Strange year for him.
He seemed disinterested early (a problem he allegedly had with other teams in his career), was suspended for one game for multiple violations of team rules, but then seemed to serve as a loyal soldier the rest of the season.
He seemed solid in his play but two things:
(1) For just the second time in his career, he did not pick off a pass and his pass defenses plummeted. He usually is a double-digit pass defense guy but he only broke up one pass in 2017.
(2) Despite Jenkins being lost and the Eli Apple situation, DRC's snaps seemed to remain limited. Is this due to his role as slot corner? His fragility (even though he hasn't missed many games in his career)? Odd coaching?
Regardless, it will be interesting to see if he remains with the team another year. He's had a good four year run here.
Maybe he's a better FS at this point. Hmm...
But, I'd move on from his cap hit and look to get younger.
I think he's great as the 3rd CB/slot guy with maybe ~75% of the snaps. Even though he often plays through it, he gets nicked up quite a bit so I don't think you can rely on him as a top 2 guy.
If they can re-sign Cockrell on a decent deal (3 yr/$12M?), I think Jenkins/Cockrell/DRC/Apple/draft pick(s) would be a solid secondary with Apple's ultimate roll depending on his attitude.
That's a might big price for a situational defender. Lets see what a new coaching staff thinks, but I think he needs to be on the field more, especially when a team is decimated by injury and overall poor play.
He seemed very happy to be playing during the last game, dancing between snaps and all that. Seems like he is a good vet.
My guess, is he is gone mainly because of his salary and the money saved will be used to re-sign Cockrell. Dixon seems like keeper. I also think we draft a CB in the 3rd to 5th round area. Apple somehow will get a 2nd chance.
Obviously a lot depends on the new coach and DC, but I like having a safety with ball/coverage skills to play a more center field like S.
Could be New England's version of McCourty if one of the Pats coordinators winds up in NY.
I'd bring him back, but would not shed tears if he's cut at this point
But the lack of interceptions and PD's scare me when considering he is getting up there in years. (Didn't see any drop in speed out there though)
Wouldn't mind seeing him brought back at right price because without him what experienced corners do we really have other than Jenkins?
Unless we sign someone that experience could prove valuable to the younger guys.
Obviously a lot depends on the new coach and DC, but I like having a safety with ball/coverage skills to play a more center field like S.
Could be New England's version of McCourty if one of the Pats coordinators winds up in NY.
Do you think his tackling is good enough for the move to safety? Also, do you think he holds up at that position without getting hurt?
He's not getting younger, his reps aren't likely to increase. They moved the youngsters out there to get seasoned in the two CB spots once the season got out of hand.
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the Giants are considering making DRC a safety. I thought he played some safety down the stretch too. This was pre-regime change though.
Obviously a lot depends on the new coach and DC, but I like having a safety with ball/coverage skills to play a more center field like S.
Could be New England's version of McCourty if one of the Pats coordinators winds up in NY.
Do you think his tackling is good enough for the move to safety? Also, do you think he holds up at that position without getting hurt?
Depends on other options. But yes, he's a good enough tackler, he's one of the better tackling CB's on the team if not the best. I was thinking more of true a free safety role though if the new DC uses safeties that way.
But if my other option is Darian Thompson I'd 100% rather have DRC run out there at S over Thompson.
I know Thompson missed a lot of time, but he looked out of position on almost every play. Slow to read the play, slow to react, poor in coverage, poor tackling. One of the worsr players on the defense IMO.
If it's a money issue - the Giants have leverage and can address.
If there is any chance to contend this year we need him. Especially with our linebacker problem and the fact that our safeties aren't great in coverage. Slot corner is very important.
His play has declined but he's still better than anything we have in the slot and we have so many holes to fill we don't need to create more.
That being said, if Eli is gone, go with youth and cut him.
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the Giants are considering making DRC a safety. I thought he played some safety down the stretch too. This was pre-regime change though.
Obviously a lot depends on the new coach and DC, but I like having a safety with ball/coverage skills to play a more center field like S.
Could be New England's version of McCourty if one of the Pats coordinators winds up in NY.
Do you think his tackling is good enough for the move to safety? Also, do you think he holds up at that position without getting hurt?
Depends on other options. But yes, he's a good enough tackler, he's one of the better tackling CB's on the team if not the best. I was thinking more of true a free safety role though if the new DC uses safeties that way.
But if my other option is Darian Thompson I'd 100% rather have DRC run out there at S over Thompson.
I know Thompson missed a lot of time, but he looked out of position on almost every play. Slow to read the play, slow to react, poor in coverage, poor tackling. One of the worsr players on the defense IMO.
Fair enough. I was disappointed in Thompson too. I drank the cool-aid. ;)
Yep, it's what wore out his welcome in the past.
DRC as the last line of defense at FS would not be a good first option.
I think they limited his snaps to keep him healthy, but overdid it when injuries hit. I would keep him at a lessor price if possible.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't guys like hart, apple, flowers, etc who should be dealt with. They have sucked for a while.
But as a whole I still think players like DRC Vernon jpp Eli can be more effective next year.
Do I think he still brings something to the table? -- heck yeah.
Does his salary reflect his value? --- probably not any more
Is he slipping into the downside of his career? Yes he is, and his snap numbers stand for that proposition
DOes last season fully represent his abilities? probably not - it was a chit storm -- and the fact that he was suspended is not necessarily a reflection on him -- by all accounts McAdoo had a knee-jerk reaction to DRC that contributed to him losing the team. DRC was suspended for wanting to play and not wanting to be taken off the field. You don't think that could have been handled better?
If he stays he is going to take a lower salary next year -- but it is more likely that Gettleman replaces him
Do I think he still brings something to the table? -- heck yeah.
Does his salary reflect his value? --- probably not any more
Is he slipping into the downside of his career? Yes he is, and his snap numbers stand for that proposition
DOes last season fully represent his abilities? probably not - it was a chit storm -- and the fact that he was suspended is not necessarily a reflection on him -- by all accounts McAdoo had a knee-jerk reaction to DRC that contributed to him losing the team. DRC was suspended for wanting to play and not wanting to be taken off the field. You don't think that could have been handled better?
If he stays he is going to take a lower salary next year -- but it is more likely that Gettleman replaces him
The only way that you can move on from a quality corner like that is if you KNOW that your QB pressure is going to improve significantly.
But Giants are probably going to cut him
Plus, with all the other roster holes to fill and the uncertainty surrounding Apple, who I think they should trade away, keeping DRC means one fewer position problem to solve.
Do I think he still brings something to the table? -- heck yeah.
Does his salary reflect his value? --- probably not any more
Is he slipping into the downside of his career? Yes he is, and his snap numbers stand for that proposition
DOes last season fully represent his abilities? probably not - it was a chit storm -- and the fact that he was suspended is not necessarily a reflection on him -- by all accounts McAdoo had a knee-jerk reaction to DRC that contributed to him losing the team. DRC was suspended for wanting to play and not wanting to be taken off the field. You don't think that could have been handled better?
If he stays he is going to take a lower salary next year -- but it is more likely that Gettleman replaces him
Good point about Gettleman. The question I see is does moving on make sense right now given the current makeup of the team? Will it cause more harm than good?
Right now my opinion (as if it mattered) is we need him. Lets see what happens in FA and the draft.
Having CB depth is much needed in today's NFL, and having a veteran guy who can play outside, slot and safety is coveted. I think this next year I would like to see him play more of the center fielder role as a FS.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't guys like hart, apple, flowers, etc who should be dealt with. They have sucked for a while.
But as a whole I still think players like DRC Vernon jpp Eli can be more effective next year.
I agree with this.
He still has the upside to be a very good corner. His salary isn’t stopping the Giants from signing anyone. Let him play out his contract and re-evaluate after 18.
Depends on how DG and new coaches view him I guess.
While he did get in trouble, he played with a whole lot more 'team' attitude than either Apple or Jenkins.
My theory on his decline is that he saw less PT due to Apple, who didn't appear to take the job seriously. Had to be frustrating.
Also he's insurance for Apple
Interestingly and as expected the same fans over-value Ross Cockrell who had his first above average season.
DRC also plays injured not afraid to tackle runners.
I do not understand the urgency to shove him out-the-door.
Next to Jackrabbit, he's the best corner on the team.
Cockrell was the football god's gift to the Giants; he makes Eli Apple's implosion bearable. (This unit could probably stand some draft-day help)
The BIG problem with the defense, this past season was injuries - that destroyed the linebacking corps (as well as JPP & Olivier plying hurt all year)
But, the guy wants to play.
He got thrown in the bin with Apple by a lot of fans because of his brief suspension, but consider what the issue was. The guy was trying to get into a game when he was hurt and lost his cool because the coach wouldn't let him.
A guy like that can play for my team any day. He was still busting it in games that didn't matter.
The speed is undeniable and CB depth is critical. He can run, he can cover. He's not a real physical guy and I know he doesn't like to stick his nose in there and initiate contact - but he's still a good piece and it's not crushing our cap to retain him.
I hope he's still here next season.
He's a guy who busts it and can absolutely fly when he hits the gas.