Patricia or Wilks? Who do you want?

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was the smartest man in the room too

In comment 13782870 spike said:

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was the smartest man in the room too

We have a new room.

extensive, and because of that, I feel whoever its going to be will be the right choice.

In comment 13782870 spike said:

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was the smartest man in the room too

Yeah but Matt Patricia actually would be the smartest man in the room.

Very smart, lots of experience at the coordinator level.

He's got a proven track record. Good defenses even after they trade away his best players. He's won. He's a genius. He's coached both sides of the ball.

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I think he's learned from the best there has ever been. Combine that with his intelligence, years of experience and the fact he's coached both sides of the ball.

Do not like that he chose to coach from the booth

Wish the pick was between Matty P and Shurmur. Either would make me happy.

In comment 13782870 spike said:

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was the smartest man in the room too

So is my Dog in a full off toddlers

He might be a year away from being ready, though.

Home grown kid. Great attitude and know how to get the most out of his players.

IMO, I think it's down to Patricia, Shurmer and Wilks. Between Patricia or Wilks, you have to go with the more experienced guy in Patricia. Wilks may command the room better, but I just think Patricia has the other desirable intangibles over the others.

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Wilks train for awhile, but after the past few days, I've switched my opinion to Patricia. I would now be disappointed if we didn't hire him.

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In comment 13782870 spike said:

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was the smartest man in the room too

Wrong. McAdoo THOUGHT he was the smartest man in the room and spent too much of his time trying to prove to everyone that he was the smartest man in the room.

but I was not in on the interview process, so it's a tough call.

I just want to get this thing right

because the crop of candidates kind sucks on the whole. But if I had to choose one, it would probably be Wilks solely because he would probably bring DeFilippo along as OC.

Patricia has a higher ceiling. I remember a report coming out that some teams were so impressed when they interviewed him a year or 2 back, that they thought he could've probably been a GM down the road.

Even before McAdoo was hired.I want a guy who comes from the parcells/BB tree. I can't think of a better pedigree.

In comment 13782910 The_Boss said:

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because the crop of candidates kind sucks on the whole. But if I had to choose one, it would probably be Wilks solely because he would probably bring DeFilippo along as OC.

Defilippo would be nice, but the only issue with that is that if he does a good job, he will probably leave to pursue a head coaching vacancy within a couple of years.

mcadoo really wasnt the smartest guy in the room though.

....Belichick or Saban.

In comment 13782915 Breeze_94 said:

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Defilippo would be nice, but the only issue with that is that if he does a good job, he will probably leave to pursue a head coaching vacancy within a couple of years.

I've never understood this line of reasoning. Would you prefer someone that does not succeed? Having a chance at a promotion means you did your job well. We want people that do their job well.

Like Gettleman said. The HC is the CEO of the operation and he’s gotta know how to command and lead above all else.

it will be Patricia. My choice? I can't say because I don't know. But he is the less riskier choice. He's more experience than Wilks. He's coached both sides of the ball in various capacities. Coached under BB. If he was available to the Giants and they didn't take him and he went on to be great it would haunt Giants management and fans forever. Wilks is probably more of a risk.

I prefer Patricia.

But who the hell knows!

Which of the two has a cobra snake for a necktie?
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In comment 13782932 GoDeep13 said:

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Like Gettleman said. The HC is the CEO of the operation and he’s gotta know how to command and lead above all else.

I have read as much as possible about both.
What give you the impression that Wilks does this better than Patrica?

Locker room culture. Wilks has a no nonsense reputation and has the presence. The primary job of a head coach is a CEO and not X's and O's.

Have you heard Matt Patricia?. He sounds like he has not hit puberty and has immaturity tendencies.

The Giants need a strong, "grown" head coach that can clean up McAdoo's mess and handle the Odells of this world.

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as long as this one has some social skills.

I like Patricia's experience.

As a fellow proud, bearded American, that's my tiebreaker. Just turn the hat around and get rid of the pencils. He looks like a carpenter.

thereof of BB assistants is worrisome. Is it all BB the mad scientist, or does Patricia really gameplan and implement on his own?

Wilks obviously less tenured as a coordinator but as others have said, you don't want to take the opposite tack just because of the BM fiasco and lose out on a possible great hire. And he does have a working history with Gettleman.

Gun to my head: Wilks.

In comment 13782888 Gmanfandan said:

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Do not like that he chose to coach from the booth Wish the pick was between Matty P and Shurmur. Either would make me happy.

You have clearly never called a football game as a DC. Trust me, calling defense from booth is MUCH better for some coaches. Has nothing to do with speaking to players and everything to do with seeing the opposing team. When you call a defense you often are looking for specifics by the offense. Its easier to look for yourself then to ask another set of eyes to look for you.

- Longer track record as DC
- Lots of respect from his players (see Boston article this morning), though Wilks checks this box too
- Tech savvy - makes coaches/players more efficient and thus gives them more time to focus on important aspects.
- Seems more likely to incorporate advanced analytics into weekly prep -> could provide significant advantages in terms of identifying tendencies of his team and the opposition.

would be happy with either. With that, obviously the OC hire for either is going to be big but I like that Daboll, Defilipo or Hamilton (just to name a few) would likely be considered.

I like a clean HC resume. I like a defensive hire. I like that linebackers will presumably once again be valued. I like that the chicken shit behavior that has pervaded this locker room will no longer be tolerated.

In comment 13782940 dk in TX said:

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Locker room culture. Wilks has a no nonsense reputation and has the presence. The primary job of a head coach is a CEO and not X's and O's. Have you heard Matt Patricia?. He sounds like he has not hit puberty and has immaturity tendencies. The Giants need a strong, "grown" head coach that can clean up McAdoo's mess and handle the Odells of this world.

Patricia has a reputation to be a very good motivator and get the most out of his players.
Also he does not pull punches.
I get why people like Wilks he is an interesting candidate.
But people keep using this CEO quote.
Without any solid information to back it up

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For a lot of the reasons stated.
Plus anyone who pisses on Goodell gets bonus point with me.

get rid of the players that make it rotten. I understand the head coach is a CEO, but he's also not a therapist or a babysitter.

I think it's incumbent on the front office to populate the locker room with professionals so the head coach can do his job and prepare his team for the opponent.

Get rid of our idiots so they can go infect other locker rooms.

easily

It starts with the HC.

Get a guy in here who doesnt who will breakdown the risk/reward with whatever player.

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I wouldn't mind either of them. I think both are smart, assertive guys who bring different strengths to the table. Being a head coach is all about being a leader.

Don’t know why but Wilks coaching from the skybox bothers me. Just feel like D-cos should be on the field. But he’s been a head coach, even for just a year at a small school which is a plus as it shows he’s carried the load at least once, and he’s been through a number of programs in a number of defensive positions in the NFL. I like that he was an Assistant HC to Rivera because that indicates he’s had experience with the administrative tasks of an NFL head coach. He obviously has the support of Gettleman and they know each other. Gettleman is a hard acre and Wilks must already know this so they’d most likely get along. To be the first African American head coach of the Giants would be terrific too. Race shouldn’t matter, but every young man in the Giants locker room who isn’t white knows that race matters every day of their lives. I for one would be very happy if the Giants afforded a very qualified Wilks the opportunity to be HC.

I like Patricia’s press profile but he’s only been with the Pats and that makes it very tough to know what he’ll do without Hoodie the GOAT, Tommy Uggs and the unbelievable luck of the Pats. I like that he’s coached both sides of the ball in the NFL. I’d be fine with Patricia but I think Wilks appears more qualified.

No idea how these guys interviewed, of course.