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What do you guys think of Paul Perkins?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 1:59 pm
Really strange tale.

He had a respectable rookie season. 112 carries for 456 yards (4.1 yards per carry). He started the regular-season finale in 2016 and the playoff game. Arrow seemed to be pointing up.

He starts the first four games of 2017 and is really disappointing. He hurts his ribs and never gets his playing time back from Darkwa and Gallman. Ends up with just 41 carries for 90 yards (2.2 yards per carry).
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
is probably his best play as a rookie... - ( New Window )
Really disappointed  
OdellBeckhamJr : 1/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
I had high hopes for him after last season, his skillset I thought would make him at the very least, a serviceable starter.
Got hurt, sophomore jinx.  
TC : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
A lot of 2nd year Giants players regress. Don't know why.

He looked gun-shy this season compared to last. Thinking too much? No confidence in the OL? Got hurt and doesn't like it? Inhaling Giants' negativity in the locker room? Crappy position coach who hadn't yet worked his magic on Gallman?
He is long limbed  
RAIN : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
High center of gravity runner, without the redeeming quality of size. He is a one cut guy, whom needs a hole to really get going. He looked demonstratively bigger this year which seems to have slowed his marginal speed in this offense. He regressed, along with the rest of the team.

Not ready to give up on him, but Gallman is much more sudden with the same size, also seems to be more tenacious.

In short, not a fan of the athleticism and may not have the mindset to compete with adversity. Seems like a Reese/Ross pick.

Tiki did the same thing  
Vanzetti : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
And we donít how much Perkins injury affected him. He also seemed hesitant to me, as if he was overthinking and not just running instinctively. Happens to a lot of players.

That said, he is more of a backup than a starter. About what you would expect from a fourth round pick.

Donít see him unseating Gallman, who played very well
I wonder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:26 pm : link
if he could become a Shane Vereen type player.
Matt M. : 1/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
After the draft last year, I thought he would be the single biggest steal in the draft. I thought (and still think) he is the most talented/athletic RB on the roster. I was optimistic based on his end to the year last year. When he got hurt, I thought the running game would still struggle, as the problems were solely the OL being so bad. But, after McAdoo gave up playcalling and we committed a little more, we saw improvement in the running game from both Darkwa and Gallman. So, now I think maybe I overestimated Perkins' ability for the pro game by a lot and he just sucks. What was most surprising to me was his lack of production as a receiving option.

I suppose with an improved OL maybe he improves. But, I wouldn't have him in my plans for next year right now.
Showed up Fat and Slow  
Rafflee : 1/9/2018 2:29 pm : link
BocaGiants91 : 1/9/2018 2:35 pm : link
Itís pretty much out there that the advanced stats say he and Rob Kelley were the worst RBs in the NFL last year that got carries. The eye test concurs. Heís going to be a camp cut next year maybe sooner if they draft/sign some RBs
I think Perkins got screwed by the O line woes  
adamg : 1/9/2018 2:38 pm : link
I think he would have played a lot better had he gotten a crack behind a Jones-Fluker tandem. I also wished they played him more once the running game picked up. Even a 10 carry game would have been a huge barometer going into next year. As is, I'd keep him around and see if he can build on his pass catching ability. I'd also add a back in the draft and FA just in case, but I think he could have a role still.
You guys ...........  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/9/2018 2:38 pm : link
Perkins will be a good RB for us. The Offensive Line was horrible trying to block for the run early in the year when Perkins was starting. He will make many of you eat your words.
I dont think he was slow of foot  
Dankbeerman : 1/9/2018 2:43 pm : link
as much as in the head. He hesistated a lot this year. Dont know if it was system based as the entire running game early was slow deleay/draw type runs.

Darkwa looked good because he ran straight at it. Gallman ran hard and was a very one cut up the feild and accelerate type.

Think Perkins would benifit from running out of a deep set and getting the ball at full speed instead of standing next to the qb.

He is more of a slide and slash type back which could be the complement to Gallman. I think a line that drives guys off the ball would help him too. the line he played behind at best just turned guys away from the play
HomerJones45 : 1/9/2018 2:45 pm : link
we need to stop seeing great things in mediocrities.
We'll Find Out This Summer  
Rong5611 : 1/9/2018 2:49 pm : link
He'll come to camp, new coaches, new schemes, and likely more competition at RB. Hopefully we will have a potentially better O-Line as well.

We'll find out how good he is during camp.
153 carries  
XBRONX : 1/9/2018 2:55 pm : link
longest run 22 yards, tells the story.
RE: Sucks  
DonQuixote : 1/9/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13780436 HomerJones45 said:
we need to stop seeing great things in mediocrities.

We need to stop evaluating young players based on their performance this year in this dysfunctional environment. Except for Snacks, even our best players had a down year.
Heíll get another chance to compete  
Simms11 : 1/9/2018 3:06 pm : link
with a new coaching staff coming in. Competition is good, but Iíd also add another RB to the mix. We have NOBODY that teams fear back there.
RE: I wonder  
Emil : 1/9/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13780386 Eric from BBI said:
if he could become a Shane Vereen type player.

This is my thought. He has a lot of the same traits. Vereen may run better routes (he's one of the best at the position) but in a short time Perkins has shown an ability to make plays in space and has good hands. I think he is a natural fit as the 3rd down/receiving back.

Gallman strikes me as the change of pace guy right now, who could be an every down back of he got stronger in the lower body and worked on some minor ball security issues.
old man : 1/9/2018 3:19 pm : link
Whatever O scheme McAdoo was running...which I never really figured out...and the doghouse(however he got there)...I have no idea.
He may be a light weight Ron 'Straight Ahead or Bust' Dayne..or a prime years Vereen.
I hope he gets a fair shot at our new O...or find a way to use him; though as a 4th round pick it doesn't hurt nearly as much as the lackluster play of Flowers and Apple.
Perkins was a different player in college and his rookie year.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/9/2018 3:34 pm : link
I don't know what's going on there. In college, he was good for yards after contact, IIRC. He was also a good receiver. I don't know whether he was being used wrong, or just wasn't good enough once there was film on him, or what.

Remember, football players struggle at work for the same reasons anyone else does: Family trouble (see Apple, Eli), relationship trouble, depression, disappointment with the job, bad relationship with co-workers or bosses... plus all the football-only things.
RE: It still bugs me  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/9/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13780362 crackerjack465 said:
that Jordan Howard was the next pick.

It should. Just like Simmons for Denver was passed up at S and we took Thompson. All GMs Miss. But the rarity of success outside Rounds 1 and 2 by Reese over his tenure should have been an issue
Addressed years ago.

Very disappointed that he wasn't given Vereen's role  
SLIM_ : 1/9/2018 4:39 pm : link
by the end of the year.

I thought he was going to be a nice player looking at last year and then he got hurt. It was good to see what Gallman can do and Darkwa is still young enough to give him the carries that he got.

I was a big Vereen fan but I think he is about done. I really wanted to see if Perkins (was great in pass pro last year) could at least serve that niche. If he was able prove it this year, I don't think a rb group of Gallman/Darkwa/Vereen would be that bad.

He just wasnt' given that opportunity for whatever reason.
Perkins looked a lot slower than last year  
mfsd : 1/9/2018 4:46 pm : link
Seemed to have zero burst. Iím with those who question whether or not he was in shape coming into camp this season.
Some fans sure are funny.  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2018 4:59 pm : link
At the end of 2016 people were screaming for this guy to get more playing time and he played well when given opportunities. He was going to be the next great back.

Now he has a poor sophmore slump (not uncommon for players) and suddenly hes not athletic enough. Suddenly its some physical quality that has magically disappeared since his rookie season.

I think its more likely mental than physical. Perkins, like some other young players on this roster last season, just didnt care. Wasnt hungry. Didnt want it anymore because it was HANDED to him in training camp with no competition. Then unceremoniously taken away during the season. His head wasnt in it this year.

I think we will see a new man in 2018.
don't know  
bc4life : 1/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
shit OLine, questionable play calling, not enough of a resume. let's see what he can do with new staff and people blocking
Looked slow this year but...  
djstat : 1/9/2018 5:06 pm : link
The OL was awful...
He does not put fear in a DC  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/9/2018 5:38 pm : link
Plain fact... we need a RB who puts FEAR in a defense. FEAR maintains the order of things.
He looked slow, tentative, indecisive  
JonC : 1/9/2018 5:41 pm : link
perhaps even afraid to get hit, unsure if he was just unprepared for war or he's just ordinary.
He looked slow, tentative, indecisive  
JonC : 1/9/2018 5:41 pm : link
perhaps even afraid to get hit, unsure if he was just unprepared for war or he's just ordinary.
Great poat  
DavidinBMNY : 1/9/2018 5:43 pm : link
One of the interesting things is he played a bit once McAdoo was gone.

IMHO, Perkins can only start on an NFL team with a very strong OL. I thought he was running timid this year, but I am no expert. My feeling is Perkins has 3 down capabilities but 1 or 2 down durability.

I always felt he was best suited for a Vereen or Sproles like role and I think he can excel in that regard.
Too indecisive  
Peppers : 1/9/2018 5:44 pm : link
Our oline being as poor as they were needed a decisive one cut back. If there was a hole it wasn't going to be there for long, cant have a guy dancing around back there.
I don't know  
Andrew in Austin : 1/9/2018 5:52 pm : link
Perkins looked a lot slower this year than last year. Not sure if injured or bulked up a bit to handle being the primary ball carrier and slowed down somewhat.

Whomever said we saw Gallman looking like Perkins of the year before was spot on.

capegman : 1/9/2018 6:06 pm : link
think he's too soft to run between the tackles and not fast enough/ not enough moves to run outside. If he sticks around he'll have to develop into a receiving back fast. He seems to have some good ability to do something with a screen pass.
He showed enough as a rookie to get another look.  
Ira : 1/9/2018 6:28 pm : link
He isn't the fastest or the strongest (neither is Gallman), but Perkins can cut as well as anyone.
He was given a raw deal this year  
NYG_Jase : 1/9/2018 6:49 pm : link
Named the starter before training camp , put some pressure on him while at the same time the line deteriorated, and none of the backs had much success. Mac also got away from the run while he was play calling.

Perhaps it shook his confidence (just like Eli in his 2-3 yrd passes, feeling pressure when there was none etc). I feel like the O-line deterioration as well as the system and play calling had a lot to do with it. multiple O-line players and tweeks all year.

As Mara said it was the perfect storm. I believe Perkins should get the opportunity to compete in the OTAís and training with Gallman In the mix also and see what we have. The kid did look impressive as a possible starter in 2016. Perkins and Gallman could be a 1-2 punch

I had high hopes for him  
TDMaker85 : 1/9/2018 7:00 pm : link
Looked to me like he put on too much weight (in an attempt to bulk up for a long season?) and thus had no burst.
Perkins, Darkwa and Gallman are mid-level JAGs  
SHO'NUFF : 1/9/2018 8:04 pm : link
Perkins might be a level lower. He has no vision. Darkwa sees a hole and he hits it. Gallman has skills but the speed is lacking.
Watch his college tape  
Dave on the UWS : 1/9/2018 8:15 pm : link
his vision was his strongpoint. What's happened to him in the pros is a good question
he is mediocre at best right now  
blueblood : 1/9/2018 8:18 pm : link
and I dont know if he gets much better
Dragon : 1/9/2018 8:22 pm : link
Has talent just not sure how it balances out with Gallman at this point both good but not great at any facet of HB position. At present the only two backs I would bring back, Darkwa and Vereen are vets not worth the money with long injured history. Giants will most likely draft one and sign two or more UDFA one of the easier positions to fill on a team any year.
he's a JAG  
GiantsFan84 : 1/9/2018 8:31 pm : link
doesn't have the burst needed for the NFL and took a huge step back this year. time to move on
Perkins was  
Bill in TN : 1/9/2018 8:32 pm : link
a 5th round pick. Gallman was a 4th. Neither are probably nothing more than backups or role players.
For some reason  
Matt in SGS : 1/9/2018 9:35 pm : link
he's the Giant of the Month for the 2018 calendar for January. So there is that.
The fact of the matter is that he  
barens : 1/10/2018 9:20 am : link
was a fifth round pick, and he's an ok player. He seemed dinged up early on, but really, overall, he's not irreplaceable.
I thought he had genuine promise  
Glover : 1/10/2018 10:26 am : link
after his rookie year, and then his second year he looked terrible. Made us all want Orleans Darkwa. I know the O line was shit, but Darkwa made more out of the nothing provided than Perkins did. He will be competing for a job next season.
RE: I thought he had genuine promise  
arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13781321 Glover said:
after his rookie year, and then his second year he looked terrible. Made us all want Orleans Darkwa. I know the O line was shit, but Darkwa made more out of the nothing provided than Perkins did. He will be competing for a job next season.

Darkwa ran behind a better configuration for the most part.

Before Perkins got hurt, he was running behind Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Hart and the right side was especially pathetic in trying to run block. He was getting hit behind the line routinely.

I would give Perkins another good look before I wrote him off because I think with better blocking, he could absolutely be a decent rotational back.
Think they go RB.....  
Sect 146 : 1/10/2018 11:01 am : link
pretty high in the draft this year as there are quite a few quality players to be had. If this occurs we may see some drastic turnover at that position. As some have pointed out there is nothing to FEAR out of the backfield now and I think all these guys are JAGs. Would think the guys still on rookie contracts will be given the most consideration (Gallman & Perkins) with the rest on the outside looking in once we pick a 3 down threat in this year's draft.
Not much  
Carson53 : 1/10/2018 12:04 pm : link
They can draft another one. Move on from Perkins and
Ben, I mean Shane Vereen. I would be surprised if they
draft one before the 4th or 5th round myself.
as a rule RBs don't have long careers because  
Jersey55 : 1/10/2018 4:24 pm : link
of the beating they take on their bodies and for that reason they have to impress quickly or sit the bench or get cut....
Perkins does not  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/12/2018 2:03 pm : link
Put fear in a defense. We need to add the element of FEAR that is what Zeke gives you at RB..FEAR.
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