Collins on Belichick: "The way he runs his organization, I’ve been through that process. I don’t like it,” Collins said. “It’s too strict. …. He’s a great winner, he’s a great coach. I don’t know if [his style] is what the organization really wants.
“I talked to guys who played for [his] team. They love winning, but at the same time, they don’t want to be on the team.”
Saw one thread on this article with no mention of the quote. I get that Saban probably worked Collins ragged but jeez...
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Uh, winning is all that matters in this business.
Just a weird comment.
Just a weird comment.
I think what he was trying to say came out wrong. But leave it to BBI to hate him for it.
Heck of a player tho
But that was a dumb statement damn..
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Collins gives a damn. He plays injured. He doesn't bitch.
Just a weird comment.
I think what he was trying to say came out wrong. But leave it to BBI to hate him for it.
Yeah its BBI's fault Collins put out a completely unnecessary, incoherent and potentially damaging (unlikely, but you never know) quote.
It may have come out wrong... we're just reacting to ... you know... what was actually said.
He also piled on Apple at the end of the year, which only fanned the flames, and was again.. unproductive and unnecessary... but hey, he's the elected team leader of the defense I hear so whatever.
I remember after 1983 when Parcells went 3-12-1, he simply purged the roster. I think there was something like 20-25 first or second year players on team (and this was in the days before the 53-man roster so literally half the team).
I remember after 1983 when Parcells went 3-12-1, he simply purged the roster. I think there was something like 20-25 first or second year players on team (and this was in the days before the 53-man roster so literally half the team).
team needs a major purge like then..1983.
if not, the rot will infect this team for a bit more
I remember after 1983 when Parcells went 3-12-1, he simply purged the roster. I think there was something like 20-25 first or second year players on team (and this was in the days before the 53-man roster so literally half the team).
This is one of the stupidest, least likable Giants teams I can remember. With very, very few exceptions they should overturn the roster at every opportunity.
I said it when it was clear Reese and McAdoo were on the way out: the problems with this team did not leave with those two guys.
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Collins gives a damn. He plays injured. He doesn't bitch.
Just a weird comment.
I think what he was trying to say came out wrong. But leave it to BBI to hate him for it.
Yeah its BBI's fault Collins put out a completely unnecessary, incoherent and potentially damaging (unlikely, but you never know) quote.
It may have come out wrong... we're just reacting to ... you know... what was actually said.
He also piled on Apple at the end of the year, which only fanned the flames, and was again.. unproductive and unnecessary... but hey, he's the elected team leader of the defense I hear so whatever.
Do what you want man I don’t care. Most of this board is incredibly irrational and takes things like this quote as gospel. It’s actually pretty funny seeing everyone’s reactions, it’s like clockwork.
Collins sucks, he’s no longer a good player and I hope we don’t pay him. Sound about right?
I don t think his competitive spirit should be questioned
I love Lando, but enough. Just shut up and leave these decisions to people in the front office.
Hopefully whoever we hire gets through to these guys.
Seen it for years A lot like a people who talk shit about their job but never quit or have the balls to say something to management.
Collins is still young and immature a bit too. I'll give him a bit of a pass From all we've seen he's a hard worker. Good teammate. But its just silly? I don't want to play for one of the greatest football minds ever because he's not going to sit down with us and make us all feel valued. OK Bill B will somehow survive without your endorsement Landon. Now go on vacation
But that was a dumb statement damn..
Think what you'd like about Collins comments, but folks with your posting history, not to mention adults who write shit like "probly", probly shouldn't be calling others out for intelligence.
If Saban can't relate to grown millionaires other than to treat them like college kids, he's going to have a problem. Not just here, but pretty much anywhere. And if you think that's the players' fault, ask yourself how much you'd like a boss who treated you that way?
If Saban can't relate to grown millionaires other than to treat them like college kids, he's going to have a problem. Not just here, but pretty much anywhere. And if you think that's the players' fault, ask yourself how much you'd like a boss who treated you that way?
^this.
I'd also like to add that there is such a thing as a player's coach, a coach that players like playing for. One could make the argument that a "players coach" is not what we need right now, I don't know, but you can't really criticize a player for wanting a "player's coach".
If Saban can't relate to grown millionaires other than to treat them like college kids, he's going to have a problem. Not just here, but pretty much anywhere. And if you think that's the players' fault, ask yourself how much you'd like a boss who treated you that way?
But he’s not talking about his old coach. He’s saying Bill B is too much for his taste. That would have been ok. That’s him
Amd that’s not the issue to me.
He then goes on to make the claim that players don’t want to be in New England. They don’t want to play there due to the coach. That is just unprovable and stupid.
Certainly players most likely don’t love that they minute they deemed expendable they will get likely get released by Belichick. Shit he’s done it recently w Collins And Jones.
But Collins is making a large Sweeping charge the infers it’s a bad place to play from most of the guys there. How many can he know well enough to even have that conversation. It’s a
Stupid to make that generalization. He was out of line
Once he went that direction IMO.
But he’s not talking about his old coach. He’s saying Bill B is too much for his taste. That would have been ok. That’s him
Amd that’s not the issue to me.
He then goes on to make the claim that players don’t want to be in New England. They don’t want to play there due to the coach. That is just unprovable and stupid.
Certainly players most likely don’t love that they minute they deemed expendable they will get likely get released by Belichick. Shit he’s done it recently w Collins And Jones.
But Collins is making a large Sweeping charge the infers it’s a bad place to play from most of the guys there. How many can he know well enough to even have that conversation. It’s a
Stupid to make that generalization. He was out of line
Once he went that direction IMO.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that Collins was just making blind suppositions. Speaking for myself, I know precisely zero NFL players. But being an NFL player (and a well-regarded one to boot) it's possible Collins knows several. Cyrus Jones was his teammate at Alabama for two years - now he plays for New England. It's completely plausible that they talk. Aside from that, there's no reason to assume that he's never had conversations with guys who play for the Patriots or did previously.
It doesn't mean he's right. Belichick is definitely an outlier in that guys who want to win Super Bowls might be perfectly willing to endure his personality and play for him. The test is not how players respond when the team's winning. It's how they respond when the team's losing. It just so happens that New England hasn't done very much of that in the last 16 years or so.
Could be the mommy thing with him as well, since his mom was furious that he chose Bama over LSU. His mom is probably constantly telling him that he made a mistake.
"tis better to keep one's mouth shut and appear the fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
What an idiot.
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Belicheck does have some criticisms from former players of his about his style and handling of the team. For the most part, players understand that you take that winning and the pains that come with it you withstand because of the winning, but if you aren't one of Bill's guys (just like if you weren't one of Parcells' guys), it can be really difficult.
I think the difference with the Pats is that they really haven't had any down years, so there's no time for issues to fester or rise to the top. Losing will bring that out.
But it still isn't a really good thing for Collins to comment on, especially coming off the year we had and the shitshow he was a part of.
"I don't want to play for the most successful coach in the history of the game"
Does this guy have a clue what he sounds like?
How long until pitchers and catchers.
"I don't want to play for the most successful coach in the history of the game"
Does this guy have a clue what he sounds like?
How long until pitchers and catchers.
well put.
It works when you win. Causes severe problems when you don't.
However, player friendly coaches rarely work as we all know - or they don't last long. Fine line being tough enough to extract that last ounce of ability without alienating the player Parcells was good at that, and I suspect BB is also.
It works when you win. Causes severe problems when you don't.
However, player friendly coaches rarely work as we all know - or they don't last long. Fine line being tough enough to extract that last ounce of ability without alienating the player Parcells was good at that, and I suspect BB is also.
If he doesn't like playing for a "ball-buster coach" fine. Keep your mouth shut about such things. You have to be really stupid to say something like that to the press.
And if you watched New York Giants 2017, we clearly saw the team responded to losing.
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The test is not how players respond when the team's winning. It's how they respond when the team's losing.
And if you watched New York Giants 2017, we clearly saw the team responded to losing.
Correct. And that wasn't how they responded to losing when we had bad seasons under Coughlin. Which speaks to my point about there being a right way to be a hardass coach, and a wrong way to be one.
I hope this is a question in the Giants' interview process. What will each candidate do to ensure that the players approach the game with a professional attitude? What will they do to make sure that each aspect of the game (practice, health, study, the games, and everything in between) is treated by each player with professionalism?
I'm pretty sure it's Rich Seubert who said that this is a job: if you want to have fun go be a clown.
Go be a fucking clown.