now I understand the distaste that other people have for Giant fans. How sad.
In comment 13778004 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.
Stop it. You are being foolish.
Holy shit the takes here by supposed fans suck horse cock.
I find your capitalization of words fascinating...
In comment 13778004 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.
Stop it. You are being foolish.
They clearly have holes, but that's why I added the qualifier "higher than a typical team picking that high".
They won 11 games the previous year. I stand by my statement.
Now before you respond to this post read through it 2 or 3 times, maybe take notes. Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
Also, adding multiple exclamation points doesn't improve for argument.