for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Barkley is a No-Brainer

Zepp : 1/9/2018 12:56 pm
QB should not be drafted by the Giants at 2. We can get a special player like Barkley and get a QB in the 2nd.

Video of Rich Eisen talking about Barkley’s value.
Link - ( New Window )
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
who do you think will be available in the second?  
Giants_West : 1/9/2018 12:57 pm : link
...
1)Whether he's a special player or not remains to be seen  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2018 12:58 pm : link
2)The draft is very deep at RB. Guys like Ronald Jones and Sony Michel will likely be there at the top of the 2nd when the Giants pick.
lol  
Default : 1/9/2018 12:59 pm : link
.
Not gonna Happen  
OC1973 : 1/9/2018 12:59 pm : link
A QB will be drafted if you know anything about this league.Most RBs don't last more than 5yrs at peak performance.
Rosen  
PaulN : 1/9/2018 1:00 pm : link
And Darnold will be the top two picks, if we don't want either you trade down, staying put to draft Barkley is the stupidest move the Giants can make, if they trade down, add picks, and still land Barkley, then it is a good move.
Which prospect currently predicted to last to the second round  
GiantFilthy : 1/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
would you consider a possible franchise QB?
Nope  
Zepp : 1/9/2018 1:04 pm : link
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.
I don't expect  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/9/2018 1:06 pm : link
the Giants to take Barkley, but I do think he's a special talent, and I wouldn't be upset if he were the pick.

I don't think it's likely they would land him in a trade down scenario. I don't think he makes it out of the top 5.

If they feel a franchise QB is there they will undoubtedly take him.
RE: Nope  
OC1973 : 1/9/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13780174 Zepp said:
Quote:
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.



We have A veteran QB thats grossly overpaid is immobile can't extend a play doesn't make players around him better and constantly throws behind and high. No thanks Eli is done
If we base our choice on your theory  
BronxBombers : 1/9/2018 1:07 pm : link
then you take the guard out of ND, Nelson, period...he is a "cant miss."

Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
If we base our choice on your theory  
BronxBombers : 1/9/2018 1:08 pm : link
then you take the guard out of ND, Nelson, period...he is a "cant miss."

Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).
Disagree  
mrvax : 1/9/2018 1:08 pm : link
QB is the most valuable position on the team, no question about it. Now if the Giants don't care for the top 2 QB's then other positions come into play.
RE: If we base our choice on your theory  
Zepp : 1/9/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13780183 BronxBombers said:
Quote:
then you take the guard out of ND, Nelson, period...he is a "cant miss."

Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).


Barkley makes your offense special. O lineman and scruboverrated QBs out of college don’t.
Yeah  
jeff57 : 1/9/2018 1:14 pm : link
You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.
@Zepp  
81_Great_Dane : 1/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
I basically agree with your reasoning but there's no way this is a "no-brainer." There are a lot of reasonable ways to go: QB, RB, O-line, pass rusher, trade down...
RE: Yeah  
Zepp : 1/9/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13780202 jeff57 said:
Quote:
You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.


You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2018 1:16 pm : link
No he isn't.
RE: RE: Yeah  
jeff57 : 1/9/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13780207 Zepp said:
Quote:
In comment 13780202 jeff57 said:


Quote:


You would have to have no brain to take him at 2, with a possible franchise QB sitting there.



You know what’s no brain. Taking someone that as you said POSSIBLY could be good over someone that is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game. That’s called clueless.


You can get a decent RB later in the draft. You can't be a winning franchise without a decent QB.
RE: If we base our choice on your theory  
Sec 103 : 1/9/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13780185 BronxBombers said:
Quote:
then you take the guard out of ND, Nelson, period...he is a "cant miss."

Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).

+1
No one is guaranteed to be one of the best players in the game  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2018 1:19 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2018 1:20 pm : link
That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?

Not even close.
Been  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:27 pm : link
saying it for awhile, I think he's the player we pick at #2 if we sign 1 or 2 starting OL in the offseason.
Greg  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:28 pm : link
we know from your previous threads that you don't think Barkley is all that special because he had similar stats to other college running backs.
RE: If we base our choice on your theory  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13780183 BronxBombers said:
Quote:


Barkley is nice, but cant do anything behind our line (see trent richardson).

Orleans Darkwa averaged 4.4 YPC behind our OL this year. Imagine what a player who is 10x more talented than him can do with the OL if it is improved just a little bit.
RE: .  
Milton : 1/9/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13780217 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?

Not even close.
I'm sorry but we get to continue to compare Barkley to Trent Richardson because Richardson was the 3rd pick in the draft and considered an elite talent. Everybody can talk about what a stiff he is now, but at the time he was drafted third overall nobody batted an eye.

Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...
Quote:
Trent is one of the best players in this draft -- in fact, some might say he is the best. He should impact right away for the team that drafts him. Every year we go through the experts suggesting that the NFL is a passing league and then about half-way through the season, teams who are losing begin to rely on the running game to start winning once again. You cannot go through the season and keep a healthy quarterback without the threat of a strong running game for defenses to worry about and game plan for. History has proven that many teams win with average quarterbacks who have excellent running backs in the back field. History has also proven that not many franchise quarterbacks succeed without a running game to balance the offense. It's simple -- the formula is excellent running game equals a lesser chance of the quarterback getting hit and injured. Trent will be a very successful running back and a multi-talented threat for all defenses on every down.

But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.
RE: Nope  
Dave in Buffalo : 1/9/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13780174 Zepp said:
Quote:
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.


Who cares if he is more of a guarantee. Running backs don't drive offenses, franchise qb's do.
Why take Barkley at 2  
ajr2456 : 1/9/2018 1:33 pm : link
When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?
I sure hope Gettleman spends a lot of time on BBI.  
CT Charlie : 1/9/2018 1:36 pm : link
It would certainly simplify the draft for him.
When  
PaulN : 1/9/2018 1:36 pm : link
Was the last great Penn State running back, there have been Penn State running backs picked high that were busts, ask the Jets. A running back from the big 10 even is a red flag, I am always skeptical and would NEVER make him a #2 pick when you can trade back from their #2 pick because it is certain that there will be a couple of teams drooling to get one of these guys and you can add an extra first and second round pick, take a look at what the Eagles paid for the second pick when they took Wentz.

We can get a running back, an offensive lineman, and maybe even a QB if we trade back. Taking Barkley would be a horrible pick and a stupid move.
RE: Why take Barkley at 2  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13780244 ajr2456 said:
Quote:
When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?

There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13780240 Milton said:
Quote:
In comment 13780217 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


That said - can we please not compare Saquon Barkley to Trent Richardson?

Not even close.

I'm sorry but we get to continue to compare Barkley to Trent Richardson because Richardson was the 3rd pick in the draft and considered an elite talent. Everybody can talk about what a stiff he is now, but at the time he was drafted third overall nobody batted an eye.

Here is a snippet from Boylhart's profile...

Quote:


Trent is one of the best players in this draft -- in fact, some might say he is the best. He should impact right away for the team that drafts him. Every year we go through the experts suggesting that the NFL is a passing league and then about half-way through the season, teams who are losing begin to rely on the running game to start winning once again. You cannot go through the season and keep a healthy quarterback without the threat of a strong running game for defenses to worry about and game plan for. History has proven that many teams win with average quarterbacks who have excellent running backs in the back field. History has also proven that not many franchise quarterbacks succeed without a running game to balance the offense. It's simple -- the formula is excellent running game equals a lesser chance of the quarterback getting hit and injured. Trent will be a very successful running back and a multi-talented threat for all defenses on every down.


But perhaps you would prefer to compare Barkley to Blair Thomas or Ron Brown because they went #2 overall and the Giants have the second pick in the draft.


Compare away if you choose - I see different players and don't think Barkley will be anything like Richardson.
RE: RE: Why take Barkley at 2  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13780253 ryanmkeane said:
Quote:
There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.


No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.
RE: RE: RE: Why take Barkley at 2  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13780257 Greg from LI said:
Quote:



No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.

Dude. That's not what I said. And secondly, Barkley isn't just a workout warrior. Have you watched him play? Read articles about his story or his upbringing? The combine process is everything from interviews to the on field stuff. This is a special kid by all accounts, any way you slice it.
You don't like  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:43 pm : link
Penn State or Barkley...we all get it. Dismiss him all you want - he's gonna be a star.
The fuck do I care about his interviews?  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2018 1:45 pm : link
I care about one thing, on-field performance. Until he (or any college player) steps on an NFL field and shines, he's not guaranteed to do anything.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2018 1:46 pm : link
Start with the schools.

How many times in the last decade has there not been a pretty highly-regarded Alabama RB in the draft?

Whether it's Richardson, Ingram, Lacy, Yeldon, Henry, Drake.. and now Harris/Scarborough, they always have highly-productive RB's.

That said, it hasn't always translated in the NFL. Richardson flopped. Lacy got off to a good start but his career is dwindling fast. Yeldon is nothing special. Ingram has been very good, Henry looks to be a good 2-down RB, Drake had a nice year, but the results are mixed.

PSU hasn't had a RB this highly-regarded since Larry Johnson unless I am missing someone.

To me, it's much harder to play for a school like Penn St. and be considered an elite RB prospect. It is much easier for young RB's to produce in Tuscaloosa.

Every team that played Penn St. went into the game saying "stop Barkley and no one else will beat us"

I'm not even a proponent of drafting him @ 2 - I just don't think Richardson is a good comp.
RE: RE: RE: Why take Barkley at 2  
Giantfootball025 : 1/9/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13780257 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
In comment 13780253 ryanmkeane said:


Quote:


There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.



No it won't. Workout warriors aren't always great NFL players.


Very true, but when the best overall RB is also the best overall athlete that speaks volumes. I'm not saying take SB because there are a lot of very good running backs in this draft, but I'm not sure a lot of people realize just how strong, fast, and explosive Barkley really is. The numbers at the combine will prove it, no doubt. I haven't seen a back as good as he is since Peterson. We also can't discredit that he's also going to interview extremely well, and is the type of player the Giants could/would want in their locker room. He checks off A LOT of boxes is really what I'm saying.
RE: The fuck do I care about his interviews?  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13780272 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
I care about one thing, on-field performance. Until he (or any college player) steps on an NFL field and shines, he's not guaranteed to do anything.

Are you actually this obtuse? You don't care about interviewing a kid before drafting him? You're joking right?
again  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2018 1:52 pm : link
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?
RE: again  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13780302 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?

Jesus.
For whatever reason, RBs are hard to project from college to NFL  
Milton : 1/9/2018 1:54 pm : link
Which is funny because you would think they'd be the easiest position to project since they carry the ball so many times a game. I remember thinking Tim Biakabutuka was going to be a star. And do you remember Mike Rozier?
Greg  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:56 pm : link
your inability to grasp basic concepts is frightening. College production has little to do with NFL potential. Odell Beckham averaged 47, 700 yards, and 4 TD a season at LSU.
If not for the suspension  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 1:57 pm : link
the guy the Cowboys took #4 overall would have led the league in rushing his first 2 seasons in the league. Barkley is a much better prospect than Elliott was coming out.
RE: R E: Why take Barkley at 2  
section125 : 1/9/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13780253 ryanmkeane said:
Quote:
In comment 13780244 ajr2456 said:


Quote:


When the gap between him, Guice and Michel isn’t that big?


There is this notion going around that guys like Guice and Michel are pretty much on par or a tad below Barkley. After the combine process ends, this myth will be erased.


Silly thought process. Barkley disappeared in big games. Sony Michel excelled. Gym rats and workout warriors excel at the combine. What is on tape is more important. Put tape and combine together and then you have some evidence.

I suspect that a few RBs come close or exceed Barkley.
The combine will only show speed and bench presses.
RE: again  
Canton : 1/9/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13780302 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
If he's THAT strong and THAT fast and THAT explosive, why isn't his production head and shoulders above his peers? Why was he held under 100 yards in 8 of 13 games?


Because of what Penn State had in front of him and defenses going all out to stop Penn States strength.

The talent is undoubtedly there. He's a very special player. If he was on Dallas with their offensive line he'd be a human highlight reel every week on the NFL Network.

He's better than Zeke. Probably the best to come out since Peterson. He doesn't have Peterson's explosion but he does everything else well. He's an excellent blocker as a RB. His cutting ability is a bit Barry-esqe. Lastly, he's a triple threat with his running, catching, and as return specialist.

He's the real deal.
Arguably the best player in the draft  
Canton : 1/9/2018 2:03 pm : link
.
Anyone..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2018 2:04 pm : link
who calls something a no-brainer, a sure hit or a future star as if it is fact either hasn't followed the game for very long or isn't that intelligent.

Neither really helps add credence to the point?
DG did take Christian Mc #8  
Vanzetti : 1/9/2018 2:08 pm : link
But CM is a huge weapon as a receiver and multi purpose back. CM also really run between the tackles , which is the knock on Barkeley

Obviously, the situations are not identical but the fact that DG took s RB so high just last year suggests to me that Barkeley could be in play for the Giants.
FMiC  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 2:09 pm : link
saying "the kid is going to be a star" is my opinion based on watching him play for 3 seasons, reading about him, and keeping track of him off the field.

I'm not guaranteeing it, but he is, by all accounts, a better bet than anyone in this draft to succeed based on the NFL athleticism and kid that he is.
RE: Nope  
GiantFanInTX : 1/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13780174 Zepp said:
Quote:
Barkley is more of a guarantee of being a special player than Rosen or Darnold. You guys act as if there are no QBs that busy. Barkley makes the offense an instant playoff caliber one. We have a vet QB that can still play and a young one. We can get another young one to compete later. We need a RB and sorry scrub RBs don’t become special players.


A running back makes us an instant playoff team in a passing league that relies heavily on playmaker QBs? Sounds about right...
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner