Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/10/18, 12:42 PM
Mike Lombardi on The Ringer podcast on Matt Patricia: "I was told Sunday night that Matt had the job" in Detroit ... "Matt will be the head coach of the Lions unless barring some unforeseen thing"
Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/10/18, 12:45 PM
No mention of Patricia by name with the Giants there. He said Giants want an offensive coach and "I know who they would like to get, I'm not sure they can
“Michael Lombardi is an American football executive and media analyst. Until 2016, he was an assistant to the coaching staff of the New England Patriots and is a former analyst for the NFL Network and sportswriter at NFL.com.”
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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about
Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?
Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.
If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him
It's a big "If" at this point in the process, all these sportswriters are throwing out all kinds of possible destinations for coaches.
McDaniels as 1
Patricia as 1A
Shurmer as 2
and Wilks as 3
That's all anyone is doing right now. Bunch of wild guesses to sound right.
Only people who know anything are 4 men. Tisch, Mara, DG, and Abrams.
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In comment 13781596 crick n NC said:
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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about
Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?
Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.
If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him
It's a big "If" at this point in the process, all these sportswriters are throwing out all kinds of possible destinations for coaches.
Of course, everything is an "IF" right now.
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In comment 13781596 crick n NC said:
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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about
Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?
Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.
If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him
I guess, maybe I'm reading more into the "not sure they can" phrase.
They can get McDaniels. If they want him and offer him a job and he turns it down, then they didn't get him, but nothing is stopping them from getting him.
I viewed the phrase "...not sure they can" as meaning not available, not available but chooses otherwise.
I'm probably over-analyzing it.
Too nice a guy. This team needs a discipinarian.
Anyway, lots of speculation still. If what he's saying is true though and we want an offensive guy, you'd imagine the top candidates would be McDaniels and Shurmur.
I'm wondering if the Giants F.O. is interested in Patricia and are the source of leaks today signaling interest in him. Can't wait to find out.
Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.
End of discussion. Lol.
How does anyone know for sure what McDaniels or any of the other coaching candidates want.
His greater value, IMO, would be as OC.
My assumption there would be maybe he wants Indy with Luck and more control and say in players than what the Giants would give? Again, that is an assumption on both it being McDaniels and what McDaniels might want.
So TC or Jason Garrett?
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Perhaps Giants prefer him over Patricia and are trying to move the pile.
How does anyone know for sure what McDaniels or any of the other coaching candidates want.
Don't know for certain but that's the word among the beats.
I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.
I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.
Why would DeFilippo be unattainable?
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Is the Cardinals WR coach, Darryl Drake.
I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.
Why would DeFilippo be unattainable?
Apparently his QB coaching contract ends this off season.
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There's something to listen to? Is it because McDaniels wants to be coach and GM?
"Wednesday afternoon, a source confirmed to me that there had been a “big change” in the Giants’ thinking and that Patricia could get the job."
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.
Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.
He might be a good OC.
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.
Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.
+2. And his best work was with Payton pretending to be the OC. Why not hire him then.
I'm no spring chicken anymore but can we avoid the AARP candidates please. Wilkes or either NE coordinator would be a lot better than him by a lot
"Wednesday afternoon, a source confirmed to me that there had been a “big change” in the Giants’ thinking and that Patricia could get the job." Link - ( New Window )
If this is true I am wondering if Wilks wasn't very impressive during his interview.
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why you guys are guessing. If uou listen he comes out and says that he thinks they want McDaniels and that he doesn't think they can get him because of the org structure...
There's something to listen to? Is it because McDaniels wants to be coach and GM?
Yes. The Ringer podcast, as referenced in the OP.
I think yes, McDaniels wants more say over personnel.
The GM certainly has a large voice in the room when it comes to hiring the HC, but the call is ultimately Mara and Tisch. This is fairly common knowledge, and for ML to regularly misrepresent it is odd. This is my long way of saying that I don't think he is plugged into the Giants at all.
Its like needing a car so while looking there are things you would prefer but cost and other factors do come into play. So they may prefer an offensive coach but if his cost is too high and the difference not that much between him and defensive guy then they go defensive.
I could definitely get on board with Patricia at HC and DeFilippo as OC.
The thing about Patricia that I like is that because he is so stats and mathematics driven I think he would hire very good people to do their jobs. It's the one thing that can make me overlook his coaching inexperience.
Leaves the NE guys, Wilks, and Shurmur. 2 offensive 2 defensive.
Lombardi has a 50/50 shot at being right about the offensive coach. Its a safe bet for him.
But pull yourself from the rumors/bull shit for a minute.. Do you really think Mara, Tisch, DG, or Abrams are telling anyone who or what they really want? Why and how would that even get out?
Its honestly common sense here. He's bullshitting like the rest of these guys.
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he would be a great candidate for either QB coach and possibly OC.
I could definitely get on board with Patricia at HC and DeFilippo as OC.
The thing about Patricia that I like is that because he is so stats and mathematics driven I think he would hire very good people to do their jobs. It's the one thing that can make me overlook his coaching inexperience.
yeah, maybe a Rod Rust type.
Who else was on his "list"? If you don't mind me asking.