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| Patricia is the favorite for the job, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the team’s coaching search. The Giants were impressed by his smarts and view him as the ultimate Bill Belichick protégé considering he was close to a blank canvas when he arrived in New England. |
He's been the defensive coordinator under Belichick for 6 seasons and has led some really good defenses in that timeframe. He has worked with Belichick and the Pats organization since 2006 and ultimately, will be charged with changing the culture around here. He most likely (from all accounts) has some really fresh and new ideas surrounding analytics. Most importantly, he can relate to players, as discussed by people in that locker room. He's 43. As Jon discussed, we need a growth hire that can stay with this team for 10+ years if everything works out.
He would be a great choice. Let's not breakdown every season and every game that he coached.
He joined the Patriots in 2004, not that it matters, but...
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provided he never refers to the football as "The Duke".
Plus 1... I will add Heavy Handed and winning practice as well.
+2 maybe we can get back to complementary football
I always felt McAdoo was a lazy hire and the interview process was a sham.
The Pats mostly run a 4-3 base this year.
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provided he never refers to the football as "The Duke".
Plus 1... I will add Heavy Handed and winning practice as well.
+2 maybe we can get back to complementary football
God he was awful.. lol
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Mountain Dew, Cargo shorts, unkept beard, WCW shirt. If we go on looks I'd say Detroit is the favorite to land him hahah
It's a little concerning if he drinks that much soda lol, but get it done Giants, this would be great news. I think Matt Patricia would be a home run hire for this team.
Also, I have a few close Pats friends who have that shirt. It's actually not a WCW/nWo shirt, if you look closely it's actually Kraft, Belichick, Brady, Edelman, Gronk as the nWo with their heads superimposed over Hogan, Bischoff, Hall, Nash, etc. Someone made that shirt since the Pats are the ultimate heels of the NFL, and it became very popular amongst the fan base. The fans and team embrace the cool bad guy role, which I think is hilarious and awesome.
Can't wait after years of sustained winning for our gWo shirts.
I'm with you on this. That was his role, running a rebel shop. I actually like that. By contrast, McDaniels comes across as a bit of a jerk. Indy can have him.
This, and he could also be some hipster artisanal butcher in Park Slope. Some of that would have to change as a HC and it might not work. I hope it does, and from what little we can possibly know, it seems like a good option.
That is glaring, didn't realize how huge of a difference it really was.
That must be when Bellicick had enough. And started taking over
366.0 Yards per Game.
Giants were 2nd worst:
373.2 Yards per Game
Now that's progress!
366.0 Yards per Game.
Giants were 2nd worst:
373.2 Yards per Game
Now that's progress!
Now show me the difference in points allowed.
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weeks 5-17 they let up 168 points (14 ppg).
That is glaring, didn't realize how huge of a difference it really was.
That must be when Bellicick had enough. And started taking over
Yup that’s definitely all it is. It was also all BB the other years too when they had a good defense. No way a DC can ever make adjustments...
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And a total change in philosophy. LB’s become the focus of the D.
Wrong. Wade Phillips took a very good 4-3 in LA and it became a playoff caliber 3-4. It’s not this huge transition or transformation, its still 7 guys manning gaps it’s a slight tweak.
OMG, FInally someone else who sees this. People act like it is some sort of gimmick that requires specialized players only and takes a miracle to man...
Agree. Maybe it'll still come to pass. But if it's Patricia, maybe a good OC will serve that purpose.
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Past HC experience and successful in his OC stops. Giants are about to transition to a new QB and there isn't a better HC candidate to help with the selection process and oversee the maturation of whomever they choose. This is the most important position in sports.
Agree. Maybe it'll still come to pass. But if it's Patricia, maybe a good OC will serve that purpose.
thats why I think I like Patricia, we can def bring in an up and coming young offensive coordinator to groom a young QB. If Shurmer is the coach he becomes the coach of the entire team so he can solely focus on the QB...so that is why Patricia makes sense and hire a OC that sole focus will be to develop a young QB and let patricia run the team and implement his defensive schemes.
I’ve seen Greg Schiano mentioned as a possibility as DC for Patricia or DC to replace Patricia in NE
NT - Snacks/Tomlinson
DE - JPP/Bromley (If OV to small for DE move Bromley)
DE - Vernon/Wynn (OV may be too small and move to OLB)
LOLB - Okwara (was a LB at ND)/???
ROLB - Vernon(?) / Williams
RILB - Goodsen / Draft Pick
LILB - Kennard / Draft Pick
CB - Jenkins/ DRC
CB - Cockrell/Apple
SS- Collins/Adams
FS - Thompson/Draft Pick
I think Okwara would be perfect as OLB - played some LB at ND and he looked good dropping into zone coverage a couple times and he has a decent pass rush.
Flame away....
Wow...so much wrong in one post, but to point out the two biggest misses..
JPP is a 4-3 DE through and through, and not suited for 3-4 DE.
Kennard would likely play OLB. At 6-3 240, he has the build for OLB in a 3-4.
Then he came in last season with that "power do" on his head and tried to be all stoic - almost as if he either:
1)new expectations would be higher for him after 11-5 and he was trying way too hard, or
2) Thought he earned and deserved a lot more respect after his early success, and it went to his head.
He just came off like a dick though. It was just really weird.
Agree. He was arrogant, stubborn, and condescending.
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the Giants have for a 3-4 defense. I'll try, you correct,
NT - Snacks/Tomlinson
DE - JPP/Bromley (If OV to small for DE move Bromley)
DE - Vernon/Wynn (OV may be too small and move to OLB)
LOLB - Okwara (was a LB at ND)/???
ROLB - Vernon(?) / Williams
RILB - Goodsen / Draft Pick
LILB - Kennard / Draft Pick
CB - Jenkins/ DRC
CB - Cockrell/Apple
SS- Collins/Adams
FS - Thompson/Draft Pick
I think Okwara would be perfect as OLB - played some LB at ND and he looked good dropping into zone coverage a couple times and he has a decent pass rush.
Flame away....
Wow...so much wrong in one post, but to point out the two biggest misses..
JPP is a 4-3 DE through and through, and not suited for 3-4 DE.
Kennard would likely play OLB. At 6-3 240, he has the build for OLB in a 3-4.
I would argue that JPP is a bad 4-3 DE now. He has little speed around the corner and has had a hard time setting and maintaining the edge in the run game. He might be better as a 3-4 DE eating up blockers. He would line up in a 5 Technique ( head up on the Tackle ).
Tomlinson could be a 5 Tech DE as well with Snacks at the 0 Tech. OV can and has played OLB, Kennard could play inside or outside, Goodson strictly and ILB. I could see the Giants drafting a pass rushing OLB, would love Key in round 2.
There is nothing to understand because it makes no sense. And history has shown time and again, plenty of 1st time head coaches having success.
Whether or not you've had HC experience doesn't matter. You either have what it takes or you don't.
I agree...and what's more, if the HC had a winning record, they would not be on the market.
Yes.
Correct. Everything else is just noise. He's super smart, innovative and hungry. By all accounts the players love him. I can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't like this hire if we were to make it outside of just wanting something to complain about.
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after the first month of the season when they were getting steamrolled. They played much better their next 11/12 games and you have to applaud the adjustments made.
Interesting observation but it loses some impact with Belichek being such a defensive guru himself. No doubt this guy has demonstrsaed smarts based on his academic background but so did Handley. Fine with the pick myself if he is the guy. Just hope we get one of them
I hear you, but that would hold more weight if he was only a 1 or 2 year DC. Its year 6, I'm guessing BB leans on Patricia heavily and not just for analytics.
They could use Vernon the wAy they used LT. We always talk about the Giants back then as a 3-4 But LT rushed the passer 99% of the time. Only question is can OV play without his hand on the ground
Anyway it’s fun to speculate
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at this point. But don't know if Tomlinson could play end in a 3-4. Vernon and Kennard could play the OLBs.
They could use Vernon the wAy they used LT. We always talk about the Giants back then as a 3-4 But LT rushed the passer 99% of the time. Only question is can OV play without his hand on the ground
Anyway it’s fun to speculate
yes i believe OV can play without his hand in the ground...
it would look like this
JPP
Snacks
Tomlinson
Vernon
Goodson
K. Robinson if brought back
Kennard
i could think of SEVERAL guys in this draft we could and should take at LBer that would improve the front
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at this point. But don't know if Tomlinson could play end in a 3-4. Vernon and Kennard could play the OLBs.
They could use Vernon the wAy they used LT. We always talk about the Giants back then as a 3-4 But LT rushed the passer 99% of the time. Only question is can OV play without his hand on the ground
Anyway it’s fun to speculate
yes i believe OV can play without his hand in the ground...
it would look like this
JPP
Snacks
Tomlinson
Vernon
Goodson
K. Robinson if brought back
Kennard
i could think of SEVERAL guys in this draft we could and should take at LBer that would improve the front
I think they could play some 3-4 with minimal impact to the current D as you've outlined. There was a play in OVs first year here, a zone blitz, where he stayed with a TE 30 yards down field.
Second, Belechick loved his time with the Giants, loved it, and there is no fucking way anyone with an ounce of brains would take the Lions job over the Giants job if they have any balls at all, so these reports of him favoring the Lions are ridiculous. And for those that are going to tell me they have a franchise QB, tell me how many playoff games he has won, tell me how many rings does the Lions franchise have? It is pure typical New York hatred from the jealous media as usual.
We will see though