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Concerning Jeremy Shockey tweet

Ned In Atlanta : 1/10/2018 5:25 pm
Admittedly don’t know any back story but saw this today from his official twitter account



Don't like hospitals but I'll do any study to relive my head pain. Praying for the best its in… instagram.com/p/BdyPuzWAE6a/


Obviously speculation but wonder if he is dealing with football related head trauma/CTE. People hate Shockey but I saw him eating lunch in south beach a few years ago with Rosenhaus and he couldn’t have been nicer. Hope he’s alright
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RE: RE: People hate Shockey?  
Beezer : 1/11/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13782706 djm said:
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Huh.

Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.



There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.


Yeah, I see that. But is it true?

I wish he'd handled himself a bit better. But I've always had the impression he's pretty well liked by fans, overall.
Dr. D  
Beezer : 1/11/2018 10:51 am : link
answered.
oh right  
djm : 1/11/2018 11:17 am : link
he threw ice on a fan once. And he did drop that pass. Let's blame Shockey for that loss. Not the D. Not the coaching. Blame the TE who caught 7 passes because he dropped a relatively "easy" pass. It wasn't that easy...but he should have caught it.

Pathetic.
still got his jersey  
spike : 1/11/2018 11:17 am : link
#80
RE: my point is  
fireitup77 : 1/11/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13782690 djm said:
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if the guy was a cancer the team isn't winning as much as the Giants won with Shockey. The Giants won with Shockey. You guys love a villain. Giants fans were chanting Tiki sucks at the super bowl 42 parade. Best moment in franchise history and fans are bashing a former player who helped the team win games. It's weird. Fans love to find fault with players and Shockey certainly had a few. But saying the guy was a cancer is a stretch. You're citing incident that happened but don't necessarily correlate to losing. Shockey yelled at Eli. Ok fine. Does that mean he hindered Eli? Did Eli really play that much better after Shockey got hurt? He played like Shit in the game Shockey did her hurt. Eli had played well at times before WITH Shockey. After the injury and into the playoffs Eli cut down on the INTs. Correlation? Maybe...and I will be the first to say you shouldn't change one thing about that run. Maybe his injury was a blessing...but the guy still helped this team win games throughout his tenure here.


Do you have a tape of the Tiki sucks chant? I was there and heard no such chant.
RE: oh right  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13782877 djm said:
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he threw ice on a fan once. And he did drop that pass. Let's blame Shockey for that loss. Not the D. Not the coaching. Blame the TE who caught 7 passes because he dropped a relatively "easy" pass. It wasn't that easy...but he should have caught it.

Pathetic.


no, unflinching apologists are pathetic. take the poster off your ceiling for a minute. Me and most people here have acknowledged his great talent along with his negatives and hope that his health is not in jeopardy. I guess all the examples of poor route running, not knowing the plays, not joining the huddle, running his own routes, missing the checks to shift the route tree, immature, self absorbed behavior, showing up teammates, none of that matters.

The shame of it is he should have and easily could have had a much better career here and possibly be a HOFer. I wish it would have worked out that way.
RE: Don't understand the hate for Shockey  
Racer : 1/11/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13782086 djstat said:
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Passionate football player.


Other than being dumb as a f'g post, running the wrong routes according to many NFL insiders, and looking like he was running out of a burning building when he was at full speed, I thought he was a good player overall and his passion and toughness were admirable.
I don't think it's completely a coincidence  
Dr. D : 1/11/2018 12:35 pm : link
that Eli's completion % jumped pretty significantly (56% to 60.3%) and INTs decreased significantly (20 to 10) between 2007 and 2008. This improvement started towards the end of '07 and carried through the playoffs.

Not saying it was all Shockey, and some of the INTs are on Eli, but I would bet that a majority of Eli's INTs through his career occurred when targeting Shockey and later, Reuben Randall. They were the two we heard most often as "not being on the same page with Eli", i.e., they ran the wrong route.
RE: Steve Smith got hurt in 2011  
Dr. D : 1/11/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13782704 djm said:
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was his injury a blessing in disguise? It led to Victor Cruz.


Steve Smith has nothing to do with Shockey. It's not even close to a good analogy.

Steve Smith didn't have a reputation of frequently running the wrong routes, resulting in INTs and incompletions. And he never showed up Eli. He just did his job.

If Shockey behaved and did his job like Smith did (kept his mouth shut, ran the correct routes, caught the ball when he was targeted, didn't yell at the QB to throw him the ball even when he was well covered, etc.), there would be no discussion here.

RE: RE: Why are we attributing team accomplishments to one guy  
Modus Operandi : 1/11/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13782665 djm said:
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Yeah, they made the playoffs four of 6 years he was on the roster. They should have. They were good teams. It's not like he carried them there. He was a part of good team, not the reason for their achievement. If anything, you can make that argument for Barber, not Shockey. And he was probably the third best offensive player once they got Plaxico.



So we can't attribute team accomplishments to one guy but we can attribute a team's successful playoff run to a player's absence? No. We can't really do either. We can only go by what our eyes told us when watching the team play. Shockey was a good player who helped the team win games.


You have that correct. In one instance, Shockey is a contributor on one side of the ball. He wasn't a QB. He was a good two-way TE who other teams had to account for. Hardly a game breaker.

On the other hand, he goes down in '07 and a fifth round draft pick comes in and the team doesn't miss a beat. That same TE went on to put up numbers comparable to Shockey for the next three seasons after Shockey is traded.

Shockey's best year was his first. He had issues with drops (something OBJ gets killed for), had several on and off-the-field incidents what can at best be characterized as immature. At worst, and if you believe the stories about him killing Eli, a cancer.

I get. You loved #80. You liked the gold locks. But he wasn't Tony Gonzalez. He wasn't Antonio Gates.
RE: RE: People hate Shockey?  
Modus Operandi : 1/11/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13782706 djm said:
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In comment 13782696 Beezer said:


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Huh.

Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.



There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.


Now you're just intentionally being obtuse.

Please cite an instance on this thread where anyone said Shockey was "total shit". Go ahead.
Shockey developed another issue  
mrvax : 1/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
After about his first 2 years, he would leap up high in the air to catch passes he did not have to leave his feet for. This resulted in less YAC.
RE: oh right  
Jints in Carolina : 1/11/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13782877 djm said:
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he threw ice on a fan once. And he did drop that pass. Let's blame Shockey for that loss. Not the D. Not the coaching. Blame the TE who caught 7 passes because he dropped a relatively "easy" pass. It wasn't that easy...but he should have caught it.

Pathetic.


Right? It's Shockey's fault the Giants blew a 38-14 lead??!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
Like Beckham, Shockey would've been a PERFECT Cowboy...  
x meadowlander : 1/11/2018 3:51 pm : link
...still - like Beckham, as infuriating as Shock could be, there were more good moments than bad.

That said, I wouldn't wish the brain trauma shit on my worst enemy.

Hope he gets well.
RE: RE: I believe it.  
Reale01 : 1/11/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13782253 Modus Operandi said:
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Let's face it, you know there's a problem when your best season was your rookie season.



Or the first time you miss significant time with an injury, your team wins a SB without you. At which point you whine, elect to skip team related festivities, appearances, etc.

Total dick.


Giants - Shockey - Tiki = Superbowl
Shockey wanted to have a Threesome  
I love liverwurst : 1/11/2018 5:57 pm : link
With a mother and her twin daughters
I owned two Jeremy Shockey jerseys growing up.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2018 7:18 pm : link
So I'm saying this as someone who used to root for him and hopes he's going to be okay

A) He never lived up to his promise as football player. He was good, not great.
B) He did dumb stuff, some of which was detrimental to the team in real and meaningful ways. To the point where the Giants got rid of him. It's a long time ago, but some of us remember the disaster of a season 2006 was. That team had super bowl expectations too, and the locker room became a dumpster fire of Shockey calling out coaches for being outcoached and daring writers to 'print that' after losses, Tiki anonymously leaking his frustration at not getting the ball more, and Strahan spitting a PBJ sandwich at reporters.
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