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What do you guys think of Paul Perkins?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 1:59 pm
Really strange tale.

He had a respectable rookie season. 112 carries for 456 yards (4.1 yards per carry). He started the regular-season finale in 2016 and the playoff game. Arrow seemed to be pointing up.

He starts the first four games of 2017 and is really disappointing. He hurts his ribs and never gets his playing time back from Darkwa and Gallman. Ends up with just 41 carries for 90 yards (2.2 yards per carry).
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Third string  
jeff57 : 1/9/2018 2:00 pm : link
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Replacement level player...  
Chris in Philly : 1/9/2018 2:01 pm : link
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Hoping for a rebound...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/9/2018 2:03 pm : link
not seeing him as a true feature back in this league however. I think his ceiling is as a Vereen replacement (what Vereen was supposed to be coming here).
Seems the same stuff we’re saying  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/9/2018 2:03 pm : link
About Gallman was the same stuff we said about Perkins last year...
Doesn't have the burst required to be an NFL player.  
BLUATHRT : 1/9/2018 2:03 pm : link
Also doesn't create any of his own space, break tackles or anything particularly well.
would have like to see him get  
bluepepper : 1/9/2018 2:03 pm : link
another look the last few weeks of the season but evaluating personnel didn't seem to be a priority. Needed to get that 3rd W.
first ballot HoF'er  
Banks : 1/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
I don't rewatch games anymore and surely no expert, but I'm not sure he has the vision to be a starter. When I see Darkwa run, I see him find whatever hole he has and get through it best he can. I don't see that with that Perkins. He just runs straight ahead wherever the play is dictated. He'll never get you that extra yard.
was his rookie season better that Andre WIlliams'? Probably not.  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
And Williams is nearly out of football. Perkins definitely more versatile, but nothing special. Gallman just better.
At years end (last few games)  
Beer Man : 1/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
He seemed to be running a lot more decisively on the few chances he received. Most likely a future change of pace / 3rd down back. It will depend on which back shows up to the 2018 camp; 2016 or 2017 Perkins. If the 2017 Perkins shows up, he's likely gone.
If he was going to be something  
Giants_West : 1/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
He would have by now, let him go somewhere else and try his luck there
RE: Seems the same stuff we’re saying  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13780322 McNally's_Nuts said:
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About Gallman was the same stuff we said about Perkins last year...


There are indeed similarities in terms of productivity and playing time.
Like Gallman  
Chip : 1/9/2018 2:10 pm : link
He is a good back up.
I think we need the Patriots  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/9/2018 2:10 pm : link
database analytics to figure out the answer to this.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:11 pm : link
What I don't know is this: there wasn't a commitment to the run early on in the season in terms of play-calling and personnel. When guys like Fluker and Ellison played more, and the Giants committed to the run more, the productivity went way up (2 yards per carry to 4).

How much of that was due to the running backs?

This is why I wanted Perkins to play later in the season again.
I think he's thought of as a camp body  
DennyInDenville : 1/9/2018 2:12 pm : link
Potential to earn a job. Most likely 3rd/4th RB

Gallman is much better, Darkwa is better also.

I would grab another RB, have Gallman and Darkwa splitting backup duties

Get rid of Vareen and Perkins can compete for 3rd/4th RB

Perkins appears to lack any ideal speed, vision, and even toughness possibly. Not good things to lack as an NFL RB.

Perkins  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2018 2:12 pm : link
just isn't the athlete that a good RB in the NFL needs to be. He has pretty good lateral quickness, but zero burst and takes him a bit to get going. Which is why he's good in the open field, but not as a 15-20 carry RB in the league.
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arcarsenal : 1/9/2018 2:13 pm : link
I made a thread about how I was impressed with Gallman this year, but Perkins was a guy I specifically mentioned as a bit of a "cautionary tale" because of how optimistic we were about him this time last year and the season he followed up with.

I think running behind an abysmal OL configuration and horrendous playcalling before he got injured played roles in his disappointing year.

I would give him another shot before I wrote him off. He had a couple of impressive runs in pre when he had a little room. When the season started, he was routinely getting hit behind the LOS.

Let him get healthy and compete for a job next season. Too early to give up on him and this season made it very difficult to evaluate players.
Bulking up threw him off ?  
Spider56 : 1/9/2018 2:13 pm : link
I really liked him coming out of college but it looks to me like he bulked up and lost some of the quickness he needed for his fame ... can he get it back ?
This  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:14 pm : link
was his only regular-season start in 2016.
YouTube - ( New Window )
It still bugs me  
crackerjack465 : 1/9/2018 2:15 pm : link
that Jordan Howard was the next pick.
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
is probably his best play as a rookie...
https://youtu.be/4gTXUyL5niE?t=8s - ( New Window )
Really disappointed  
OdellBeckhamJr : 1/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
I had high hopes for him after last season, his skillset I thought would make him at the very least, a serviceable starter.
Got hurt, sophomore jinx.  
TC : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
A lot of 2nd year Giants players regress. Don't know why.

He looked gun-shy this season compared to last. Thinking too much? No confidence in the OL? Got hurt and doesn't like it? Inhaling Giants' negativity in the locker room? Crappy position coach who hadn't yet worked his magic on Gallman?
He is long limbed  
RAIN : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
High center of gravity runner, without the redeeming quality of size. He is a one cut guy, whom needs a hole to really get going. He looked demonstratively bigger this year which seems to have slowed his marginal speed in this offense. He regressed, along with the rest of the team.

Not ready to give up on him, but Gallman is much more sudden with the same size, also seems to be more tenacious.

In short, not a fan of the athleticism and may not have the mindset to compete with adversity. Seems like a Reese/Ross pick.

Tiki did the same thing  
Vanzetti : 1/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
And we don’t how much Perkins injury affected him. He also seemed hesitant to me, as if he was overthinking and not just running instinctively. Happens to a lot of players.

That said, he is more of a backup than a starter. About what you would expect from a fourth round pick.

Don’t see him unseating Gallman, who played very well
I wonder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2018 2:26 pm : link
if he could become a Shane Vereen type player.
Eric  
Matt M. : 1/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
After the draft last year, I thought he would be the single biggest steal in the draft. I thought (and still think) he is the most talented/athletic RB on the roster. I was optimistic based on his end to the year last year. When he got hurt, I thought the running game would still struggle, as the problems were solely the OL being so bad. But, after McAdoo gave up playcalling and we committed a little more, we saw improvement in the running game from both Darkwa and Gallman. So, now I think maybe I overestimated Perkins' ability for the pro game by a lot and he just sucks. What was most surprising to me was his lack of production as a receiving option.

I suppose with an improved OL maybe he improves. But, I wouldn't have him in my plans for next year right now.
Showed up Fat and Slow  
Rafflee : 1/9/2018 2:29 pm : link
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Perkins  
BocaGiants91 : 1/9/2018 2:35 pm : link
It’s pretty much out there that the advanced stats say he and Rob Kelley were the worst RBs in the NFL last year that got carries. The eye test concurs. He’s going to be a camp cut next year maybe sooner if they draft/sign some RBs
I think Perkins got screwed by the O line woes  
adamg : 1/9/2018 2:38 pm : link
I think he would have played a lot better had he gotten a crack behind a Jones-Fluker tandem. I also wished they played him more once the running game picked up. Even a 10 carry game would have been a huge barometer going into next year. As is, I'd keep him around and see if he can build on his pass catching ability. I'd also add a back in the draft and FA just in case, but I think he could have a role still.
You guys ...........  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/9/2018 2:38 pm : link
Perkins will be a good RB for us. The Offensive Line was horrible trying to block for the run early in the year when Perkins was starting. He will make many of you eat your words.
I dont think he was slow of foot  
Dankbeerman : 1/9/2018 2:43 pm : link
as much as in the head. He hesistated a lot this year. Dont know if it was system based as the entire running game early was slow deleay/draw type runs.

Darkwa looked good because he ran straight at it. Gallman ran hard and was a very one cut up the feild and accelerate type.

Think Perkins would benifit from running out of a deep set and getting the ball at full speed instead of standing next to the qb.

He is more of a slide and slash type back which could be the complement to Gallman. I think a line that drives guys off the ball would help him too. the line he played behind at best just turned guys away from the play
Sucks  
HomerJones45 : 1/9/2018 2:45 pm : link
we need to stop seeing great things in mediocrities.
We'll Find Out This Summer  
Rong5611 : 1/9/2018 2:49 pm : link
He'll come to camp, new coaches, new schemes, and likely more competition at RB. Hopefully we will have a potentially better O-Line as well.

We'll find out how good he is during camp.
153 carries  
XBRONX : 1/9/2018 2:55 pm : link
longest run 22 yards, tells the story.
RE: Sucks  
DonQuixote : 1/9/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13780436 HomerJones45 said:
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we need to stop seeing great things in mediocrities.


We need to stop evaluating young players based on their performance this year in this dysfunctional environment. Except for Snacks, even our best players had a down year.
He’ll get another chance to compete  
Simms11 : 1/9/2018 3:06 pm : link
with a new coaching staff coming in. Competition is good, but I’d also add another RB to the mix. We have NOBODY that teams fear back there.
RE: I wonder  
Emil : 1/9/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13780386 Eric from BBI said:
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if he could become a Shane Vereen type player.


This is my thought. He has a lot of the same traits. Vereen may run better routes (he's one of the best at the position) but in a short time Perkins has shown an ability to make plays in space and has good hands. I think he is a natural fit as the 3rd down/receiving back.

Gallman strikes me as the change of pace guy right now, who could be an every down back of he got stronger in the lower body and worked on some minor ball security issues.
Between  
old man : 1/9/2018 3:19 pm : link
Whatever O scheme McAdoo was running...which I never really figured out...and the doghouse(however he got there)...I have no idea.
He may be a light weight Ron 'Straight Ahead or Bust' Dayne..or a prime years Vereen.
I hope he gets a fair shot at our new O...or find a way to use him; though as a 4th round pick it doesn't hurt nearly as much as the lackluster play of Flowers and Apple.
Perkins was a different player in college and his rookie year.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/9/2018 3:34 pm : link
I don't know what's going on there. In college, he was good for yards after contact, IIRC. He was also a good receiver. I don't know whether he was being used wrong, or just wasn't good enough once there was film on him, or what.

Remember, football players struggle at work for the same reasons anyone else does: Family trouble (see Apple, Eli), relationship trouble, depression, disappointment with the job, bad relationship with co-workers or bosses... plus all the football-only things.
RE: It still bugs me  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/9/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13780362 crackerjack465 said:
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that Jordan Howard was the next pick.


It should. Just like Simmons for Denver was passed up at S and we took Thompson. All GMs Miss. But the rarity of success outside Rounds 1 and 2 by Reese over his tenure should have been an issue
Addressed years ago.

Very disappointed that he wasn't given Vereen's role  
SLIM_ : 1/9/2018 4:39 pm : link
by the end of the year.

I thought he was going to be a nice player looking at last year and then he got hurt. It was good to see what Gallman can do and Darkwa is still young enough to give him the carries that he got.

I was a big Vereen fan but I think he is about done. I really wanted to see if Perkins (was great in pass pro last year) could at least serve that niche. If he was able prove it this year, I don't think a rb group of Gallman/Darkwa/Vereen would be that bad.

He just wasnt' given that opportunity for whatever reason.
Perkins looked a lot slower than last year  
mfsd : 1/9/2018 4:46 pm : link
Seemed to have zero burst. I’m with those who question whether or not he was in shape coming into camp this season.
Some fans sure are funny.  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2018 4:59 pm : link
At the end of 2016 people were screaming for this guy to get more playing time and he played well when given opportunities. He was going to be the next great back.

Now he has a poor sophmore slump (not uncommon for players) and suddenly hes not athletic enough. Suddenly its some physical quality that has magically disappeared since his rookie season.

I think its more likely mental than physical. Perkins, like some other young players on this roster last season, just didnt care. Wasnt hungry. Didnt want it anymore because it was HANDED to him in training camp with no competition. Then unceremoniously taken away during the season. His head wasnt in it this year.

I think we will see a new man in 2018.
don't know  
bc4life : 1/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
shit OLine, questionable play calling, not enough of a resume. let's see what he can do with new staff and people blocking
Looked slow this year but...  
djstat : 1/9/2018 5:06 pm : link
The OL was awful...
He does not put fear in a DC  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/9/2018 5:38 pm : link
Plain fact... we need a RB who puts FEAR in a defense. FEAR maintains the order of things.
He looked slow, tentative, indecisive  
JonC : 1/9/2018 5:41 pm : link
perhaps even afraid to get hit, unsure if he was just unprepared for war or he's just ordinary.
He looked slow, tentative, indecisive  
JonC : 1/9/2018 5:41 pm : link
perhaps even afraid to get hit, unsure if he was just unprepared for war or he's just ordinary.
Great poat  
DavidinBMNY : 1/9/2018 5:43 pm : link
One of the interesting things is he played a bit once McAdoo was gone.

IMHO, Perkins can only start on an NFL team with a very strong OL. I thought he was running timid this year, but I am no expert. My feeling is Perkins has 3 down capabilities but 1 or 2 down durability.

I always felt he was best suited for a Vereen or Sproles like role and I think he can excel in that regard.
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