I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
like the NY Daily News is circling its wagons around Patricia being the person. They've now got multiple stories from multiple authors all saying Patricia is the guy, but with no actual sources around it.
If they're right, they can crow about how they called it. If not, they can treat it like Patricia was the guy until the person they named blew the team away in interviews and surprised everybody.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
a genius and rocket scientist but what does he know about running a pro football team in NY? HC is a CEO not so much Xs and Os. Hes worked within the confines of the perfect little world Bill created up in Foxborough.
If hired, hes about to find out how difficult it is to create & maintain that atmosphere yourself.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Charlie Weis was a far more spectacular flop. He'll never coach anything valuable again. People still want McDaniels.
Saban and Ferentz are successful Belichick assistants. I'm sure you meant at the NFL level specifically but he does deserve that bit of credit.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
maybe. story could be BS too. Leonard isn't exactly a scoop maven.
Whatever they do, let's hope they get it right. Otherwise we'll be having this dicussion again in 2 or 3 years.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
Team itself can't name anyone, but such things are known to leak almost immediately with 'verbal agreements' and such.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
I feel the same way. Maybe the fact he's never been a HC leaves one feeling uncomfortable, especially after the McAdoo disaster - but other than that...there's really no reason to be so emphatically against him being hired. No one on this board knows enough about him.
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
I like the idea that the Giants head coach might have
About this. Don't think it's a coincidence that both Peter King & Leonard are talking about Patricia a few hours apart after not really hearing much about him for the last week.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Its actually been well documented as to what Patricia does to prepare his team. Seems to me you are just using the typical "its only due to the success of BB" to not want a guy. And that's fine, but I don't think every case is the same and there's a lot out there to dispel some of your reservations.
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
How does that tell you anything when he's not permitted to speak to the media? Could be true, could be meaningless.
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
Nothing in this article suggests Patricia is a favorite here.
and is stemming from a bad hire in McAdoo. That doesn't mean you do a total 180. You just do a better job of hiring the next guy and schemes, preparedness, X's and O's, etc are all a piece of the puzzle. I don't think that will be glossed over in these interviews.
These Patricia leaks make me think the organization
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
players as Bills little protg. Takeo Spikes once said that if anything happened to Bill, Patricia would be the one to take over.
Not Josh McDaniels, or anyone else on that staff. Matt Patricia.
I like the idea of Wilks from Carolina. But I can't take any issue at all with Patricia being hired either. He really seems to know what he's doing and his players seem to respect him as well.
that interviews, resumes aside - given BB's history with franchise and the fact that Kraft and Maras have decent relationship - there were some unofficial conversations about both NE candidates.
Before the process it was Schwartz, then early on it was McDaniels, then Belichick, then Wilks- Im not going to read anything into this. Seems like these beat reporters will just keep guessing until they are finally right.
not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
Agreed...other than something along the lines of "the Daily News has learned...". This amounts to nothing. That doesn't mean it isn't true or he won't be hired. But, this article provided no evidence that it was happening.
even a sh*t-stirrer like Pat wouldn't write that the "daily news has learned" if he didn't have something he was going off. doesn't mean it's a good source, or even one in the giants organization. or that it isn't a smokescreen. but i would doubt he's making it up out of whole cloth
RE: RE: This will be interesting if it comes to pass
About this. Don't think it's a coincidence that both Peter King & Leonard are talking about Patricia a few hours apart after not really hearing much about him for the last week.
Leonard is not known to be particularly well connected - hard to believe he'd be the first among the beats to break this.
Given the lack of any signs provided in an "all signs point to" article, it's not entirely crazy to consider that Leonard is picking up "all signs point to" based on Myers' tweet (that the Giants prefer Patricia) and King's story (that Patricia prefers the Giants).
That's not to say that it's necessarily untrue, but with scoops at a premium for clicks, pairing Myers and King would probably be enough for Leonard to run with the story.
Here's hoping Pat's correct, but I'd agree there appears to be no real sourced info here, he's guessulating.
Same. The more I read about him, the more I like him. He's my pick at this point.
Of course Brown Recluse likes the HC candidate that looks like a recluse.
Patricia is brilliant by all accounts and he has suckled at the teat of the NFL's GOAT. Just not sure how this will translate into him being a HC.
He checks the box for being a seasoned coordinator, but after the McAdoo experiment, I would would be more comfortable with someone that has HC experience.
On the other hand, this mother fucker just throws off the Belichick vibe, so that has to count for something!
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
You are right, I dont know anything for a fact. But you can say the same damn thing for all these candidates so now what?
I thought Patricia was the most intriguing candidate due to his hand on analytics. Reminded me of Belichick when he was with the Giants.
He reminded Belichick of Belichick too Link - ( New Window )
This is awesome..
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Patricia told friends that, when he arrived, Belichick was still a pencil and paper guy, writing film notes by hand. Patricia helped digitize the Patriots film review system, just as he did at Hoffman. He ran a seminar teaching Patriots rookies the video system, gave older coaches basic computer training and showed the savvier coaches how to input data into spreadsheets, analyze it and incorporate the information into their weekly game plan.
Patricia told one friend that he saved Belichick two to three hours a day because the new system gave Belichick, a notorious film junkie, an easier way to study tape. Which gave Belichick that much more time to scheme and strategize for each weeks opponent.
Belichick started taking Patricia on scouting trips, giving him a glimpse into his world. [Matt] logged a lot of hours driving Bill around, says former Patriots lineman Matt Light, who is friends with Patricia. [Bill] wanted him close because he saw the value in a guy like Matt. People talk about players, but a really good coach? That may be more rare than an elite corner or quarterback or defensive end. Theyre very difficult to find in this league.
RE: RE: This will be interesting if it comes to pass
it's clearly click-bait and an attempt by the Daily Rag to be "right" whether Patricia is the HC or not. Too many articles from that Toilet Paper touting multiple possibilities for them to be "wrong". Pretty pathetic actually.
Though the radio guys in Boston today said they were starting to hear rumors that McDaniels was staying in NE. And apparently some of the NE beat writers said they believed that if Belichick ever decided to leave coaching and become a team president somewhere else, Patricia is the guy he would hire and not McDaniels.
But this is all radio rumors, so, yeah. But apparently most up there are pretty surprised by this report and never in a million years though Patricia would go to NY. So it's caused some buzz up there today supposedly.
Not yet, Stuff... he's telling us that "Belichick is still in play" in one of the pinned threads.
Guy is a complete clown.
I don't know what's come over me ..how could I have overlooked that! Seriously though, I don't pay much attention to him, I think it's rather amusing. Between you, me and the 4 virtual walls, I've warmed up to the idea of Wilks despite his lack of HC experience.
Why the hell would he want to keep a coach whose defenses have been at the bottom of the league 3 out of his last 4 years he was coordinator?? Why cant this fan base move on from 2007/08 that was the last time spags was a good coordinator
Why the hell would he want to keep a coach whose defenses have been at the bottom of the league 3 out of his last 4 years he was coordinator?? Why cant this fan base move on from 2007/08 that was the last time spags was a good coordinator
So true. But if someone suggested bringing back SB winning DC Perry Fewell the board would go crazy.
even a stopped watch is right twice a day. I hope this isn't one of the two times.
then Patricia moves to DC for Giants
I read it the exact same way.
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
If they're right, they can crow about how they called it. If not, they can treat it like Patricia was the guy until the person they named blew the team away in interviews and surprised everybody.
I am ok with this hire. The staff he brings in will be interesting (if he is indeed the coach).
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
If hired, hes about to find out how difficult it is to create & maintain that atmosphere yourself.
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Charlie Weis was a far more spectacular flop. He'll never coach anything valuable again. People still want McDaniels.
Saban and Ferentz are successful Belichick assistants. I'm sure you meant at the NFL level specifically but he does deserve that bit of credit.
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
maybe. story could be BS too. Leonard isn't exactly a scoop maven.
Whatever they do, let's hope they get it right. Otherwise we'll be having this dicussion again in 2 or 3 years.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
Team itself can't name anyone, but such things are known to leak almost immediately with 'verbal agreements' and such.
I feel the same way. Maybe the fact he's never been a HC leaves one feeling uncomfortable, especially after the McAdoo disaster - but other than that...there's really no reason to be so emphatically against him being hired. No one on this board knows enough about him.
Same, regarding Patricia. But ... click-bait? NYG connections? Giantrs had good defenses, so ... Patricia?
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Its actually been well documented as to what Patricia does to prepare his team. Seems to me you are just using the typical "its only due to the success of BB" to not want a guy. And that's fine, but I don't think every case is the same and there's a lot out there to dispel some of your reservations.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
Why else would the front office leak info about how strong each candidate is?
And if they aren't leaking info, why else would the NYDN report this stuff? Are they just looking for page views?
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That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
How does that tell you anything when he's not permitted to speak to the media? Could be true, could be meaningless.
Since we cant get a feel for that characteristic without being there, I still think Shurmur checks all the other boxes and fits best.
Leonard quoted "the feeling" as his source. FWIW
He saw the signs. And it opened up his eyes.
And the sign says "long hair freaky people need not apply"
So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do
So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you"
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
This.
Not Josh McDaniels, or anyone else on that staff. Matt Patricia.
I like the idea of Wilks from Carolina. But I can't take any issue at all with Patricia being hired either. He really seems to know what he's doing and his players seem to respect him as well.
One of these clowns will be right;)
I'm guessing he'd never thought in his wildest dreams he'd coach the Giants - perhaps this is his "dream job" and that came across in the interview.
Ill second this. Good point.
He reminded Belichick of Belichick too
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
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I thought Patricia was the most intriguing candidate due to his hand on analytics. Reminded me of Belichick when he was with the Giants.
Exactly. I've always had a soft spot for egghead coaches in the Walsh/Belichick mode.
Don't say egghead coaches. has a disctinct Ray Handley vibe about it :-)
Leonard is not known to be particularly well connected - hard to believe he'd be the first among the beats to break this.
Given the lack of any signs provided in an "all signs point to" article, it's not entirely crazy to consider that Leonard is picking up "all signs point to" based on Myers' tweet (that the Giants prefer Patricia) and King's story (that Patricia prefers the Giants).
That's not to say that it's necessarily untrue, but with scoops at a premium for clicks, pairing Myers and King would probably be enough for Leonard to run with the story.
Same. The more I read about him, the more I like him. He's my pick at this point.
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Here's hoping Pat's correct, but I'd agree there appears to be no real sourced info here, he's guessulating.
Same. The more I read about him, the more I like him. He's my pick at this point.
We're faced with a growth pick, I go with the defensive mind groomed under BB. Hopefully, the entire org grows together into something special.
Lol just another you heard it hear first guess. This is the journalism of today.
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Here's hoping Pat's correct, but I'd agree there appears to be no real sourced info here, he's guessulating.
Same. The more I read about him, the more I like him. He's my pick at this point.
Of course Brown Recluse likes the HC candidate that looks like a recluse.
Patricia is brilliant by all accounts and he has suckled at the teat of the NFL's GOAT. Just not sure how this will translate into him being a HC.
He checks the box for being a seasoned coordinator, but after the McAdoo experiment, I would would be more comfortable with someone that has HC experience.
On the other hand, this mother fucker just throws off the Belichick vibe, so that has to count for something!
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talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
You are right, I dont know anything for a fact. But you can say the same damn thing for all these candidates so now what?
I don't think he has a source either -- after having watched how he works up close -- he's a little foot loose and freewheelin with his stories
having said that -- I'm not in the McDaniels camp but I also am intrigued with Patricia
Why on earth would he do that?
Patricia is a gregarious guy and if he's in a bar, he'll take the place over possibly doing keg stands
Belicheck sips his scotch in the unlit booth by the corner.
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I thought Patricia was the most intriguing candidate due to his hand on analytics. Reminded me of Belichick when he was with the Giants.
He reminded Belichick of Belichick too Link - ( New Window )
This is awesome..
Patricia told one friend that he saved Belichick two to three hours a day because the new system gave Belichick, a notorious film junkie, an easier way to study tape. Which gave Belichick that much more time to scheme and strategize for each weeks opponent.
Belichick started taking Patricia on scouting trips, giving him a glimpse into his world. [Matt] logged a lot of hours driving Bill around, says former Patriots lineman Matt Light, who is friends with Patricia. [Bill] wanted him close because he saw the value in a guy like Matt. People talk about players, but a really good coach? That may be more rare than an elite corner or quarterback or defensive end. Theyre very difficult to find in this league.
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I thought Patricia was the most intriguing candidate due to his hand on analytics. Reminded me of Belichick when he was with the Giants.
Exactly. I've always had a soft spot for egghead coaches in the Walsh/Belichick mode.
So did George Young, Thats why he chose Handley over Belichick.
- Slade
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Not yet, Stuff... he's telling us that "Belichick is still in play" in one of the pinned threads.
Guy is a complete clown.
But this is all radio rumors, so, yeah. But apparently most up there are pretty surprised by this report and never in a million years though Patricia would go to NY. So it's caused some buzz up there today supposedly.
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Starting growing your beards, boys!
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Not yet, Stuff... he's telling us that "Belichick is still in play" in one of the pinned threads.
Guy is a complete clown.
I don't know what's come over me ..how could I have overlooked that! Seriously though, I don't pay much attention to him, I think it's rather amusing. Between you, me and the 4 virtual walls, I've warmed up to the idea of Wilks despite his lack of HC experience.
Why the hell would he want to keep a coach whose defenses have been at the bottom of the league 3 out of his last 4 years he was coordinator?? Why cant this fan base move on from 2007/08 that was the last time spags was a good coordinator
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and hope he keeps SPAGS and ELI. Mo
Why the hell would he want to keep a coach whose defenses have been at the bottom of the league 3 out of his last 4 years he was coordinator?? Why cant this fan base move on from 2007/08 that was the last time spags was a good coordinator
So true. But if someone suggested bringing back SB winning DC Perry Fewell the board would go crazy.
Ironically, TMS would call it a "PC hire".
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So true. But if someone suggested bringing back SB winning DC Perry Fewell the board would go crazy.
Ironically, TMS would call it a "PC hire".
ha!!