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| Patricia is the favorite for the job, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the team’s coaching search. The Giants were impressed by his smarts and view him as the ultimate Bill Belichick protégé considering he was close to a blank canvas when he arrived in New England. |
hmm
I'm not the guy who's going to tell you "see? told ya!" about Mac ... but I was never completely settled with that choice, even after 11-5. There was always something about the guy I didn't love.
I don't get that at ALL about Patricia.
I'm not the guy who's going to tell you "see? told ya!" about Mac ... but I was never completely settled with that choice, even after 11-5. There was always something about the guy I didn't love.
I don't get that at ALL about Patricia.
Bingo. Never warmed up to McAdoo either.
Mountain Dew, Cargo shorts, unkept beard, WCW shirt. If we go on looks I'd say Detroit is the favorite to land him hahah
hmm
From everything I’ve read he and is wife have strong ties to the northeast. That could be the determining factor for him.
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it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
Then he came in last season with that "power do" on his head and tried to be all stoic - almost as if he either:
1)new expectations would be higher for him after 11-5 and he was trying way too hard, or
2) Thought he earned and deserved a lot more respect after his early success, and it went to his head.
He just came off like a dick though. It was just really weird.
Also am curious what kind of offense he’d want to have run here.
If he’s the guy, the coordinator picks will be very interesting.
hmm
Maybe that means he tops the list in both searches and he will get to choose.
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Jon in NYC : 8:13 am : link : reply
it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
The 20th rank is based on yards not points per game.
They are lights out in scoring defense
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Jon in NYC : 8:13 am : link : reply
it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
The 20th rank is based on yards not points per game.
They are lights out in scoring defense
My concern is once he doesn't have Brady will his numbers be worse.Nothing like a Brady to keep the other teams offense off the field.
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Jon in NYC : 8:13 am : link : reply
it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
The only year the Pats won a SB ranked 20th or below in D was 2001.
Year YdsRnk/Pts Rank
2016 8/1
2014 13/8
2004 9/2
2003 7/1
2001 24/6
Remember Fewell? Could not cope and went into a shell if he lost a starter? Not that.
Wouldnt it be interesting...
HOF NYG head coach Bill Parcells grooms young coordinator Bill Belichick in his mold before BB eventually moves on to his own HOF head coaching career in New England, where he then grooms young coordinator Patricia before he moves on to a similar career in NYG? Comes full circle.
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What sources? I haven't seen anything since probably Wednesday that they are the favorite to land him. Those rumors were from PFT over the weekend.
One writers speculation and words will hardly have any impact on the outcome of his time here. Nor if it didn't work out.
the Patriots run their base D less than 25% of the time, and are in sub-packages the bulk of it.
plus they were even a 4-3 for a few years during Patricia's tenure.
I'd say his bread and butter would be coming up with sub-packages to counter the offenses formations.
one thing I'd love to see is investment on the defensive side of the ball relative to their ranking. they regularly let players on D go instead of paying them like Chandler Jones, Richard Seymour, Jamie Collins, Logan Ryan, even guys like Vince Wilfork, the only guy I remember them paying is McCourty other than Dont'a Hightower and he's on IR.
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Jon in NYC : 8:13 am : link : reply
it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
Points allowed is a more important stat IMO. Patricia's defenses where ranked #11 in 2012, #10 in 2013, #7 in 2014, #8 in 2015, #1 in 2016 and #5 this year. That is pretty impressive.
1/4th of the Superbowl winning teams had the #1 defense for points allowed.
Out of these three, Patricia is the one that makes me want to like him as a candidate. Not sure if it is the fact that it is unknown what he can be as a head coach, or the known of the other two's performance when they had there shot. I do think it is time we had a more defensive influence here. The last 5 head coaches have been offensive minded guys.
the Patriots run their base D less than 25% of the time, and are in sub-packages the bulk of it.
plus they were even a 4-3 for a few years during Patricia's tenure.
I'd say his bread and butter would be coming up with sub-packages to counter the offenses formations.
one thing I'd love to see is investment on the defensive side of the ball relative to their ranking. they regularly let players on D go instead of paying them like Chandler Jones, Richard Seymour, Jamie Collins, Logan Ryan, even guys like Vince Wilfork, the only guy I remember them paying is McCourty other than Dont'a Hightower and he's on IR.
Where did you obtain that stat on the base/sub packages? That 25 percent figure doesn’t pass the smell test to me from watching the Pats a ton.
He's from a winning program, one that demands being a professional.
That's good enough for me.
Now go draft some football players!!!!!!
I'm not the guy who's going to tell you "see? told ya!" about Mac ... but I was never completely settled with that choice, even after 11-5. There was always something about the guy I didn't love.
I don't get that at ALL about Patricia.
I don't get the comparisons either...its lazy. Their resumes couldn't be any more different, as well as their coaching lineage.
Of all the candidates no issue with Patricia for the simple fact, he will bring some New England culture to the Giants, which will be fresh.
I would have preferred McDaniels, just because I believe he is a great offensive coach and will learn from his mistakes. I go back to the fact that all 3 QBs from last season for NE were starting this year. He deserves some credit for that.
NT - Snacks/Tomlinson
DE - JPP/Bromley (If OV to small for DE move Bromley)
DE - Vernon/Wynn (OV may be too small and move to OLB)
LOLB - Okwara (was a LB at ND)/???
ROLB - Vernon(?) / Williams
RILB - Goodsen / Draft Pick
LILB - Kennard / Draft Pick
CB - Jenkins/ DRC
CB - Cockrell/Apple
SS- Collins/Adams
FS - Thompson/Draft Pick
I think Okwara would be perfect as OLB - played some LB at ND and he looked good dropping into zone coverage a couple times and he has a decent pass rush.
Flame away....
They run a 4-2-5 base D.
I think if Hightower wasn't hurt, it may even be a more traditional 4-3.
but point is while Belichick may prefer a 3-4 if all things were equal, he rarely sits in base D and is not at all married to the scheme, and he's probably been a 4-3 as much as he's been a 3-4 in New England.
And the majority of the time is in a sub package.
And to that point Matt Patricia I wouldn't say a 3-4 is his bread and butter since I think he's pretty much able to improvise and adapt to his personnel and game situation.
That doesn't even make any sense ('ultimate protege'), sounds good in print.
It gives the reporter something to write, I guess.
I am not surprised who was eliminated from the list, that
part was predictable....Spags, Studesville, and Wilks
(because of his inexperience).
They run a 4-2-5 base D.
I think if Hightower wasn't hurt, it may even be a more traditional 4-3.
but point is while Belichick may prefer a 3-4 if all things were equal, he rarely sits in base D and is not at all married to the scheme, and he's probably been a 4-3 as much as he's been a 3-4 in New England.
And the majority of the time is in a sub package.
And to that point Matt Patricia I wouldn't say a 3-4 is his bread and butter since I think he's pretty much able to improvise and adapt to his personnel and game situation.
That is true, the one thing he and Belichick do however is require their personnel to be versatile, especially at LB and S/CB.
That could mean significant personnel changes on D the next couple seasons. We would definitely need an upgrade at FS and better depth at CB. I could see Patricia use Collins in various looks lining up as a LB and in blitz packages. I think a couple MLB types become a priority as well.
One thing that wouldn’t be in doubt is the necessity of bringing in really good LBs. It does not matter what type of defense or package, Belichick and Patricia both require lots of LBs, and ones who are scheme diverse.
In the first month, the secondary was having some serious
communication issues, specifically Gilmore as the newcomer.
That is glaring, didn't realize how huge of a difference it really was.
Mountain Dew, Cargo shorts, unkept beard, WCW shirt. If we go on looks I'd say Detroit is the favorite to land him hahah
It's a little concerning if he drinks that much soda lol, but get it done Giants, this would be great news. I think Matt Patricia would be a home run hire for this team.
Also, I have a few close Pats friends who have that shirt. It's actually not a WCW/nWo shirt, if you look closely it's actually Kraft, Belichick, Brady, Edelman, Gronk as the nWo with their heads superimposed over Hogan, Bischoff, Hall, Nash, etc. Someone made that shirt since the Pats are the ultimate heels of the NFL, and it became very popular amongst the fan base. The fans and team embrace the cool bad guy role, which I think is hilarious and awesome.
Can't wait after years of sustained winning for our gWo shirts.
Plus 1... I will add Heavy Handed and winning practice as well.
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Jon in NYC : 8:13 am : link : reply
it. He's the smart, analytical mind. Unlike Wilks, his unit has a history of success over a long period of time despite the personnel. It's definitely a big leap for him though.
The Pats as a team have had a lot of success, but they are still one of the only teams to win a SB with a defense ranked 20th or below and they did it twice.
I don't think that will detract from the ability of Patricia as a leader, as I think he'll be hired for approaching the game the same way Belicheck does, but based solely on his performance, he's second fiddle to the offensive guys who have come out of NE
Points allowed is a more important stat IMO. Patricia's defenses where ranked #11 in 2012, #10 in 2013, #7 in 2014, #8 in 2015, #1 in 2016 and #5 this year. That is pretty impressive.
1/4th of the Superbowl winning teams had the #1 defense for points allowed.
Out of these three, Patricia is the one that makes me want to like him as a candidate. Not sure if it is the fact that it is unknown what he can be as a head coach, or the known of the other two's performance when they had there shot. I do think it is time we had a more defensive influence here. The last 5 head coaches have been offensive minded guys.
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I wonder if Matt Patricia is hired if he and Gettleman get on the same page about LB's.
Patriots always have good and versatile LB's. From Phifer, McGinest, Ted Johnson, Mayo, Bruschi, Colvin (who was somewhat of a bust due to injury), Adalius Thomas (see Colvin), Vrabel, Nincovich, Spikes, Hightower, Collins, Van Noy, etc. even an old Seau played there and was decent.
I don't know if the Giants have had one LB as good as any of them in 20 years.
Remember Fewell? Could not cope and went into a shell if he lost a starter? Not that.
Yes. A thousand times yes.
He's been the defensive coordinator under Belichick for 6 seasons and has led some really good defenses in that timeframe. He has worked with Belichick and the Pats organization since 2006 and ultimately, will be charged with changing the culture around here. He most likely (from all accounts) has some really fresh and new ideas surrounding analytics. Most importantly, he can relate to players, as discussed by people in that locker room. He's 43. As Jon discussed, we need a growth hire that can stay with this team for 10+ years if everything works out.
He would be a great choice. Let's not breakdown every season and every game that he coached.