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QBs and brain types: a psychological perspecitve

Milton : 1/13/2018 10:22 am
Here's an old article mostly about the Peyton Manning vs Ryan Leaf debate and this one guy's psychological breakdown on them as well as several other successful QBs.
“I took it out of that bogus Myers-Briggs world and tried to take it into the brain and what it’s really representing,” Niednagel said.

Jones could rattle off the names of all the great quarterbacks who were ESTPs (FEIRs): Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton and Brett Favre. An eye-catching majority of the Hall of Fame quarterbacks who played in the past 30 years are this one personality type. So were other Super Bowl–winning quarterbacks Ken Stabler, Phil Simms, Joe Theismann and Trent Dilfer. Jones used the famous NFL Films anecdote of Montana — the moment before beginning a last-minute, game-winning, touchdown drive in the Super Bowl, walking into the huddle and matter-of-factly pointing out John Candy in the crowd to one of his linemen as an example of a guy wired to thrive under pressure.

Manning vs Leaf (and more) revisited - ( New Window )
If my memory is correct, this argument was used to say  
Ira : 1/13/2018 10:30 am : link
that Eli would never make it as an nfl qb.
I would be interested.....  
paesan98 : 1/13/2018 10:43 am : link
in his outlook for the top 10-12 QB prospects this year
RE: If my memory is correct, this argument was used to say  
BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13785676 Ira said:
that Eli would never make it as an nfl qb.

I think it's the same guy, but I don't recall his assessment being that harsh.

I found this:

It is correct, Eli’s inborn BT is not designed for QB as optimally as brother Peyton’s. We won’t take the time here to explain all the mental, physical and spatial differences between the two Mannings; suffice it to say, their biggest differences are in the cerebral functions of Extraversion (Front brain) and Introversion (Back brain), Thinking (Inanimate reasoning) and Feeling (Animate reasoning), and their inborn physical strengths of gross motor (Eli) and fine motor (Peyton) movements.

Regarding the newspaper article that covered JN’s evaluation, BTI later wrote: What JN stated and implied is that since Eli’s Brain Type is not as consistently good as brother Peyton’s at QB, especially under big-time pressure and over the course of a career, the odds are against him to match his brother’s prowess. JN also told the reporter specific areas where Eli’s Brain Type wasn’t as proficient as Peyton’s, as well as where it was better.

JN also reminded the writer that although few ISFPs have been regarded as top QBs, fellow ISFPs Warren Moon and Steve McNair have fared very well over their careers. Over his 21-year pro career, Moon was selected to 9 Pro Bowls. (By the way, due to their right-brained gross motor superiority, ISFPs are the Methuselahs of sports. See JN’s YKtSS book for further explanation.) In 2003, McNair was finally invited to his first Pro Bowl after nine NFL seasons. He was also league co-MVP in 2003. These ISFPs have been exceptions, and to ensure success for ISFPs at NFL QB, mobility is a key ingredient. Over the past 30 years, ISFPs have ranked in the top 7 (out of 16) of NFL quarterbacks. Some other ISFP QBs have included Doug Williams, Daunte Culpepper, Chris Redman, Tony Banks, and Tee Martin.

Generally speaking, the following are a few of the many traits of the ISFP and ESTP playing QB (these can also be altered by other genetic and environmental factors):



energy level in life

mod. to low

peripheral vision

very good

seeing passing angles

very good

decision making (at QB)


very good
calling audibles

very good

Eli’s superiority over Peyton

Though Peyton’s ESTP (FEIR) BT has historically been the NFL’s best, we want to leave you with some of the areas where Eli’s inborn design is actually innately better than Peyton’s at QB. ISFPs’ gross motor superiority enables them to usually have the stronger arms, better body balance, and greater overall body durability–including taking hits when running or scrambling. ISFPs are also usually more personable and less critical of teammates, try to please coaches more, and are less likely to steal something out of a teammates locker. (ESTPs without good ethics tend toward kleptomania. 🙂

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Joe Namath?  
nochance : 1/13/2018 12:39 pm : link
Reading Defenses? Not with his 730 SAT score which kept him out of the University of Maryland
We get it Milton.  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
We get it.

You've managed to repeat yourself over and over again with regards to Rosen.
RE: We get it Milton.  
Milton : 1/13/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13785816 McNally's_Nuts said:
We get it.

You've managed to repeat yourself over and over again with regards to Rosen.
a) Everyone has been repeating themselves and I suspect will continue to do so for the next few months so get used to it.
b) Given that I have no idea what Rosen's brain type is, I'm not sure how this is a case of me repeating myself.

I've been repeating myself plenty but you picked the wrong thread to call me out on it.
Rosen has a Concussion prone brain  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
So he is not someone you waste a pick on. The first big hit he takes could be his last. If you are looking for a Franchise player at QB, don't you want to at least get ten years out of him? What is the likelihood of Rosen lasting three years before he decides to hang it up?
I would imgaine there's almost no chance Rosen is an ISFP  
adamg : 1/13/2018 2:20 pm : link
If that helps his case at all.

Seems more likely a thinking auxiliary type, ESTP or ENTP.
RE: Joe Namath?  
djm : 1/13/2018 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13785808 nochance said:
Reading Defenses? Not with his 730 SAT score which kept him out of the University of Maryland

So you're saying Namath couldn't read NFL defenses? I'd beg to differ. So would any NFL observer from that era.
Just curious if there’s anything about Rosen you don’t like  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 3:01 pm : link
it’s crazy how many articles are being posted about this guy that effectively prove nothing.

He isn’t a slam dunk prospect because his health concerns are very real. I’ll default to DG on this one and won’t be pissed if we took him, but concussions are no joke, and he’s had 2, likely more.
Interesting Reads  
Peppers : 1/13/2018 3:01 pm : link
Thanks for that.

Its what's between the ears that matters most.
I remember pretty vividly  
santacruzom : 1/13/2018 3:18 pm : link
an even older article about that guy. He called Tracy McGrady's rise to a star NBA player as well.
The Brain Doctor, 2001 article - ( New Window )
Different individuals have  
idiotsavant : 1/13/2018 3:24 pm : link
Success and failure in different endeavors for different reasons.

For some, study skills and technique and hard work (Peyton) others implacability (Eli) courage (Simms).

A weakness in corporate life or on city streets (sensory processing disorder, IE you take in all input at once...which can wear one down and lead to serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, over time) might be a strength on a battlefield, or football field, if you get there before it progresses... or get rest or treatment (Ryan leaf...a few years before he self medicated himself out of the league?) or who...elway? Farve? Rogers? On the upside?
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