Look, that would be great, but it just does not seem realistic. Either would cost a fortune. Saban would cost millions to buy out of Alabama and Belichick can't leave the Pats unless the Giants fork over major compensation to the Pats, which will include premium draft picks.
I seem to recall the Giants (George Young) passed on a young DC named Bill because he felt he could not handle the NY media. Hard to believe they hired another guy named Ray instead.
RE: The interview process will not be complete until Tisch partipates. Â
why even bother with the Pats guys. You know they are going to piss all over the media. Bill gets away with it because you can do what you want when you win that much.
RE: Somehow Wilks is carrying the burden of Ben McAdoo's failure Â
and I have interest from multiple teams, I'd do ALL my interviews before deciding. Why shouldn't he? It's called due diligence, and I'd be sort of concerned if Wilks didn't do his.
This isn't the same as a FA player who's gonna sign before he leaves the building.
Point: That he left the building doesn't mean anything. Providing the Giants liked what he said and want him (and vice versa), he could still end up being the guy.
I'd say don't overreact, but that's pointless at BBI.
Why so much adoration for someone who has one year of DC experience? Let the process play out. The Giants need to be careful before they decide who they should hire. Mara started out with certain criteria that he was looking for, and Wilks does not meet all of that criteria. That does not mean he has been ruled out. It does mean that Mara wants to think this over more. After the McAdoo disaster they need to make a decision based on the record and sound football judgment, and not emotions. Wilks links to DG and the fact that he was a DC and not an AC could turn things in his favor. But he is only one of a number of candidates.
They were ready to hire him and the press conference was set for 5pm Â
imho, I wouldn't trust this hire if they did considering what just took place. Doesn't mean the guy would completely fail, but you'd have to look at a more secure hire this time around
Its crazy that nothing has leaked out since we started interviews. If something has leaked out its all different stories. Some say Wilks is the pick, some say hes not being considered at all.
Its crazy that nothing has leaked out since we started interviews. If something has leaked out its all different stories. Some say Wilks is the pick, some say hes not being considered at all.
Not much has leaked out from the other teams looking for coaches as well. The Nagy hiring by the Bears was a surprise.
been offered a job yet? Yes, I have heard that McD is likely going to Indy and that Patriia to Detroit is a favorite and also that they cant be OFFERED a gig until the Pats are done playing.
Seriously some of you need to get a grip.
Yes, the Bears hired Matt Nagy yesterday.
Gotcha. Fairly under the radar name. Probably trying to capture some of that Andy Reid QB magic that rubbed off on Doug Pederson.
loved Wilks, they could've announced him as the next head coach before he ever left the building, unlike Shurmur and that NE guys.
I think this is somewhat telling that they weren't blown away by Wilks and are still holding out for one of the other guys still in the playoffs.
based on what precedent? Remember Tisch hasn’t met the others yet. So many in BBI buy into dumb rhetoric cause some fool posts that they have a “source” who tells them something. New regime. Perhaps it was a bad interview. Perhaps it was the best ever and they are doing their due dillegence. Remember and interview is only one piece of the puzzle. Too many of you have never been in management have you? If an interview amazes you, you probably should be more cautious.
Why isn’t there a need to fabricate angles and stories? Â
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
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Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer said last month Shurmur’s adaptability and communication with Keenum have been keys.
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
Quote:
Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer said last month Shurmur’s adaptability and communication with Keenum have been keys.
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
I am starting to get more and more on the Shurmur banwagon. His tenure in Cleveland was not even close to the abomination that was McDaniels in Denver. In fact, 9 wins is quite impressive when you consider his QB was Weeden and #1 WR was Greg Little for 1 if those years. But if you watch Vikings games, the play call is really impressive. He uses his personnel and plays to their strengths and it seems like they have guys wide open for long gains and TD’s constantly. Plus, he is doing this all with Case Keemun while McDaniels is working with Brady. Not saying McDaniels is a bad option, but I really wanted him earlier in the process but after reading more about Shurmur, I’ve changed my mind a bit. Also, look at Bradford’s numbers last year- 22TD, 5INT and a 72% completion percentage. This is 2 years in a row where Shurmur has worked his magic with a journeyman type of QB.
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
Quote:
Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer said last month Shurmur’s adaptability and communication with Keenum have been keys.
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
I'm not trying to play the contrarian here, but the point of Shurmur having served as a position coach in other areas and being part of a super bowl team, all that applied to McAdoo as well. And there were plenty of very positive quotes from McAdoo's old boss about what he did well, too.
If Shurmur's greatest asset is his ability to run his offense, why would he be a fit in a job where he won't be running an offense?
Saban or Belichick.
Saban or Belichick.
Look, that would be great, but it just does not seem realistic. Either would cost a fortune. Saban would cost millions to buy out of Alabama and Belichick can't leave the Pats unless the Giants fork over major compensation to the Pats, which will include premium draft picks.
Tisch sitting on today’s interview with Wilks
BeckShepEli : 9:23 am
First interview he has been apart of
Per Ian Rapoport
Wilks coaches defense, Mac offense.
Wilks would be an outside hire, Mac promoted internally.
Wilks is known as a strict disciplinarian. Mac never had that reputation as far as I know (we saw what happened).
Wilks has 1 year of coordinator experience and 3 as assistant HC. Mac had 2 years of coordinator experience.
Wilks would be hand-picked by the GM. Mac was hand-picked by the owner on behalf of stability and comfort level with a franchise QB.
Different experience, different sides of the ball, different backgrounds, different reputations and different personalities.
Wilks coaches defense, Mac offense.
Wilks would be an outside hire, Mac promoted internally.
Wilks is known as a strict disciplinarian. Mac never had that reputation as far as I know (we saw what happened).
Wilks has 1 year of coordinator experience and 3 as assistant HC. Mac had 2 years of coordinator experience.
Wilks would be hand-picked by the GM. Mac was hand-picked by the owner on behalf of stability and comfort level with a franchise QB.
Different experience, different sides of the ball, different backgrounds, different reputations and different personalities.
Good post Chris684
We all want a good new coach, let's let the process work.
DG seems to know what he is doing, hopefully he'll keep ownership from doing something stupid (i.e. McAdoo).
In comment 13780529 David B. said:
This isn't the same as a FA player who's gonna sign before he leaves the building.
Point: That he left the building doesn't mean anything. Providing the Giants liked what he said and want him (and vice versa), he could still end up being the guy.
I'd say don't overreact, but that's pointless at BBI.
imho, I wouldn't trust this hire if they did considering what just took place. Doesn't mean the guy would completely fail, but you'd have to look at a more secure hire this time around
I’m with ya here..and i also wouldn’t be mad at all
Backlash from fans would be overwhelming.
There is a larger concern that you might not be well-suited to continue posting comments on this message board.
Same here.
Not much has leaked out from the other teams looking for coaches as well. The Nagy hiring by the Bears was a surprise.
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been offered a job yet? Yes, I have heard that McD is likely going to Indy and that Patriia to Detroit is a favorite and also that they cant be OFFERED a gig until the Pats are done playing.
Seriously some of you need to get a grip.
Yes, the Bears hired Matt Nagy yesterday.
Gotcha. Fairly under the radar name. Probably trying to capture some of that Andy Reid QB magic that rubbed off on Doug Pederson.
Either way, the second part of my post remains.
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
His record is ugly.
None of the listed candidates have a resume that looks ideal.
I think this is somewhat telling that they weren't blown away by Wilks and are still holding out for one of the other guys still in the playoffs.
They’re trying to make the best choice so they don’t have to do that again for a while.
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
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why we would want Shurmur here?
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
Saban or Belichick.
neither of whom are going anywhere..
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In comment 13780820 Chris684 said:
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why we would want Shurmur here?
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
Quote:
Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer said last month Shurmur’s adaptability and communication with Keenum have been keys.
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
I am starting to get more and more on the Shurmur banwagon. His tenure in Cleveland was not even close to the abomination that was McDaniels in Denver. In fact, 9 wins is quite impressive when you consider his QB was Weeden and #1 WR was Greg Little for 1 if those years. But if you watch Vikings games, the play call is really impressive. He uses his personnel and plays to their strengths and it seems like they have guys wide open for long gains and TD’s constantly. Plus, he is doing this all with Case Keemun while McDaniels is working with Brady. Not saying McDaniels is a bad option, but I really wanted him earlier in the process but after reading more about Shurmur, I’ve changed my mind a bit. Also, look at Bradford’s numbers last year- 22TD, 5INT and a 72% completion percentage. This is 2 years in a row where Shurmur has worked his magic with a journeyman type of QB.
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why we would want Shurmur here?
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
His record is ugly.
None of the listed candidates have a resume that looks ideal.
His record is okay considering it's Cleveland.
I'd probably cry. Or bash my TV in with a bat. Or both.
Couldn't agree more. If not for the Gettleman connection, what is the intrigue?
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No thanks on Wilks.
Couldn't agree more. If not for the Gettleman connection, what is the intrigue?
HE COMMANDS A ROOM.
Other than the usual bullshit that you post about Eli - how do you know this?
That's right. You don't. You're guessing. And making a stupid guess at that.
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I would laugh SO HARD if they ahead and kept Spags on as HC.
I'd probably cry. Or bash my TV in with a bat. Or both.
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In comment 13780820 Chris684 said:
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why we would want Shurmur here?
He brings with him a 10-23 record as head coach and potentially Case Keenum? (God forbid)
Consider the team that record comes from.
Why do I want Shurmur here?
Because the Eagles offense was outstanding when he was their OC. They were top 5 in the league and he's the guy who was there when Nick fucking Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's.
The next season, they were top 5 again with Foles, Sanchez, and Barkley under center.
Now he's overseeing a top 10 offense in Minnesota and has made a player out of Case Keenum, whom no one thought would be anything more than a journeyman/career backup for the rest of his time in the league.
The Giants haven't put 30 points on the scoreboard in more than an entire calendar year and are sitting 2nd overall in a spot where there's a good chance they're going to take a QB.
Pat Shurmur would be a very solid hire and can help fix this putrid offense.
Every single candidate is flawed otherwise they wouldn't be available.
Everything he said.. an in addition..
Quote:
Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer said last month Shurmur’s adaptability and communication with Keenum have been keys.
“He’s been very adaptable trying to fit the scheme to the players,” Zimmer said. “He did a nice job in the offseason of coming with a plan of using the guys we had and trying to use them to their strengths. And then, obviously, after Bradford went down and really then when Cook went down, being able to adapt to those. He’s done a good job in calling plays. But more importantly probably has been using the players to their strengths.”
Also do not forget that the Vikings COMPLETELY revamped their OL this year with three new players and everyone playing a new position. And their OL is playing well. This cannot be overlooked.
Shurmur in his coaching tenure has been
TE CoacH
OFfensive Line Coach
QB Coach
Offensive Coordinator
Head Coach
He has been to a Superbowl as well. (he was the QB coach on that 2004 Eagles Superbowl team that lost to the Patriots)
Shurmur has a solid coaching resume. Honestly he is my #1 choice right now..
I'm not trying to play the contrarian here, but the point of Shurmur having served as a position coach in other areas and being part of a super bowl team, all that applied to McAdoo as well. And there were plenty of very positive quotes from McAdoo's old boss about what he did well, too.
If Shurmur's greatest asset is his ability to run his offense, why would he be a fit in a job where he won't be running an offense?
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In comment 13780736 BlackLight said:
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I would laugh SO HARD if they ahead and kept Spags on as HC.
I'd probably cry. Or bash my TV in with a bat. Or both.
If so, call me. I'll bring my TV and we can bash them both in at the same time.
Deal!