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DanMetroMan : 1/10/2018 9:10 pm
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Not to veer towards the political, but this amused me  
Mad Mike : 1/12/2018 9:43 am : link

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RE: RE: Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13784405 Metnut said:
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In comment 13784393 DanMetroMan said:


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gets a 500,000 raise as I always said he would. It's "impossible" to end up with less or even the same with the arbitration system. He was arguably the worst SP in the entire league and got a half million raise

-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.



Would've loved to sign Duda as Dom insurance and use the Bruce money to sign a player that can help us (Moose or Kipnis trade).


Given the fact Duda is lefty and can only play 1b he'd be more than insurance. He'd be the starting 1b and Dom would be in AAA.
Duda, Bruce, and Smith  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 10:00 am : link
so three lefty 1B's?

yeah, I think they're going to trade Smith or they hate him.

Sandy is on the verge of having the 13, 12, 11 pick all bust on him from sequential drafts. I know the MLB draft is a crapshoot, but has another currently employed GM had such bad output from that many top 15 picks?

Flores should automatically be the 1B against lefty pitchers if he's not in the lineup elsewhere.

Just  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 10:02 am : link
to be clear before ZGiants shows up and starts "fighting" with me, I'm merely commenting on Rosenthal's report the Mets are interested in bringing back Duda. I do NOT claim to know what the Mets think of Smith, rather IF they bring back Duda it sure implies they aren't high on him.
RE: Harvey  
Shecky : 1/12/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13784393 DanMetroMan said:
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gets a 500,000 raise as I always said he would. It's "impossible" to end up with less or even the same with the arbitration system. He was arguably the worst SP in the entire league and got a half million raise

-Mets still interested in Duda... they must be very down on Dom.


Wish we had a time machine and could go back to the threads of when every single Mets fan panicked about the fear how the cheap Wilpons are going to cause us to lose Harvey to free agency one day. The assumption was we couldnt even affor d his last few arbitratration years. Incredible how it turned out, if you think about it.

And here we are laughing that Harvey got a 500k raise in arbitration after being the worst pitcher in all of baseball. And how most Mets fans are anxiously looking forward to seeing him leave already.

Btw - it will not shock me to see flashes of old Harvey at points this year. Hes a goner, but lets hope he makes it a difficult decision for the fans at least.
RE: Just  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13784441 DanMetroMan said:
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to be clear before ZGiants shows up and starts "fighting" with me, I'm merely commenting on Rosenthal's report the Mets are interested in bringing back Duda. I do NOT claim to know what the Mets think of Smith, rather IF they bring back Duda it sure implies they aren't high on him.


if it's true that they even have interest in Duda at this point with another lefty bat capable of backing up 1B (Bruce) and Flores on the roster (as a rightly 1B backup) you don't need a ouija board to figure out what it says about Smith.
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arcarsenal : 1/12/2018 10:11 am : link
Now Duda?

LOL. Do they know that other players exist? Or are they only aware of guys who have already played here?

It's like they're so eager to get "the band back together" that wasn't good enough to win with the first time.
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arcarsenal : 1/12/2018 10:12 am : link
Oh, and Reyes too!
Well I would like to see the Mets  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 10:18 am : link
re-sign Reed. He's a solid fit.

and I don't even mind Reyes, he can play anywhere in the infield and probably would lead the team in SB's again with minimal PA's. He's a perfect utility guy if he doesn't want a lot of PT.

I just think Duda is a major condemnation of Dominic Smith and if the Mets re-sign Duda it probably means or should mean they trade Smith to make way for Alonso (and that's me trying to find the silver lining - they like Alonso so much and have doubts on Smith - they want to trade Smith before the doubts are realized).

Problem  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 10:22 am : link
with Alonso is he's unplayable if he doesn't bounce back from the season he had in the field in 2017. I personally like the bat more than Smith's.
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arcarsenal : 1/12/2018 10:23 am : link
I'd be fine with bringing Reed back.

Just funny that the only names they seem linked to are guys who were already here.

Bruce, Duda, Reyes, Reed...

Maybe go outside the box and look for some players?
RE: Problem  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13784477 DanMetroMan said:
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with Alonso is he's unplayable if he doesn't bounce back from the season he had in the field in 2017. I personally like the bat more than Smith's.


This is my borderline sarcasm borderline hating to actually play baseball after the age of 13 preferring the contact sports, but how hard can 1B defense really be?

If a player wants to be good defensively and puts in the work, to me they should be at least decent at 1B defense.

Remember Wade Boggs, how much of a butcher he was at 3B, and he worked his ass off and became passable at a minimum at 3B. 3B defense seems like it should be harder than 1B.

How can you not be decent at 1B defense, especially for those guys playing it most of their lives?

RE: RE: Problem  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13784498 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13784477 DanMetroMan said:


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with Alonso is he's unplayable if he doesn't bounce back from the season he had in the field in 2017. I personally like the bat more than Smith's.



This is my borderline sarcasm borderline hating to actually play baseball after the age of 13 preferring the contact sports, but how hard can 1B defense really be?

If a player wants to be good defensively and puts in the work, to me they should be at least decent at 1B defense.

Remember Wade Boggs, how much of a butcher he was at 3B, and he worked his ass off and became passable at a minimum at 3B. 3B defense seems like it should be harder than 1B.

How can you not be decent at 1B defense, especially for those guys playing it most of their lives?


18 errors over 78 games (with terrible reports on mobility) isn't even playable at the position. That's full-on DH. Not saying he can't bounce back but that's really, really bad. Lets hope he took the off-season seriously.
Ive LOVED Alonso since draft  
Shecky : 1/12/2018 10:40 am : link
And he has certainly worked his ass off this winter. Lets hope it pays off. I expect a monster season out of him this year. Bottom five to top ten in one season - lets do it!!
RE: Ive LOVED Alonso since draft  
Metnut : 1/12/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13784520 Shecky said:
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And he has certainly worked his ass off this winter. Lets hope it pays off. I expect a monster season out of him this year. Bottom five to top ten in one season - lets do it!!


What level/team is he expected to start with?
RE: RE: Ive LOVED Alonso since draft  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13784527 Metnut said:
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And he has certainly worked his ass off this winter. Lets hope it pays off. I expect a monster season out of him this year. Bottom five to top ten in one season - lets do it!!



What level/team is he expected to start with?


AA
So longshot  
Metnut : 1/12/2018 10:49 am : link
in 2018 to play with the Mets (although can't completely rule it out) and likely 2019?

Hopefully the glove can come around a bit this year.
RE: So longshot  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13784537 Metnut said:
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in 2018 to play with the Mets (although can't completely rule it out) and likely 2019?

Hopefully the glove can come around a bit this year.


Obviously depends on who they sign at 1b or how Dom hits but Alonso in theory could see Queens this season. If his defense is 2017 bad he's not even going to be an MLB option for them. With a big year he could be the 1b of the future.
So what is the 40-man move?  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 11:00 am : link
DFA Matt Reynolds? Something with one of the 30 relievers on the roster? trade?

Seems like by delaying until Tuesday buys some time.

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Mike Puma‏Verified account @NYPost_Mets

Sounds like the Mets plan to officially announce the Jay Bruce deal on Tuesday.


Most  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 11:06 am : link
obvious cuts would be Reynolds or McGowan.
Signing any 1b and not trading Smith would be stupid  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2018 11:37 am : link
But I dont put it past them. Duda would be dumbest of all since hes a lefty, not that good, and injury prone, but again not putting it past them.

Reed back in the BP - great. Reyes as super sub - fine. Just really want them to add a strong defensive 2B who can gel with Rosario for multiple years. The defense is locked into sucking everywhere else, at least put together a strong double play combo.

Re Harvey - I actually expect him to have a solid year. After all the injuries and the shoulder muscle imbalance, I have to think Boras had him meet with every medical expert and get every scan there is. With FA on the horizon he probably got more focused than he has been in a long time. Can he turn back the clock and be in the convo with Thor/JDG again? I doubt it, but I think he can be a good #3
The problem with trading Smith now is his value is at an all time low  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 11:50 am : link
If they want to trade him then best move would be to send him to AAA and hope he plays well like he did last year which would help rebuild some value. The one issue is that there arent many teams in need of a 1B so there wouldnt be too many suitors. Of course injuries could change that.
Donaldson  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 11:52 am : link
new arb4 record, 23 million
I seriously doubt  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 11:56 am : link
Smith's value is at an all-time low from 2 months and 167 at-bats in the majors.

He led the PCL in hits and average and was among the leaders in OPS and other stats when he was called up and has hit every single stop in his minor league career despite being young for every level along the way.

I doubt a random Braves fan knows Dominic Smith's value.
RE: The problem with trading Smith now is his value is at an all time low  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13784649 Jay on the Island said:
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If they want to trade him then best move would be to send him to AAA and hope he plays well like he did last year which would help rebuild some value. The one issue is that there arent many teams in need of a 1B so there wouldnt be too many suitors. Of course injuries could change that.


Its hard to speculate on his value at the moment - he showed power and drove in runs at the mlb level, I dont know if it was enough to help his value but I dont think good offensive numbers in vegas are worth much either. I do feel confident saying his value would drop substantially if the Mets signal to the rest of the league that they think so little of him that they are blocking him with someone like Duda.
The  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
Mets should be looking at guys like Merrifield for 2b, not Jose Reyes.
Flores  
figgy2989 : 1/12/2018 12:48 pm : link
Arb deal $3.4M
TDA  
figgy2989 : 1/12/2018 1:19 pm : link
Arb deal $3.475
RE: I seriously doubt  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13784656 pjcas18 said:
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Smith's value is at an all-time low from 2 months and 167 at-bats in the majors.

He led the PCL in hits and average and was among the leaders in OPS and other stats when he was called up and has hit every single stop in his minor league career despite being young for every level along the way.

I doubt a random Braves fan knows Dominic Smith's value.

In not sure why you felt the need to take a shot at me I was just voicing my opinion as I do follow the Mets as a Braves fan and also because I live in NY. Smith was a top 50 prospect a year ago but he struggled during his call up which clearly hurt his value. It is not difficult to understand that Smiths value has taken a hit with the amount of interest the Mets have shown in 1B this offseason. Was I saying Smith is a bust? Absolutely not, he did show nice power during his brief stint which is an encouraging sign. Even a random Braves fan realizes Smiths value isnt what it was a year ago.
RE: RE: I seriously doubt  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13784801 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13784656 pjcas18 said:


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Smith's value is at an all-time low from 2 months and 167 at-bats in the majors.

He led the PCL in hits and average and was among the leaders in OPS and other stats when he was called up and has hit every single stop in his minor league career despite being young for every level along the way.

I doubt a random Braves fan knows Dominic Smith's value.


In not sure why you felt the need to take a shot at me I was just voicing my opinion as I do follow the Mets as a Braves fan and also because I live in NY. Smith was a top 50 prospect a year ago but he struggled during his call up which clearly hurt his value. It is not difficult to understand that Smiths value has taken a hit with the amount of interest the Mets have shown in 1B this offseason. Was I saying Smith is a bust? Absolutely not, he did show nice power during his brief stint which is an encouraging sign. Even a random Braves fan realizes Smiths value isnt what it was a year ago.


How did I take a shot at you? I didn't mean anything personal. If calling you a random Braves fan is offensive, my apologies, simply meant that you really don't have any solid basis to claim Smith's value is at an all-time low.

Smith's stock went up last year, not down. There were questions about power. he answered them. And his average didn't suffer.

He had his best season as a pro last year.

You (and I) have zero way of knowing if his 167 major league at-bats pushed his value to an all-time low, like you said.

I don't believe it did.

As Eric said though, signing Lucas Duda sure wouldn't be a good sign.
My bad  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 1:49 pm : link
The point I was making was that I just dont believe its wise to trade Smith now.
Agree, I don't want to have the Mets trade Smith  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 1:53 pm : link
I want him to be the everyday 1B, but if the Mets have legit interest in Duda and they sign him then I think they either have to send Smith to Vegas (which would be stupid, why? to work on his defense?, he has zero left to prove hitting in the PCL) or trade him.

That's why I made the comment in the first place. I doubt the interest in Duda is real, at least I hope it's not.

This includes Wright  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 5:52 pm : link
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Michael Baron
‏Verified account @michaelgbaron
9m9 minutes ago

My current #Mets payroll figures after all reported arb agreements today: $128,775,000.


If the Mets get 75% of Wright's salary back, it would be ~$113M.


RE: Just  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13784441 DanMetroMan said:
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to be clear before ZGiants shows up and starts "fighting" with me, I'm merely commenting on Rosenthal's report the Mets are interested in bringing back Duda. I do NOT claim to know what the Mets think of Smith, rather IF they bring back Duda it sure implies they aren't high on him.


Is this really necessary? If anything you attacked me in most of this thread. Its like you send out a bat single looking to be provoked. lol.
RE: RE: Just  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13785308 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13784441 DanMetroMan said:


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to be clear before ZGiants shows up and starts "fighting" with me, I'm merely commenting on Rosenthal's report the Mets are interested in bringing back Duda. I do NOT claim to know what the Mets think of Smith, rather IF they bring back Duda it sure implies they aren't high on him.



Is this really necessary? If anything you attacked me in most of this thread. Its like you send out a bat single looking to be provoked. lol.


All due respect but we have a history of disagreeing. I was merely commenting before that happened. No offense intended.
It's hysterical  
Modus Operandi : 1/12/2018 8:53 pm : link
That you guys are now arguing about arguing. Two generations from now, your descendants will be measuring their dicks against one another.
Twins sign  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2018 5:39 pm : link
Reed, 2 years just under 17M.

Less than Ramos (for 2018).

And he wouldn't have cost Merandy Gonzalez.

Good move Sandy.

8.5 mil a year  
spike : 1/13/2018 7:32 pm : link
is perfect good deal. We should've done it if we have any playoff aspirations
RE: Twins sign  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2018 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13786176 pjcas18 said:
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Reed, 2 years just under 17M.

Less than Ramos (for 2018).

And he wouldn't have cost Merandy Gonzalez.

Good move Sandy.


We probably couldn't afford it.

LOLMets.
Good news guys  
Modus Operandi : 1/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
At this rate, I wouldnt be surprised if they brought Benrnard Gilkey and Alex Ochoa to spring training.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2018 9:15 pm : link
We're in "serious" talks with Adrian Gonzalez now.

L O fucking L

They must have absolutely zero faith in Dominic Smith.
When you have the chance to bring back the core of a team that didn't  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2018 9:25 pm : link
do shit.
Whats Grandersons  
spike : 1/13/2018 9:30 pm : link
Phone number?

RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 1/13/2018 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13786579 arcarsenal said:
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We're in "serious" talks with Adrian Gonzalez now.

L O fucking L

They must have absolutely zero faith in Dominic Smith.

Why on earth would they do this? Duda makes a ton of sense. Gonzalez is finished and he is a problem in the locker room.
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PhiPsi125 : 1/13/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13786626 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13786579 arcarsenal said:


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We're in "serious" talks with Adrian Gonzalez now.

L O fucking L

They must have absolutely zero faith in Dominic Smith.


Why on earth would they do this? Duda makes a ton of sense. Gonzalez is finished and he is a problem in the locker room.


Dont try to understand anything the Mets do. Everything they do defies logic. Ugh.
Stupidst FO and ownership  
spike : 1/13/2018 10:08 pm : link
In baseball. Only in it for the money
Slight bump for this good mlb.com article  
Eric on Li : 1/16/2018 10:21 am : link
With Conforto an unknown I applaud them signing a very competent COFer but this article does a good job illustrating how bad the defense has been and how much of an impact Lagares has had when hes in. If hes playing well whenever Conforto comes back, then what? Bruce to first?
Is Juan Lagares the key to Mets improvement? - ( New Window )
What a disaster  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2018 10:30 am : link
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Mike Puma
‏Verified account @NYPost_Mets
59m59 minutes ago

Heard the Mets are taking the approach that Adrian Gonzalez, if healthy, will probably be their first baseman to start the season. There is a good chance Dom Smith will begin the season at Las Vegas.


So Smith wastes away in Vegas.

Jim  
DanMetroMan : 1/16/2018 10:39 am : link
Bowden is such a fraud, yeah the Brewers are trading Shaw to then sign Moustakas. Makes absolutely no sense. Every single team in baseball takes Shaw over Moustakas ($$, years of control, age included). It would be akin to the Mets trading Conforto in order to sign Lorenzo Cain. Farcical.
Smith didn't  
Metnut : 1/16/2018 10:41 am : link
look good last year in limited action but to send him to start the season in Vegas in order to give a washed up player like AGonz everyday ABs is ridiculous.

If they don't think Smith is ready to be the starting 1B on a contending team they they sure as hell need a better option there than AGonz.
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