I was asked to put my pre-Shrine game/Senior Bowl/Combine stacks together, and the strength of this draft is going to be at RB, CB, and DT. A case can be made for all three positions being on the NYG needs list right now, pre FA period of course. The weakness I see is going to be at S, LB, and WR with the other positions being typically average.
Does that mean much? Not really. But when looking at the NYG CB situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gettleman use a higher pick than you think on one. Cromartie is almost done, Apple is a wild card with a poor attitude, Jenkins may not be a fit personality wise (I bet he stays though), Cockrell...LOVED him this year but we still don't know what he is.
In addition, Gettleman has ALWAYS been HUGE on a strong defensive line that you put a lot of resources in to in addition to depth. NYG is going to need a fresh DT this year as they don't have anything behind their starters and Harrison is a 60% of the game snaps type player. And we all know the DE have been under-performing for a few years now.
All of this talk about RB, QB, OL...it is warranted, but this draft is wide open and everything is possible and likely at this point.
...for the insights!
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.
Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Cockrell needs to be re-signed. Apple may need a new address.
Dixon seems a decent depth guy. I agree Jenkins will stay.
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.
Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Thanks very much.
Apple could turnaround and be a nearer-worthy #9 pick...or mentally explode.
Jackrabbit,like us, is tired of losing and may lose it again if we are 2/3 games under .500 early on...if he's not offered up in trade this offseason(just a feeling).
Getting one at 1 or 2 let's you protect at least in part against:
Both failing,
One failing,
or, optimistically, if all 3, or 4 with Cockrell, play well, let's them move somebody for a '19 pick next offseason.
Fitzpatrick? Won't be but Nice dream at least.
TBrown seemed to get better as the season wore on and is a really good special teams player.
I think BBrown is the nephew of Herschel Walker...? I only saw him in the LSU game but he jumped off the screen...
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.
Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Sy, Josh Allen runs around and slings it like Wentz, and he has actually taken snaps under center, unlike some of the other QBs in this class. Not much surrounding him his senior year. His stock will go up after the combine after he puts on an athletic freak show. Do you see any chance the Giants go after Allen?
They need bodies everywhere. I don't want a QB this year. I'd rather have Eli provide stability at that position while the rest of the roster gets fixed/overhauled. Get this team built, then add your QB of the future. Maybe they even get some good fortune and Webb is ready to be that guy.
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.
Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Rosen reminds me of Sam Bradford.
TBrown seemed to get better as the season wore on and is a really good special teams player.
I think BBrown is the nephew of Herschel Walker...? I only saw him in the LSU game but he jumped off the screen...
Tony Brown is a very good athlete. Just wrote him up actually. Straight speed, elite power and strength. But for a CB, I don't think the quickness, reaction time, and instincts are good enough. I think he can be a package-S...meaning specific situations. Issue is, I have a low grade on him as a tackler, too many misses. I see a special teamer.
Haven't done Brown (Troy) yet
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In comment 13780598 Victor in CT said:
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.
re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.
Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Sy, Josh Allen runs around and slings it like Wentz, and he has actually taken snaps under center, unlike some of the other QBs in this class. Not much surrounding him his senior year. His stock will go up after the combine after he puts on an athletic freak show. Do you see any chance the Giants go after Allen?
I don't think I am ever gonna come around on Allen as a 1st rounder. I can see why some will though.
He isn't near the fluid athlete as Went....nit near his throwing mechanics, not near his swagger.
Allen is closer to Big Ben coming out of Miami (OH) in 2004, but again the accuracy isn't there
No Rosen, no trade down...I'm thinking Barkley but Fitzpatrick (FS) and Williams (OT) are interesting to me.
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If Rosen goes 1 and we can’t trade back who would be your pick as of now?
No Rosen, no trade down...I'm thinking Barkley but Fitzpatrick (FS) and Williams (OT) are interesting to me.
Taking an OT like Connor Williams at 2 seems pretty high to me especially given his injuries earlier in the year. I would hope we would trade down if we are going OL. Seems like you could get good OL in picks below 5 or 6 by trading down.