Admittedly don’t know any back story but saw this today from his official twitter account
Don't like hospitals but I'll do any study to relive my head pain. Praying for the best its in… instagram.com/p/BdyPuzWAE6a/
Obviously speculation but wonder if he is dealing with football related head trauma/CTE. People hate Shockey but I saw him eating lunch in south beach a few years ago with Rosenhaus and he couldn’t have been nicer. Hope he’s alright
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Huh.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.
Yeah, I see that. But is it true?
I wish he'd handled himself a bit better. But I've always had the impression he's pretty well liked by fans, overall.
Pathetic.
Do you have a tape of the Tiki sucks chant? I was there and heard no such chant.
Pathetic.
no, unflinching apologists are pathetic. take the poster off your ceiling for a minute. Me and most people here have acknowledged his great talent along with his negatives and hope that his health is not in jeopardy. I guess all the examples of poor route running, not knowing the plays, not joining the huddle, running his own routes, missing the checks to shift the route tree, immature, self absorbed behavior, showing up teammates, none of that matters.
The shame of it is he should have and easily could have had a much better career here and possibly be a HOFer. I wish it would have worked out that way.
Other than being dumb as a f'g post, running the wrong routes according to many NFL insiders, and looking like he was running out of a burning building when he was at full speed, I thought he was a good player overall and his passion and toughness were admirable.
Not saying it was all Shockey, and some of the INTs are on Eli, but I would bet that a majority of Eli's INTs through his career occurred when targeting Shockey and later, Reuben Randall. They were the two we heard most often as "not being on the same page with Eli", i.e., they ran the wrong route.
Steve Smith has nothing to do with Shockey. It's not even close to a good analogy.
Steve Smith didn't have a reputation of frequently running the wrong routes, resulting in INTs and incompletions. And he never showed up Eli. He just did his job.
If Shockey behaved and did his job like Smith did (kept his mouth shut, ran the correct routes, caught the ball when he was targeted, didn't yell at the QB to throw him the ball even when he was well covered, etc.), there would be no discussion here.
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Yeah, they made the playoffs four of 6 years he was on the roster. They should have. They were good teams. It's not like he carried them there. He was a part of good team, not the reason for their achievement. If anything, you can make that argument for Barber, not Shockey. And he was probably the third best offensive player once they got Plaxico.
So we can't attribute team accomplishments to one guy but we can attribute a team's successful playoff run to a player's absence? No. We can't really do either. We can only go by what our eyes told us when watching the team play. Shockey was a good player who helped the team win games.
You have that correct. In one instance, Shockey is a contributor on one side of the ball. He wasn't a QB. He was a good two-way TE who other teams had to account for. Hardly a game breaker.
On the other hand, he goes down in '07 and a fifth round draft pick comes in and the team doesn't miss a beat. That same TE went on to put up numbers comparable to Shockey for the next three seasons after Shockey is traded.
Shockey's best year was his first. He had issues with drops (something OBJ gets killed for), had several on and off-the-field incidents what can at best be characterized as immature. At worst, and if you believe the stories about him killing Eli, a cancer.
I get. You loved #80. You liked the gold locks. But he wasn't Tony Gonzalez. He wasn't Antonio Gates.
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Huh.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.
Now you're just intentionally being obtuse.
Please cite an instance on this thread where anyone said Shockey was "total shit". Go ahead.
Pathetic.
Right? It's Shockey's fault the Giants blew a 38-14 lead??!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
That said, I wouldn't wish the brain trauma shit on my worst enemy.
Hope he gets well.
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Let's face it, you know there's a problem when your best season was your rookie season.
Or the first time you miss significant time with an injury, your team wins a SB without you. At which point you whine, elect to skip team related festivities, appearances, etc.
Total dick.
Giants - Shockey - Tiki = Superbowl
A) He never lived up to his promise as football player. He was good, not great.
B) He did dumb stuff, some of which was detrimental to the team in real and meaningful ways. To the point where the Giants got rid of him. It's a long time ago, but some of us remember the disaster of a season 2006 was. That team had super bowl expectations too, and the locker room became a dumpster fire of Shockey calling out coaches for being outcoached and daring writers to 'print that' after losses, Tiki anonymously leaking his frustration at not getting the ball more, and Strahan spitting a PBJ sandwich at reporters.