And Darnold will be the top two picks, if we don't want either you trade down, staying put to draft Barkley is the stupidest move the Giants can make, if they trade down, add picks, and still land Barkley, then it is a good move.
Which prospect currently predicted to last to the second round Â
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.
We have A veteran QB thats grossly overpaid is immobile can't extend a play doesn't make players around him better and constantly throws behind and high. No thanks Eli is done
QB is the most valuable position on the team, no question about it. Now if the Giants don't care for the top 2 QB's then other positions come into play.
I basically agree with your reasoning but there's no way this is a "no-brainer." There are a lot of reasonable ways to go: QB, RB, O-line, pass rusher, trade down...
You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.
You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.
You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.
You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.
You can get a decent RB later in the draft. You can't be a winning franchise without a decent QB.
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Orleans Darkwa averaged 4.4 YPC behind our OL this year. Imagine what a player who is 10x more talented than him can do with the OL if it is improved just a little bit.
That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?
Not even close.
I'm sorry but we get to continue to compare Barkley to Trent Richardson because Richardson was the 3rd pick in the draft and considered an elite talent. Everybody can talk about what a stiff he is now, but at the time he was drafted third overall nobody batted an eye.
Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...
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Trent is one of the best players in this draft -- in fact, some might say he is the best. He should impact right away for the team that drafts him. Every year we go through the experts suggesting that the NFL is a passing league and then about half-way through the season, teams who are losing begin to rely on the running game to start winning once again. You cannot go through the season and keep a healthy quarterback without the threat of a strong running game for defenses to worry about and game plan for. History has proven that many teams win with average quarterbacks who have excellent running backs in the back field. History has also proven that not many franchise quarterbacks succeed without a running game to balance the offense. It's simple -- the formula is excellent running game equals a lesser chance of the quarterback getting hit and injured. Trent will be a very successful running back and a multi-talented threat for all defenses on every down.
But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.
Who cares if he is more of a guarantee. Running backs don't drive offenses, franchise qb's do.
Was the last great Penn State running back, there have been Penn State running backs picked high that were busts, ask the Jets. A running back from the big 10 even is a red flag, I am always skeptical and would NEVER make him a #2 pick when you can trade back from their #2 pick because it is certain that there will be a couple of teams drooling to get one of these guys and you can add an extra first and second round pick, take a look at what the Eagles paid for the second pick when they took Wentz.
We can get a running back, an offensive lineman, and maybe even a QB if we trade back. Taking Barkley would be a horrible pick and a stupid move.
When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?
Not even close.
I'm sorry but we get to continue to compare Barkley to Trent Richardson because Richardson was the 3rd pick in the draft and considered an elite talent. Everybody can talk about what a stiff he is now, but at the time he was drafted third overall nobody batted an eye.
Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...
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Trent is one of the best players in this draft -- in fact, some might say he is the best. He should impact right away for the team that drafts him. Every year we go through the experts suggesting that the NFL is a passing league and then about half-way through the season, teams who are losing begin to rely on the running game to start winning once again. You cannot go through the season and keep a healthy quarterback without the threat of a strong running game for defenses to worry about and game plan for. History has proven that many teams win with average quarterbacks who have excellent running backs in the back field. History has also proven that not many franchise quarterbacks succeed without a running game to balance the offense. It's simple -- the formula is excellent running game equals a lesser chance of the quarterback getting hit and injured. Trent will be a very successful running back and a multi-talented threat for all defenses on every down.
But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.
Compare away if you choose - I see different players and don't think Barkley will be anything like Richardson.
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
Dude. That's not what I said. And secondly, Barkley isn't just a workout warrior. Have you watched him play? Read articles about his story or his upbringing? The combine process is everything from interviews to the on field stuff. This is a special kid by all accounts, any way you slice it.
How many times in the last decade has there not been a pretty highly-regarded Alabama RB in the draft?
Whether it's Richardson, Ingram, Lacy, Yeldon, Henry, Drake.. and now Harris/Scarborough, they always have highly-productive RB's.
That said, it hasn't always translated in the NFL. Richardson flopped. Lacy got off to a good start but his career is dwindling fast. Yeldon is nothing special. Ingram has been very good, Henry looks to be a good 2-down RB, Drake had a nice year, but the results are mixed.
PSU hasn't had a RB this highly-regarded since Larry Johnson unless I am missing someone.
To me, it's much harder to play for a school like Penn St. and be considered an elite RB prospect. It is much easier for young RB's to produce in Tuscaloosa.
Every team that played Penn St. went into the game saying "stop Barkley and no one else will beat us"
I'm not even a proponent of drafting him @ 2 - I just don't think Richardson is a good comp.
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
Very true, but when the best overall RB is also the best overall athlete that speaks volumes. I'm not saying take SB because there are a lot of very good running backs in this draft, but I'm not sure a lot of people realize just how strong, fast, and explosive Barkley really is. The numbers at the combine will prove it, no doubt. I haven't seen a back as good as he is since Peterson. We also can't discredit that he's also going to interview extremely well, and is the type of player the Giants could/would want in their locker room. He checks off A LOT of boxes is really what I'm saying.
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?
Jesus.
For whatever reason, RBs are hard to project from college to NFL Â
Which is funny because you would think they'd be the easiest position to project since they carry the ball so many times a game. I remember thinking Tim Biakabutuka was going to be a star. And do you remember Mike Rozier?
your inability to grasp basic concepts is frightening. College production has little to do with NFL potential. Odell Beckham averaged 47, 700 yards, and 4 TD a season at LSU.
the guy the Cowboys took #4 overall would have led the league in rushing his first 2 seasons in the league. Barkley is a much better prospect than Elliott was coming out.
When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
Silly thought process. Barkley disappeared in big games. Sony Michel excelled. Gym rats and workout warriors excel at the combine. What is on tape is more important. Put tape and combine together and then you have some evidence.
I suspect that a few RBs come close or exceed Barkley.
The combine will only show speed and bench presses.
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?
Because of what Penn State had in front of him and defenses going all out to stop Penn States strength.
The talent is undoubtedly there. He's a very special player. If he was on Dallas with their offensive line he'd be a human highlight reel every week on the NFL Network.
He's better than Zeke. Probably the best to come out since Peterson. He doesn't have Peterson's explosion but he does everything else well. He's an excellent blocker as a RB. His cutting ability is a bit Barry-esqe. Lastly, he's a triple threat with his running, catching, and as return specialist.
who calls something a no-brainer, a sure hit or a future star as if it is fact either hasn't followed the game for very long or isn't that intelligent.
But CM is a huge weapon as a receiver and multi purpose back. CM also really run between the tackles , which is the knock on Barkeley
Obviously, the situations are not identical but the fact that DG took s RB so high just last year suggests to me that Barkeley could be in play for the Giants.
saying "the kid is going to be a star" is my opinion based on watching him play for 3 seasons, reading about him, and keeping track of him off the field.
I'm not guaranteeing it, but he is, by all accounts, a better bet than anyone in this draft to succeed based on the NFL athleticism and kid that he is.
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.
A running back makes us an instant playoff team in a passing league that relies heavily on playmaker QBs? Sounds about right...
I don't think it's likely they would land him in a trade down scenario. I don't think he makes it out of the top 5.
If they feel a franchise QB is there they will undoubtedly take him.
We have A veteran QB thats grossly overpaid is immobile can't extend a play doesn't make players around him better and constantly throws behind and high. No thanks Eli is done
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Barkley makes your offense special. O lineman and scruboverrated QBs out of college don’t.
You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.
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You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.
You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.
You can get a decent RB later in the draft. You can't be a winning franchise without a decent QB.
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
+1
Not even close.
Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Orleans Darkwa averaged 4.4 YPC behind our OL this year. Imagine what a player who is 10x more talented than him can do with the OL if it is improved just a little bit.
Not even close.
Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...
But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.
Who cares if he is more of a guarantee. Running backs don't drive offenses, franchise qb's do.
We can get a running back, an offensive lineman, and maybe even a QB if we trade back. Taking Barkley would be a horrible pick and a stupid move.
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
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That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?
Not even close.
I'm sorry but we get to continue to compare Barkley to Trent Richardson because Richardson was the 3rd pick in the draft and considered an elite talent. Everybody can talk about what a stiff he is now, but at the time he was drafted third overall nobody batted an eye.
Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...
Quote:
Trent is one of the best players in this draft -- in fact, some might say he is the best. He should impact right away for the team that drafts him. Every year we go through the experts suggesting that the NFL is a passing league and then about half-way through the season, teams who are losing begin to rely on the running game to start winning once again. You cannot go through the season and keep a healthy quarterback without the threat of a strong running game for defenses to worry about and game plan for. History has proven that many teams win with average quarterbacks who have excellent running backs in the back field. History has also proven that not many franchise quarterbacks succeed without a running game to balance the offense. It's simple -- the formula is excellent running game equals a lesser chance of the quarterback getting hit and injured. Trent will be a very successful running back and a multi-talented threat for all defenses on every down.
But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.
Compare away if you choose - I see different players and don't think Barkley will be anything like Richardson.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
Dude. That's not what I said. And secondly, Barkley isn't just a workout warrior. Have you watched him play? Read articles about his story or his upbringing? The combine process is everything from interviews to the on field stuff. This is a special kid by all accounts, any way you slice it.
How many times in the last decade has there not been a pretty highly-regarded Alabama RB in the draft?
Whether it's Richardson, Ingram, Lacy, Yeldon, Henry, Drake.. and now Harris/Scarborough, they always have highly-productive RB's.
That said, it hasn't always translated in the NFL. Richardson flopped. Lacy got off to a good start but his career is dwindling fast. Yeldon is nothing special. Ingram has been very good, Henry looks to be a good 2-down RB, Drake had a nice year, but the results are mixed.
PSU hasn't had a RB this highly-regarded since Larry Johnson unless I am missing someone.
To me, it's much harder to play for a school like Penn St. and be considered an elite RB prospect. It is much easier for young RB's to produce in Tuscaloosa.
Every team that played Penn St. went into the game saying "stop Barkley and no one else will beat us"
I'm not even a proponent of drafting him @ 2 - I just don't think Richardson is a good comp.
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There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
Very true, but when the best overall RB is also the best overall athlete that speaks volumes. I'm not saying take SB because there are a lot of very good running backs in this draft, but I'm not sure a lot of people realize just how strong, fast, and explosive Barkley really is. The numbers at the combine will prove it, no doubt. I haven't seen a back as good as he is since Peterson. We also can't discredit that he's also going to interview extremely well, and is the type of player the Giants could/would want in their locker room. He checks off A LOT of boxes is really what I'm saying.
Are you actually this obtuse? You don't care about interviewing a kid before drafting him? You're joking right?
Jesus.
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When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
Silly thought process. Barkley disappeared in big games. Sony Michel excelled. Gym rats and workout warriors excel at the combine. What is on tape is more important. Put tape and combine together and then you have some evidence.
I suspect that a few RBs come close or exceed Barkley.
The combine will only show speed and bench presses.
Because of what Penn State had in front of him and defenses going all out to stop Penn States strength.
The talent is undoubtedly there. He's a very special player. If he was on Dallas with their offensive line he'd be a human highlight reel every week on the NFL Network.
He's better than Zeke. Probably the best to come out since Peterson. He doesn't have Peterson's explosion but he does everything else well. He's an excellent blocker as a RB. His cutting ability is a bit Barry-esqe. Lastly, he's a triple threat with his running, catching, and as return specialist.
He's the real deal.
Neither really helps add credence to the point?
Obviously, the situations are not identical but the fact that DG took s RB so high just last year suggests to me that Barkeley could be in play for the Giants.
I'm not guaranteeing it, but he is, by all accounts, a better bet than anyone in this draft to succeed based on the NFL athleticism and kid that he is.
A running back makes us an instant playoff team in a passing league that relies heavily on playmaker QBs? Sounds about right...