Retire or not? Holy shit you two are in mid season form already and we still have a month before pitchers and catchers. Who cares who is right or wrong, he would never come here anyway.
was rumored that the leaks about how bad the clubhouse was were coming from someone who is no longer here. Given the fact Bruce is back, and the Mets have spoken to Reed it's fair to guess it was Neil Walker.
But dont they still have Walker on the radar as well?
was rumored that the leaks about how bad the clubhouse was were coming from someone who is no longer here. Given the fact Bruce is back, and the Mets have spoken to Reed it's fair to guess it was Neil Walker.
But dont they still have Walker on the radar as well?
It doesn't appear to be the case. Every report has the Mets discussing him but not having spoken to him "yet" which in itself is kind of surprising. He's not a far worse option than guys they have tried for Kipnis/Kinsler which adds credence to the "rumor".
Was fair value. Everyone wants backend bullpen help but when we go out and get it we complain about giving up a second tier prospect? What top 100 list did Merandy ever show up on?
Top 100 is your threshold for value? If that's the case the Mets have 1 good prospect (Gimenez) as nobody else figures to show up on any reputable list.
What? Wow. You are up my ass today. Who said I said he didn’t have value. I said it was a FAIR trade. If I like Ramos it stands to reason I thought Merandy had “some” value. All I said was that he wasn’t an elite prospect or a “first tier” which is exactly what you said. I was agreeing with you!
Was fair value. Everyone wants backend bullpen help but when we go out and get it we complain about giving up a second tier prospect? What top 100 list did Merandy ever show up on?
Top 100 is your threshold for value? If that's the case the Mets have 1 good prospect (Gimenez) as nobody else figures to show up on any reputable list.
What? Wow. You are up my ass today. Who said I said he didn’t have value. I said it was a FAIR trade. If I like Ramos it stands to reason I thought Merandy had “some” value. All I said was that he wasn’t an elite prospect or a “first tier” which is exactly what you said. I was agreeing with you!
It most certainly was a "fair" trade. It doesn't mean it was a good one. He's a solid RP with an inflated salary. Could have opted to keep Gonzalez and sign a RP. On it's face 1-1 it was fine, I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
But IMO it was more of a trade that gets made by the Nats or Dodgers or Astros (for example) a team a middle reliever away from contention or looking to shore up the bullpen of an otherwise complete team.
I would not have traded one of my teams best prospects (top 15 at worst, top 10 reasonably) for a mediocre reliever (Ramos has had some decent years, but lately he's been at best mediocre).
Especially when middle relievers are easily available in FA for similar $$$ than what Ramos makes.
Cespedes, Lagares, Nimmo, and Conforto are made of glass and I’m happy we signed a 38 HR, 3 WAR player who just had his 30th birthday on a very reasonable deal? Da fuq?
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
Cespedes, Lagares, Nimmo, and Conforto are made of glass and I’m happy we signed a 38 HR, 3 WAR player who just had his 30th birthday on a very reasonable deal? Da fuq?
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
First of all.... go fuck yourself. Second of all, this isn’t a 90 win team right now or close to it until we make another move or two AND we get much better health. Third of all, every damn Mets poster on BBI had us winning 90-ish games the last couple of years. I literally posted the threads in the Mets thread below this so have had it. I was actually conservative compared to some of the win totals being thrown around. Fourth of all, go fuck yourself.
He still doesn't have a viable third pitch, doesn't pitch deep into games, and gets crushed by lefties. Combine that with the late season "shoulder tightness" and the underwhelming stat line in High-A and Dunn looks more and more unlikely to turn into the high-octane starter the Mets hoped for. Considering the Mets' position as a contender (a very short window followed by an almost certain down period in 2-3 years), I think the Mets might be better off punting on developing Dunn as a starter and converting him back into a reliever, where he'd probably fly through the minors.
Steve Sypa says:
Dunn is still far from a bust, but the warts are starting to pile up surprisingly quickly. He wasn’t necessarily a reach when he was drafted, but he was and definitely still is a gamble. Because of his profile- plus fastball, strong secondary pitch, lagging third pitch, stamina issues- I still think Dunn is fated for a bullpen somewhere, but even there, he will have to work on his control to avoid being placed in the “Rule 5 Draft reliever with flaws junk pile.”
It WAS a 90+ win team last season. We've done dick in the off-season. Perhaps that's the problem. Maybe Alderson was trying to knock down those doors on day 1 of the Winter Meetings with his dick. Couldnt get it up or in. Player agents and team executives assume the Mets elected to stand pay since we are fucking stacked.
So, 90+ win team in '17. No additions. Scratch that. We did add 93 relievers. Starting an average RF - No, not in RF- let's put him in CF. Bring back an aging, one-dimensional RF who looks like he's drunk on a high wire on every fly ball. He will, of course, hit 10HRs in June, then go on to strike out in 42 consecutive plate appearances. Cespedes will hit 3HRs in single May game, then rip his quad while taking a curtain call. Out 4 months. Don't worry, he'll return just in time to end the season by in solid form by booting ground balls all over the outfield.
Shall we go to the infield? Where oh where do we start? You've got Cedric the Entertainer at 1B at least until his gastric bypass surgery where doctors will have to retrieve 18 whole wet burritos from of his corony arteries. Jose Reyes at 2B, looking fresh with his new glove and cleats (bought at Dicks using his sweet AARP discount). We've got the swinging maelstrom at SS. He's never seen a pitch thrown inside his zip code that he didn't launch himself at. We've got Asrubel Cabrera at 3B. The guy who threw hissy fits in the clubhouse when he couldn't play SS and whom we tried desperately to deal, but no one wanted. Yeah, that guy's our starter at 3B. Just the type of pro you want Rosario around. I'd comment on d'Arnaud's play, but I've never actually seen him out of a body cast.
High point last season? Definitely the pinched testicles. So basically the same team at '17, minus Walker, minus an old and shitty Granderson, can't win 90+.
Cespedes, Lagares, Nimmo, and Conforto are made of glass and I’m happy we signed a 38 HR, 3 WAR player who just had his 30th birthday on a very reasonable deal? Da fuq?
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
First of all.... go fuck yourself. Second of all, this isn’t a 90 win team right now or close to it until we make another move or two AND we get much better health. Third of all, every damn Mets poster on BBI had us winning 90-ish games the last couple of years. I literally posted the threads in the Mets thread below this so have had it. I was actually conservative compared to some of the win totals being thrown around. Fourth of all, go fuck yourself.
Dude, you need to just fess up and admit what you are. In some ways, I admire your loyalty to the Mets. They are a poorly run organization with sub-standard ownership and yet your fandom never decreases. However, you're unable to look at this team objectively and you do it year after year. If you get called out on it, your response is to curse at someone, which likely means deep down that you know that person is right.
Because our lineup is so stacked, our braintrust has decided to shed salary. You know, to make it fair on the rest of the league.
We also don't bother scouting any American or International players. We don't need a farm system. That shit is expensive. Keep your international prospects. No thanks.
On secind thought, can we pick another career 4th OF with zero discernable ML skills?
This team is nowhere near close. One or two guys isnt going to cut it. It needs to be broken down.
Because our lineup is so stacked, our braintrust has decided to shed salary. You know, to make it fair on the rest of the league.
We also don't bother scouting any American or International players. We don't need a farm system. That shit is expensive. Keep your international prospects. No thanks.
On secind thought, can we pick another career 4th OF with zero discernable ML skills?
This team is nowhere near close. One or two guys isnt going to cut it. It needs to be broken down.
It's sad, but you're right. Mets fans are some of the most loyal and passionate sports fans there are. We deserve better, but the Wilpon's run the franchise like a struggling mid-market team. It's pathetic.
Where signing a guy like Jay Bruce, because the other options are worse(!) is now viewed as a solid move. That's how far they've sunk our expectations.
It's like a married guy who gets excited his wife is out shopping, just so he can jack off in peace.
We are that broken married guy. While the neighbor next door is banging supermodels.
And last year, I picked them NOT to make the playoffs. Why? Because they had 4 starters coming off surgery and a lineup constructed of low average, high K guys.
This year the lineup is more balanced and the starters will perform better as a group. Getting a new managerial team is also a huge plus.
My breakout candidate: Plawecki. He will .280 this year .?
But don't fucking patronize the fans with, "Hey, maybe if you bought some more ticket packs and overpriced beer in our non descript, boring, taxpayer-sponsored stadium, we might sign some better players."
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
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And last year, I picked them NOT to make the playoffs. Why? Because they had 4 starters coming off surgery and a lineup constructed of low average, high K guys.
This year the lineup is more balanced and the starters will perform better as a group. Getting a new managerial team is also a huge plus.
My breakout candidate: Plawecki. He will .280 this year .?
I'm not sure that the lineup can be expected to be any more balanced than last year. Bruce, Rosario and Smith all have very very high K-rates. D'Arnaud and Cabrera are both back and are likely opening day starters until we see otherwise.
Maybe Rosario and Smith can be expected to improve but 28.8% and 26.8% K-rates are really high to start with, so just getting those below 20% would be a dramatic improvement but still leave us with players who strike out a ton.
But don't fucking patronize the fans with, "Hey, maybe if you bought some more ticket packs and overpriced beer in our non descript, boring, taxpayer-sponsored stadium, we might sign some better players."
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
I agree with that, but what choice do you have though? As a fan, you just take the dick punch and hope for the best or move on to a different team.
the only choice you have as a fan is to not give them your money. And this franchise ownership seems to view that backwards.
But don't fucking patronize the fans with, "Hey, maybe if you bought some more ticket packs and overpriced beer in our non descript, boring, taxpayer-sponsored stadium, we might sign some better players."
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
I agree with that, but what choice do you have though? As a fan, you just take the dick punch and hope for the best or move on to a different team.
the only choice you have as a fan is to not give them your money. And this franchise ownership seems to view that backwards.
We're planning on moving up to Oregon next year. I'll wait until they put a team up there and make the switch.
This time, I'll be making a conscious decision to root for a small to mid-market team.
Yankee fans in Mets threads telling them how they should act about their team...Mets fans screaming from the rafters over signing a 3 WAR 38 HR bat on the cheap. Lol
Yankee fans in Mets threads telling them how they should act about their team...Mets fans screaming from the rafters over signing a 3 WAR 38 HR bat on the cheap. Lol
You're like the John Goodman Ditka skit from SNL.
If Jay Bruce were only 3" tall, how many HRs would he hit?
Yankee fans in Mets threads telling them how they should act about their team...Mets fans screaming from the rafters over signing a 3 WAR 38 HR bat on the cheap. Lol
Jay Bruce hasn't hit 3 WAR since 2013. He's averaged about 0.75 WAR over the past 4 seasons (2300 ABs). He's also never hit 38 HRs even once in his career.
I admire your passion for the team and hope we can celebrate a Mets world series here on day, but you have a habit of adding a little extra to numbers/facts to make an argument stronger in your favor, and then when called out on it, lashing out at the person doing that for nit picking. If you want to make your case, you should IMO try to be more careful with what you're saying, or at least be gracious when someone points out where you were off.
I've blown it on facts myself a bunch of times and it's no problem when someone points out that I missed it. I think it's important for us to use accurate facts, otherwise the discussion here just has no basis.
Yankee fans in Mets threads telling them how they should act about their team...Mets fans screaming from the rafters over signing a 3 WAR 38 HR bat on the cheap. Lol
Jay Bruce hasn't hit 3 WAR since 2013. He's averaged about 0.75 WAR over the past 4 seasons (2300 ABs). He's also never hit 38 HRs even once in his career.
I admire your passion for the team and hope we can celebrate a Mets world series here on day, but you have a habit of adding a little extra to numbers/facts to make an argument stronger in your favor, and then when called out on it, lashing out at the person doing that for nit picking. If you want to make your case, you should IMO try to be more careful with what you're saying, or at least be gracious when someone points out where you were off.
I've blown it on facts myself a bunch of times and it's no problem when someone points out that I missed it. I think it's important for us to use accurate facts, otherwise the discussion here just has no basis.
Dude. What are you talking about? I’m clearly referring to the year he’s coming off of. Did you see me say he’s averaged those numbers the last three years somewhere??? Bruce hit 38 HR last year (the Mets all time best is 41 in a season) and was worth 2.7 fWAR (your quibbling over 3 percentage points?) At only 30 years of age he has cleared 3 WAR 3 times and came close in two other seasons. The biggest difference with Bruce last year is that his defense was much better and I’m convinced it was due to defensive positioning, something that should continue going forward. Bunch of nitpicking today, holy smokes. The guy is a multiple time all star in his prime coming off a good season. Isn’t there a dog we can go kick somewhere?
36 HR’s and 100+ RBI’s for a corner OF at $13M a year is good value. Problem is the guy strikes out way too much and his production seems to come in spurts throughout a season.
RE: Yeah but I am in the boat that it is a good signing Â
36 HR’s and 100+ RBI’s for a corner OF at $13M a year is good value. Problem is the guy strikes out way too much and his production seems to come in spurts throughout a season.
Almost every power hitter is streaky. A few that aren’t are guys named Trout, ect. IMO, Bruce was the best OF on the market not named JD. Cain’s value is tied to his speed/defense and his decline has already started. I’d rather have the better bat as Bruce is likely to age better.
He also fills so many holes. We needed power back in the lineup, a LH bat to protect Cespedes... he guards against catastrophe in the OF (how do we even know how Conforto rebounds after tearing his shoulder?) typical injuries in the OF, and more.
Not sure why anybody would be upset about bringing Bruce back.
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
Is it Reyes over Flores or do the Mets once again not feel like giving Flores a shot at an everyday role at any position.
At this point I think the Mets have yo-yo-d Flores so much he's got Mejia syndrome and will probably forget he's taking PED's, if there was any shot at him developing into a legit every day player, even a slow as molasses one, it's gone.
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
Is it Reyes over Flores or do the Mets once again not feel like giving Flores a shot at an everyday role at any position.
At this point I think the Mets have yo-yo-d Flores so much he's got Mejia syndrome and will probably forget he's taking PED's, if there was any shot at him developing into a legit every day player, even a slow as molasses one, it's gone.
The implication from the "Reyes is a real option" writers is Reyes would be the starting 2b.
would be willing to give Flores an opportunity if he looks better than Reyes.
Flores looks like he has legitimate upside to hit 25+ HRs with regular ABs. Steamer really likes him and projects him to hit 24 HRs and contribute 2.1 WAR next year (if he gets 526 ABs).
is a hobby for them. They are a real estate company that also happens to own a baseball team. They don’t operate this as a business. They operate the Mets like they are a bank account for Sterling.
They don’t give a shit if the Mets win or lose. I mean, they pay homage to a player from a different fucking franchise in their stadium for Christ sake.
Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
My point wasn't to target him, I really didn't know why Koufax showed up every year at Mets spring training.
The players all raved about meeting Koufax and it seemed like an annual spring training highlight that I never questioned.
I simply didn't know the history.
Was Fred life long friends with Jackie Robinson also? Â
Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
My point wasn't to target him, I really didn't know why Koufax showed up every year at Mets spring training.
The players all raved about meeting Koufax and it seemed like an annual spring training highlight that I never questioned.
I simply didn't know the history.
Yeah evidently they have been life long best friends and have remained close.
Of course, I’d rather have them sign Moose or even Nunez, basically a younger version of Reyes, who can also play the OF
But considering they can probably get Reyes on a cheap one year deal, it would not be bad , especially given the relationship he has established with Rosario.
Mets could go either way this year, depending on the health of the starters. I’d rather see them go with what they got and then see where they are in July. If they are ten or more games over . 500 then add a bat at that time.
Mets should not lock themselves in with a bunch of multi year deals in free agency, even if they are relatively cheap deals. Given the randomness of injuries, you never know what position you will need to bolster at the trade deadline.
Also, they have to avoid guys on the slippery injury slope. No
More aging vets who have already missed time due to injury
gets a 500,000 raise as I always said he would. It's "impossible" to end up with less or even the same with the arbitration system. He was arguably the worst SP in the entire league and got a half million raise
-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.
gets a 500,000 raise as I always said he would. It's "impossible" to end up with less or even the same with the arbitration system. He was arguably the worst SP in the entire league and got a half million raise
-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.
Would've loved to sign Duda as Dom insurance and use the Bruce money to sign a player that can help us (Moose or Kipnis trade).
But dont they still have Walker on the radar as well?
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was rumored that the leaks about how bad the clubhouse was were coming from someone who is no longer here. Given the fact Bruce is back, and the Mets have spoken to Reed it's fair to guess it was Neil Walker.
But dont they still have Walker on the radar as well?
It doesn't appear to be the case. Every report has the Mets discussing him but not having spoken to him "yet" which in itself is kind of surprising. He's not a far worse option than guys they have tried for Kipnis/Kinsler which adds credence to the "rumor".
"nIt remains to be seen if the interest is mutual on Walker's end. Puma notes that there could be some "bruised feelings" toward the Mets. "
"nIt remains to be seen if the interest is mutual on Walker's end. Puma notes that there could be some "bruised feelings" toward the Mets. "
What can he possibly be mad about. Yea he got traded, but cmon he was also on the DL for most of the 1.5 seasons he was here.
maybe they can get Reyes on a minor league deal
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Was fair value. Everyone wants backend bullpen help but when we go out and get it we complain about giving up a second tier prospect? What top 100 list did Merandy ever show up on?
Top 100 is your threshold for value? If that's the case the Mets have 1 good prospect (Gimenez) as nobody else figures to show up on any reputable list.
What? Wow. You are up my ass today. Who said I said he didn’t have value. I said it was a FAIR trade. If I like Ramos it stands to reason I thought Merandy had “some” value. All I said was that he wasn’t an elite prospect or a “first tier” which is exactly what you said. I was agreeing with you!
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Was fair value. Everyone wants backend bullpen help but when we go out and get it we complain about giving up a second tier prospect? What top 100 list did Merandy ever show up on?
Top 100 is your threshold for value? If that's the case the Mets have 1 good prospect (Gimenez) as nobody else figures to show up on any reputable list.
What? Wow. You are up my ass today. Who said I said he didn’t have value. I said it was a FAIR trade. If I like Ramos it stands to reason I thought Merandy had “some” value. All I said was that he wasn’t an elite prospect or a “first tier” which is exactly what you said. I was agreeing with you!
It most certainly was a "fair" trade. It doesn't mean it was a good one. He's a solid RP with an inflated salary. Could have opted to keep Gonzalez and sign a RP. On it's face 1-1 it was fine, I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
But IMO it was more of a trade that gets made by the Nats or Dodgers or Astros (for example) a team a middle reliever away from contention or looking to shore up the bullpen of an otherwise complete team.
I would not have traded one of my teams best prospects (top 15 at worst, top 10 reasonably) for a mediocre reliever (Ramos has had some decent years, but lately he's been at best mediocre).
Especially when middle relievers are easily available in FA for similar $$$ than what Ramos makes.
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
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Cespedes, Lagares, Nimmo, and Conforto are made of glass and I’m happy we signed a 38 HR, 3 WAR player who just had his 30th birthday on a very reasonable deal? Da fuq?
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
First of all.... go fuck yourself. Second of all, this isn’t a 90 win team right now or close to it until we make another move or two AND we get much better health. Third of all, every damn Mets poster on BBI had us winning 90-ish games the last couple of years. I literally posted the threads in the Mets thread below this so have had it. I was actually conservative compared to some of the win totals being thrown around. Fourth of all, go fuck yourself.
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He still doesn't have a viable third pitch, doesn't pitch deep into games, and gets crushed by lefties. Combine that with the late season "shoulder tightness" and the underwhelming stat line in High-A and Dunn looks more and more unlikely to turn into the high-octane starter the Mets hoped for. Considering the Mets' position as a contender (a very short window followed by an almost certain down period in 2-3 years), I think the Mets might be better off punting on developing Dunn as a starter and converting him back into a reliever, where he'd probably fly through the minors.
Steve Sypa says:
Dunn is still far from a bust, but the warts are starting to pile up surprisingly quickly. He wasn’t necessarily a reach when he was drafted, but he was and definitely still is a gamble. Because of his profile- plus fastball, strong secondary pitch, lagging third pitch, stamina issues- I still think Dunn is fated for a bullpen somewhere, but even there, he will have to work on his control to avoid being placed in the “Rule 5 Draft reliever with flaws junk pile.”
So, 90+ win team in '17. No additions. Scratch that. We did add 93 relievers. Starting an average RF - No, not in RF- let's put him in CF. Bring back an aging, one-dimensional RF who looks like he's drunk on a high wire on every fly ball. He will, of course, hit 10HRs in June, then go on to strike out in 42 consecutive plate appearances. Cespedes will hit 3HRs in single May game, then rip his quad while taking a curtain call. Out 4 months. Don't worry, he'll return just in time to end the season by in solid form by booting ground balls all over the outfield.
Shall we go to the infield? Where oh where do we start? You've got Cedric the Entertainer at 1B at least until his gastric bypass surgery where doctors will have to retrieve 18 whole wet burritos from of his corony arteries. Jose Reyes at 2B, looking fresh with his new glove and cleats (bought at Dicks using his sweet AARP discount). We've got the swinging maelstrom at SS. He's never seen a pitch thrown inside his zip code that he didn't launch himself at. We've got Asrubel Cabrera at 3B. The guy who threw hissy fits in the clubhouse when he couldn't play SS and whom we tried desperately to deal, but no one wanted. Yeah, that guy's our starter at 3B. Just the type of pro you want Rosario around. I'd comment on d'Arnaud's play, but I've never actually seen him out of a body cast.
High point last season? Definitely the pinched testicles. So basically the same team at '17, minus Walker, minus an old and shitty Granderson, can't win 90+.
Do I have that right?
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Cespedes, Lagares, Nimmo, and Conforto are made of glass and I’m happy we signed a 38 HR, 3 WAR player who just had his 30th birthday on a very reasonable deal? Da fuq?
Btw, Mets need to make two more moves before I’m optimistic about 2018.
No. You're a homer because you think this poorly constructed team of "glass" can win 90+ games. Perennially. It's the thing I look forward to most after Christmas: Z's annual Mets predictions where every journeyman hits his career high and each pitcher makes it through to October. Every Alderson signing is shrewd and every prospect is Mike Trout.
You'd think the Mets were perennial contenders with the way you glowingly flip through team yearbooks and kiss your Sandy Alderson poster before retiring to bed.
First of all.... go fuck yourself. Second of all, this isn’t a 90 win team right now or close to it until we make another move or two AND we get much better health. Third of all, every damn Mets poster on BBI had us winning 90-ish games the last couple of years. I literally posted the threads in the Mets thread below this so have had it. I was actually conservative compared to some of the win totals being thrown around. Fourth of all, go fuck yourself.
Dude, you need to just fess up and admit what you are. In some ways, I admire your loyalty to the Mets. They are a poorly run organization with sub-standard ownership and yet your fandom never decreases. However, you're unable to look at this team objectively and you do it year after year. If you get called out on it, your response is to curse at someone, which likely means deep down that you know that person is right.
We also don't bother scouting any American or International players. We don't need a farm system. That shit is expensive. Keep your international prospects. No thanks.
On secind thought, can we pick another career 4th OF with zero discernable ML skills?
This team is nowhere near close. One or two guys isnt going to cut it. It needs to be broken down.
We also don't bother scouting any American or International players. We don't need a farm system. That shit is expensive. Keep your international prospects. No thanks.
On secind thought, can we pick another career 4th OF with zero discernable ML skills?
This team is nowhere near close. One or two guys isnt going to cut it. It needs to be broken down.
It's sad, but you're right. Mets fans are some of the most loyal and passionate sports fans there are. We deserve better, but the Wilpon's run the franchise like a struggling mid-market team. It's pathetic.
It's like a married guy who gets excited his wife is out shopping, just so he can jack off in peace.
We are that broken married guy. While the neighbor next door is banging supermodels.
Thanks for that enlightening comment and picture.
This year the lineup is more balanced and the starters will perform better as a group. Getting a new managerial team is also a huge plus.
My breakout candidate: Plawecki. He will .280 this year .?
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
This year the lineup is more balanced and the starters will perform better as a group. Getting a new managerial team is also a huge plus.
My breakout candidate: Plawecki. He will .280 this year .?
I'm not sure that the lineup can be expected to be any more balanced than last year. Bruce, Rosario and Smith all have very very high K-rates. D'Arnaud and Cabrera are both back and are likely opening day starters until we see otherwise.
Maybe Rosario and Smith can be expected to improve but 28.8% and 26.8% K-rates are really high to start with, so just getting those below 20% would be a dramatic improvement but still leave us with players who strike out a ton.
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
I agree with that, but what choice do you have though? As a fan, you just take the dick punch and hope for the best or move on to a different team.
the only choice you have as a fan is to not give them your money. And this franchise ownership seems to view that backwards.
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But don't fucking patronize the fans with, "Hey, maybe if you bought some more ticket packs and overpriced beer in our non descript, boring, taxpayer-sponsored stadium, we might sign some better players."
Fuck off, you inept dickwad.
I agree with that, but what choice do you have though? As a fan, you just take the dick punch and hope for the best or move on to a different team.
the only choice you have as a fan is to not give them your money. And this franchise ownership seems to view that backwards.
We're planning on moving up to Oregon next year. I'll wait until they put a team up there and make the switch.
This time, I'll be making a conscious decision to root for a small to mid-market team.
You're like the John Goodman Ditka skit from SNL.
If Jay Bruce were only 3" tall, how many HRs would he hit?
Jay Bruce hasn't hit 3 WAR since 2013. He's averaged about 0.75 WAR over the past 4 seasons (2300 ABs). He's also never hit 38 HRs even once in his career.
I admire your passion for the team and hope we can celebrate a Mets world series here on day, but you have a habit of adding a little extra to numbers/facts to make an argument stronger in your favor, and then when called out on it, lashing out at the person doing that for nit picking. If you want to make your case, you should IMO try to be more careful with what you're saying, or at least be gracious when someone points out where you were off.
I've blown it on facts myself a bunch of times and it's no problem when someone points out that I missed it. I think it's important for us to use accurate facts, otherwise the discussion here just has no basis.
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Yankee fans in Mets threads telling them how they should act about their team...Mets fans screaming from the rafters over signing a 3 WAR 38 HR bat on the cheap. Lol
Jay Bruce hasn't hit 3 WAR since 2013. He's averaged about 0.75 WAR over the past 4 seasons (2300 ABs). He's also never hit 38 HRs even once in his career.
I admire your passion for the team and hope we can celebrate a Mets world series here on day, but you have a habit of adding a little extra to numbers/facts to make an argument stronger in your favor, and then when called out on it, lashing out at the person doing that for nit picking. If you want to make your case, you should IMO try to be more careful with what you're saying, or at least be gracious when someone points out where you were off.
I've blown it on facts myself a bunch of times and it's no problem when someone points out that I missed it. I think it's important for us to use accurate facts, otherwise the discussion here just has no basis.
Dude. What are you talking about? I’m clearly referring to the year he’s coming off of. Did you see me say he’s averaged those numbers the last three years somewhere??? Bruce hit 38 HR last year (the Mets all time best is 41 in a season) and was worth 2.7 fWAR (your quibbling over 3 percentage points?) At only 30 years of age he has cleared 3 WAR 3 times and came close in two other seasons. The biggest difference with Bruce last year is that his defense was much better and I’m convinced it was due to defensive positioning, something that should continue going forward. Bunch of nitpicking today, holy smokes. The guy is a multiple time all star in his prime coming off a good season. Isn’t there a dog we can go kick somewhere?
Hahaha. That he did.
Almost every power hitter is streaky. A few that aren’t are guys named Trout, ect. IMO, Bruce was the best OF on the market not named JD. Cain’s value is tied to his speed/defense and his decline has already started. I’d rather have the better bat as Bruce is likely to age better.
He also fills so many holes. We needed power back in the lineup, a LH bat to protect Cespedes... he guards against catastrophe in the OF (how do we even know how Conforto rebounds after tearing his shoulder?) typical injuries in the OF, and more.
Not sure why anybody would be upset about bringing Bruce back.
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
Is it Reyes over Flores or do the Mets once again not feel like giving Flores a shot at an everyday role at any position.
At this point I think the Mets have yo-yo-d Flores so much he's got Mejia syndrome and will probably forget he's taking PED's, if there was any shot at him developing into a legit every day player, even a slow as molasses one, it's gone.
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Some quick hits:
--Not saying it's happening, but don't be stunned if Mets turn to Reyes for their infield opening (they just spent good amount on Bruce)
--Team's lack of prospects makes them hesitant to deplete that system even further (which could lead to IF add being a FA)
Is it Reyes over Flores or do the Mets once again not feel like giving Flores a shot at an everyday role at any position.
At this point I think the Mets have yo-yo-d Flores so much he's got Mejia syndrome and will probably forget he's taking PED's, if there was any shot at him developing into a legit every day player, even a slow as molasses one, it's gone.
The implication from the "Reyes is a real option" writers is Reyes would be the starting 2b.
Flores looks like he has legitimate upside to hit 25+ HRs with regular ABs. Steamer really likes him and projects him to hit 24 HRs and contribute 2.1 WAR next year (if he gets 526 ABs).
A cheap offensive player
They don’t give a shit if the Mets win or lose. I mean, they pay homage to a player from a different fucking franchise in their stadium for Christ sake.
still.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
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Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
My point wasn't to target him, I really didn't know why Koufax showed up every year at Mets spring training.
The players all raved about meeting Koufax and it seemed like an annual spring training highlight that I never questioned.
I simply didn't know the history.
Again I'm not defending many of his tone deaf decisions just pointing out his life long best friend isn't the best example of those.
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Sandy Koufax at spring training visit and ceremony was just because Sandy is a national treasure, I had no idea until much later in life it is/was because the Wilpons are Brooklyn Dodgers fans.
still.
Fred Wilpon is an easy target for a variety of reasons but it's fair to mention that he and Koufax were life long friends. I think I even remember reading once where Koufax only went out for their HS BB team to hang out with his buddy Fred.
My point wasn't to target him, I really didn't know why Koufax showed up every year at Mets spring training.
The players all raved about meeting Koufax and it seemed like an annual spring training highlight that I never questioned.
I simply didn't know the history.
Yeah evidently they have been life long best friends and have remained close.
But considering they can probably get Reyes on a cheap one year deal, it would not be bad , especially given the relationship he has established with Rosario.
Mets could go either way this year, depending on the health of the starters. I’d rather see them go with what they got and then see where they are in July. If they are ten or more games over . 500 then add a bat at that time.
Mets should not lock themselves in with a bunch of multi year deals in free agency, even if they are relatively cheap deals. Given the randomness of injuries, you never know what position you will need to bolster at the trade deadline.
Also, they have to avoid guys on the slippery injury slope. No
More aging vets who have already missed time due to injury
-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.
-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.
Would've loved to sign Duda as Dom insurance and use the Bruce money to sign a player that can help us (Moose or Kipnis trade).