...does not make him a poor match for NYC and its media. What makes for a poor match is someone who is stupid, naive, insecure, and/or defensive. At this point there is no reason to believe Rosen is any of those things.
RE: The fact that Rosen is opinionated and outspoken... Â
...does not make him a poor match for NYC and its media. What makes for a poor match is someone who is stupid, naive, insecure, and/or defensive. At this point there is no reason to believe Rosen is any of those things.
Yes, if any of the top QBs could deal with NY, it’s Rosen.
that you deny there is a media issue in NY in spite of everything you’ve just witnessed this season. Denying reality doesnt make your wishes come true. This isnt Disney World.
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that you deny there is a media issue in NY in spite of everything you’ve just witnessed this season. Denying reality doesnt make your wishes come true. This isnt Disney World.
Seems to me the exact opposite is true: some of you are so opposed to Rosen that you conjure up issues with no basis in reality.
so, Trent Dilfer, who knows him well and has supervised him, says he has a demanding personality like Peyton Manning, and that leads you to conclude, he is not like Peyton Manning but Ryan Leaf?
Yeah thats half of what he said. He also said half the people are going to hate him because of his personality. How do you think that is going to work with the NY media?
RE: Rosen does NOT equal Leaf. Totally different.Leaf was the high ceiling Â
guy but unpolished. Needed a lot of work. More like Darnold or Allen.
Rosen is the high floor guy. Injury history is a big problem. Knees and concussions are the worst risk for a QB. Better to have broken some bones.
Bullshit. Leaf had all the attributes you wanted in a QB. No one ever foresaw or at least publicly noted that he was an immature man baby which is EXACTLY what Rosen sounds like he is. Typical Millennial.
Not sure if you meant this in a funny way, but that's probably true. And the same is true for Mantle based on what was written of his issues. Namath would've gotten destroyed for the guarantee, for the womanizing persona, etc. Mantle for his drinking.
Except Namath only became a celebrity AFTER he was in NY. Coming out of Alabama he did not have the reputation of playboy. Also if you know anything about Namath he was more on the conservative side while in college. He only became Namath in NY when he embraced his celebrity.
Rosen's questionable mobility has less to do with escapability Â
and has more to do with Rosen who doesn't give up on a passing play and will stand in willing to take a big hit. So: Do you clap Rosen on the back for hanging in there or do you say moron get rid of the ball?
Didn't Aaron Rodgers have concussion issues and they designed him a fancy new helmet and he hasn't suffered them since "that we know of", I'm pretty sure the team that drafts Rosen could do the same.
but if anyone Darnold looks like a Ryan Leaf more to me but you never know But watching Darnold he does not look ready for the NFL of course none of us knows for sure.
RE: RE: Rosen does NOT equal Leaf. Totally different.Leaf was the high ceiling Â
Leaf had all the attributes you wanted in a QB. No one ever foresaw or at least publicly noted that he was an immature man baby which is EXACTLY what Rosen sounds like he is. Typical Millennial.
Rosen is anything but a typical millennial. He has worked hard at everything he has pursued and achieved success. He may have been born into a wealthy family, but wealth didn't make him one of the top junior tennis players in the country, wealth didn't make him a straight A student, wealth didn't make him the top QB recruit in the country, and wealth isn't the reason he succeeded at UCLA both on the field and in the class room.
Of all the college QBs in the country, he is the one who is said to be the most NFL ready, the one with the best footwork and the best mechanics. Why is that? It wasn't handed to him, he worked at it. And he must've been a pretty coachable kid, too, or all the work in the world wouldn't matter much.
but if anyone Darnold looks like a Ryan Leaf more to me but you never know But watching Darnold he does not look ready for the NFL of course none of us knows for sure.
Rosen-Bashing on this site has really gotten ridiculous and bordering on insanity, if not insulting to him and those who have some modicum or intelligence.
Darnold is by far the greater risk from a football standpoint. Mechanics are sloppy, footwork is as well. He has a strong arm and can extend plays but I see a strong lack of football IQ with how he handles running an offense and he has a tendency to not read the pocket well. Ball security and decision making can be improved by coaching but all the other attributes can be tough to mold or rework.
If I had the #1 pick I would take Rosen, not Darnold. I might not even take Darnold second or third. The more and more I watch back on some of his tape the more concerned and troubled I am with him. He needs a lot of work to translate into a high impact QB at the NFL level. I watched a few of his games last year and while he was productive, some troubling things from a mechanics standpoint are still very pronounced.
Ryan Leaf was a bust because what was going on his head. It was not his talent.
Report at the time was that the Colts put a $1 bill in the playbook. That they gave to Peyton & Leaf. Peyton returned the $1 and gave a detailed breakdown of the play with the bill on it. Leaf returned the playbook with the $1 still in it.
Neither Rosen or Darnold will bust like Ryan Leaf. They are both intelligent, hard working and determined football players.
In addition, Leaf has been arrested numerous times for burglary & drugs. This is not Rosen & Darnold.
If the Giants are going to compete in the East, we need to find an answer to Wentz. I'm not sure we will have the talent to outshoot the Eagles anytime soon, unless the offense returns to 2015 standards.
Can Rosen be the equalizer to Wentz?
I'd be looking at a way to neutralize Wentz with my first rounder if it's there. Might be Bradley Chubb or Minkah Fitzgerald. Might be Mayfield as he offers a more diverse skill set.
is he’s the safest pick of all the QBs. He’s 6’5”ish, big arm & he will KILL IT at the chalkboard. He already sees the field & reads defenses like an NFL QB. He delivers the ball accurately & on time. Running QBs always have the sexy triangle numbers but it’s actually pocket passing that is required in the NFL - running QBs are a bad thing. Always there, tempting like Sirens.
Rosen is a skilled pocket passer, far advanced from any other QB in this draft at that which barely gets noticed in college Spread Land. The pocket passing makes him very attractive to NFL teams particularly those looking for power running/play action style. Thats what wins in the NFL.
Will get under Rosen's skin or "destroy" him is absurd.
Destroy him for what reason exactly? Because he's a smart guy that demands excellence from himself and others? Sounds like a New Yorker to me.
Get used to it guys. Unless Cleveland surprises everyone and picks him instead of Darnold, Rosen will be the Giants' pick. 100% Completion Rate - ( New Window )
Point is going right over your head.
It's because the kid already before stepping foot into the NFL is looking to being a lightning rod for the media regarding non-football related topics.
It would be a bloodbath. Every time a hot topic came up they would run to his locker for a soundbite.
Will get under Rosen's skin or "destroy" him is absurd.
Destroy him for what reason exactly? Because he's a smart guy that demands excellence from himself and others? Sounds like a New Yorker to me.
Get used to it guys. Unless Cleveland surprises everyone and picks him instead of Darnold, Rosen will be the Giants' pick. 100% Completion Rate - ( New Window )
Point is going right over your head.
It's because the kid already before stepping foot into the NFL is looking to being a lightning rod for the media regarding non-football related topics.
It would be a bloodbath. Every time a hot topic came up they would run to his locker for a soundbite.
Yeah? Doesn’t mean he’d always respond. And how would that affect his performance on the field?
I’ve been in the trade down camp but wouldn’t flip out if Rosen is the pick. I just don’t think it’s the best decision for the Giants all things considered.
I think he’s the best QB in the draft — and if the class is loaded as some people believe, and Rosen is the best/stays healthy, the Giants should be in a good spot after a smart rebuild.
So the actual safest pick is Sam Darnold. A clean bill of health, a great arm, mobility, and more production.
If you're the Browns you can add in the fact that Darnold would be happy to be chosen by them. Leaving Rosen to be chosen by Big Blue. Everybody goes home happy!
Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy.
It's sad that the only reason there's any truth to this is because people insist on eating up the shit coverage that gets sold in this town.
LOL give me a break. I love how you pretend you are bothered on a non-partisan level by this, considering we've all read your posts and know where you stand.
NYC media would 100% NOT "eat him up" for wearing a Fuck Trump hat.
Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy.
It's sad that the only reason there's any truth to this is because people insist on eating up the shit coverage that gets sold in this town.
LOL give me a break. I love how you pretend you are bothered on a non-partisan level by this, considering we've all read your posts and know where you stand.
NYC media would 100% NOT "eat him up" for wearing a Fuck Trump hat.
"Where I stand" on what? I think you're confusing my posts for someone else. I haven't gotten into any discussion whatsoever over the President on any part of this site.
He has no real mobility now and he'll have even less when he is 30.
This isn't true. Maybe not as much as Aaron Rodgers or a young Roethlisberger, but at least as much as Brady, Peyton, Eli, Ryan, and a very long list of successful NFL pocket passers who weren't a big threat to run. I would liken him to the early years of Joe Montana (when it comes to mobility), if you're old enough to remember those days.
You mean AT LEAST as much as gazelles Peyton, Eli, and Tom Brady?! WOW! ;)
That's my point. I know, a good argument would be that both Tom Brady and Matt Ryan were in the Super Bowl last year. And that both are still in it this year. But I do feel like that escapability attribute is increasingly important for the reasons I stated above, and the most successful QBs will be mobile ones.
think his injury history will preclude the Giants taking him. Assuming the Browns feel similarly and therefore take Darnold, that leaves Allen, Barkley, or a trade down. I would prefer a trade down, but am fine with any of those choices.
Other than that, I have zero concerns. The best pure passer in the draft, and don’t buy the “he’s a statue” bullshit. He’s a pocket passer, which the NFL wants, but he’s much more athletic than some want to acknowledge. He’s certainly not Lamar Jackson, or even Sam Darnold, but he can move.
And Reggie Jackson, forget it. Would never make it.
Yes, if any of the top QBs could deal with NY, it’s Rosen.
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If its not Darnold draft Barkley and try to win.
so, Trent Dilfer, who knows him well and has supervised him, says he has a demanding personality like Peyton Manning, and that leads you to conclude, he is not like Peyton Manning but Ryan Leaf?
Yeah thats half of what he said. He also said half the people are going to hate him because of his personality. How do you think that is going to work with the NY media?
Rosen is the high floor guy. Injury history is a big problem. Knees and concussions are the worst risk for a QB. Better to have broken some bones.
Bullshit. Leaf had all the attributes you wanted in a QB. No one ever foresaw or at least publicly noted that he was an immature man baby which is EXACTLY what Rosen sounds like he is. Typical Millennial.
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Not sure if you meant this in a funny way, but that's probably true. And the same is true for Mantle based on what was written of his issues. Namath would've gotten destroyed for the guarantee, for the womanizing persona, etc. Mantle for his drinking.
Except Namath only became a celebrity AFTER he was in NY. Coming out of Alabama he did not have the reputation of playboy. Also if you know anything about Namath he was more on the conservative side while in college. He only became Namath in NY when he embraced his celebrity.
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... that we know of.
Didn't Aaron Rodgers have concussion issues and they designed him a fancy new helmet and he hasn't suffered them since "that we know of", I'm pretty sure the team that drafts Rosen could do the same.
Helmets don't stop concussions
Of all the college QBs in the country, he is the one who is said to be the most NFL ready, the one with the best footwork and the best mechanics. Why is that? It wasn't handed to him, he worked at it. And he must've been a pretty coachable kid, too, or all the work in the world wouldn't matter much.
Yeah, his footwork is terrible.
Darnold is by far the greater risk from a football standpoint. Mechanics are sloppy, footwork is as well. He has a strong arm and can extend plays but I see a strong lack of football IQ with how he handles running an offense and he has a tendency to not read the pocket well. Ball security and decision making can be improved by coaching but all the other attributes can be tough to mold or rework.
If I had the #1 pick I would take Rosen, not Darnold. I might not even take Darnold second or third. The more and more I watch back on some of his tape the more concerned and troubled I am with him. He needs a lot of work to translate into a high impact QB at the NFL level. I watched a few of his games last year and while he was productive, some troubling things from a mechanics standpoint are still very pronounced.
Report at the time was that the Colts put a $1 bill in the playbook. That they gave to Peyton & Leaf. Peyton returned the $1 and gave a detailed breakdown of the play with the bill on it. Leaf returned the playbook with the $1 still in it.
Neither Rosen or Darnold will bust like Ryan Leaf. They are both intelligent, hard working and determined football players.
In addition, Leaf has been arrested numerous times for burglary & drugs. This is not Rosen & Darnold.
Can Rosen be the equalizer to Wentz?
I'd be looking at a way to neutralize Wentz with my first rounder if it's there. Might be Bradley Chubb or Minkah Fitzgerald. Might be Mayfield as he offers a more diverse skill set.
Rosen is a skilled pocket passer, far advanced from any other QB in this draft at that which barely gets noticed in college Spread Land. The pocket passing makes him very attractive to NFL teams particularly those looking for power running/play action style. Thats what wins in the NFL.
Destroy him for what reason exactly? Because he's a smart guy that demands excellence from himself and others? Sounds like a New Yorker to me.
Get used to it guys. Unless Cleveland surprises everyone and picks him instead of Darnold, Rosen will be the Giants' pick. 100% Completion Rate - ( New Window )
Point is going right over your head.
It's because the kid already before stepping foot into the NFL is looking to being a lightning rod for the media regarding non-football related topics.
It would be a bloodbath. Every time a hot topic came up they would run to his locker for a soundbite.
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Will get under Rosen's skin or "destroy" him is absurd.
Destroy him for what reason exactly? Because he's a smart guy that demands excellence from himself and others? Sounds like a New Yorker to me.
Get used to it guys. Unless Cleveland surprises everyone and picks him instead of Darnold, Rosen will be the Giants' pick. 100% Completion Rate - ( New Window )
Point is going right over your head.
It's because the kid already before stepping foot into the NFL is looking to being a lightning rod for the media regarding non-football related topics.
It would be a bloodbath. Every time a hot topic came up they would run to his locker for a soundbite.
Yeah? Doesn’t mean he’d always respond. And how would that affect his performance on the field?
I think he’s the best QB in the draft — and if the class is loaded as some people believe, and Rosen is the best/stays healthy, the Giants should be in a good spot after a smart rebuild.
With his injury history, you statement doesn’t holdup. Rosen has had multiple concussions and shoulder surgery on his throwing side.
He may be more Sam Bradford than Peyton Manning.
So the actual safest pick is Sam Darnold. A clean bill of health, a great arm, mobility, and more production.
So the actual safest pick is Sam Darnold. A clean bill of health, a great arm, mobility, and more production.
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But it won't be in NY.
The media would destroy him.
Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy.
It's sad that the only reason there's any truth to this is because people insist on eating up the shit coverage that gets sold in this town.
LOL give me a break. I love how you pretend you are bothered on a non-partisan level by this, considering we've all read your posts and know where you stand.
NYC media would 100% NOT "eat him up" for wearing a Fuck Trump hat.
I’m 29 and Rosen just seems like a gigantic fucking dickhead. I’m sure the rumors of his UCLA teammates disliking him don’t come from thin air.
He’s not very mobile and he’s injuried all the time. The concussion history should make him the reason not to pick him.
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But it won't be in NY.
The media would destroy him.
Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy.
It's sad that the only reason there's any truth to this is because people insist on eating up the shit coverage that gets sold in this town.
LOL give me a break. I love how you pretend you are bothered on a non-partisan level by this, considering we've all read your posts and know where you stand.
NYC media would 100% NOT "eat him up" for wearing a Fuck Trump hat.
"Where I stand" on what? I think you're confusing my posts for someone else. I haven't gotten into any discussion whatsoever over the President on any part of this site.
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He has no real mobility now and he'll have even less when he is 30.
This isn't true. Maybe not as much as Aaron Rodgers or a young Roethlisberger, but at least as much as Brady, Peyton, Eli, Ryan, and a very long list of successful NFL pocket passers who weren't a big threat to run. I would liken him to the early years of Joe Montana (when it comes to mobility), if you're old enough to remember those days.
You mean AT LEAST as much as gazelles Peyton, Eli, and Tom Brady?! WOW! ;)
That's my point. I know, a good argument would be that both Tom Brady and Matt Ryan were in the Super Bowl last year. And that both are still in it this year. But I do feel like that escapability attribute is increasingly important for the reasons I stated above, and the most successful QBs will be mobile ones.
God you're a meatball
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go get him...
God you're a meatball
meatball? Snappy. Your mother wears army boots...
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go get him...
God you're a meatball
meatball? Snappy. Your mother wears army boots...
Wasn't meant to be snappy. It was a nicer way of saying "you're a fucking idiot Googs."
Says the dickhead who just talked about my mother. Lol, thanks for proving my point.