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DeFillipo Sucks- A Resume Evaluation

twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 1:24 pm
Im not sure where this John DeFillipo love is coming from but it’s definately not there from a careful evaluation of his resume

DeFillipo started out in 2000 as a QB coach in Fordham and 17 years later he is still a QB coach. He has been a part of 10 organizations in that 17 years. That’s an average of under 2 years per job.

That might be fine if he was job hunting and getting promoted with each move but he is still in the same job, 17 years later. He seems to have been fired or driven out - a lot.

He has been an offensive coordinator before and he has failed. he has 2 1-year stints as OC for San Jose and the Cleveland Browns. He was fired from the Browns after 1 season as OC. San Jose went 5-7 the year he was OC (they went 1-12 the year before and 11-2 the year after) . I have not found any info on why he left San Jose.

His new found claim to fame is that he is Carson Wentz QB coach. So is it Wentz or is it him? Its Wentz. As we found out with Aaron Rodgers QB coach, Ben McAdoo. Correlation is not causation. But how do we know? The resume.

He has coached 2 other high level QB draft picks - meaning huge talent. JaMarcus Russell and Mark Sanchez.A #1 pick and a #5 pick at QB.

He coached the “Sanchise’ as a rookie and I presume the Jets fired him as he only coached 1 year there and then made the leap down to San Jose State as QB coach too. Jets obviously didnt trust him with developing Sanchez. Sanchez under DeFillipo had 12 TD and 20 INT. Sanchez next 2 seasons away from DeFillipo were substantially better.

He had a stretch of 3 seasons as QB coach on 3 different teams. Raiders, Jets, San Jose. He was probably fired from Raiders for his job with Russell as he had him his first 2 years and them moved laterally in same job to Jets. Russell had 15 TD and 12 INT and under 3000 yds in 2 seasons under DeFillipo.

he was eventually brought back to the Raiders in you guessed it, the same job - QB coach. He coached Carson Palmer for 1 year there. Palmer at that point a 9 year vet, had a fine season but his seasons at Arizona with DeFillipo were definately better. Palmer had a better QB rating every year in Arizona then his one year under DeFillipo.

DeFillipo also arrived in Oakland with Andrew Walter there. Walters was entering his 3rd season when he arrived. Walter was a 3rd round draft pick. He obviously did not progress and did absolutely nothing and not capable of even being active most of the time. He received 1 start under DeF and threw for 3 INTs.

he had Derek Carr for his rookie season in Oakland and Carr did well. Carrs breakout in Oakland came after DeFillipo was there however.

he had Johnny Manziel in Cleveland in his 1 year there and that obviously went no where. Im not blaming him for Manziel. he had Josh McCown for Half the season there and he performed admirably but about the same as his time in Chicago or with Jets.

I have found out of 10 different organizations in 17 years that John DeFillipo has only been promoted by that team just one time. San Jose moved him from QB coach to OC. It lasted 1 year.

I have found no other example of a young QB excelling under DeFillipo besides Carson Wentz.

The longest stint on his 17 year resume is 3 years in his second time with Raiders.

The most team success he’s ever been a part of was 2009 jets but it was despite his QB (Sanchez 12 to 20 TD to INT) and this year with Philly. Mostly his teams have just been miserable.

There is no evidence of this guy progressing young QBs other then Wentz, he has been let go a lot. No one really promotes the guy. he doesnt stick in any place very long.

John DeFillipo is vastly and terribly overrrated.
agreed  
bLiTz 2k : 1/15/2018 1:35 pm : link
his resume is the anti-Shurmer...

If Shurmer is the guy I’d rather see Del aril or Cable than Defilippo
Del Rio  
bLiTz 2k : 1/15/2018 1:36 pm : link
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Count me out if it's Shurm, DeFlip and Spags  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 1:36 pm : link
very underwhelming picks. very Mara-like.
RE: Count me out if it's Shurm, DeFlip and Spags  
djstat : 1/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13790336 SHO'NUFF said:
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very underwhelming picks. very Mara-like.
Who would you like?
Shurm is fine, I love Spags but I'm done with him.  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 1:51 pm : link
DeFlip doesn't have the great credentials as pointed out by twostep. It's like any name that pops up, BBI convinces itself to fall in love with that person. I don't think the organization ever made a bad choice if you go by BBI threads.
You make a lot of assumptions.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 1:51 pm : link
The Eagles felt very strongly that DeFilippo had a huge effect on Wentz so much so that they blocked him from interviewing for the OC job for the Jets, a team you assume fired him and didn't like him. Carr had a phenomenal rookie year. He dropped to the second round because most felt he was a project and needed to learn a ton of things that he didn't do in college. Sometimes shit is shit. Russell never had the desire to be a professional athlete. Tom Cable gave him a blank dvd and said it was video on their opponent. The next day TC asked Russell if he studied and he said yes. Wentz was also going to red shirt last year and the Eagles had Bradford and Daniel. They very easily could have went down that path but the rate at which Wentz progressed had a lot to do with DeFilippo hence why the Eagles blocked him last year. You did a lot of good research but ruin it with your assumptions.
The Bears and Cardinals wanted to interview him.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
It is rare that a positional coach interviews for a HCing posotion. Seattle wants him for their OC. The guy obviously is highly regarded around the league.
RE: You make a lot of assumptions.  
bLiTz 2k : 1/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13790375 robbieballs2003 said:
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The Eagles felt very strongly that DeFilippo had a huge effect on Wentz so much so that they blocked him from interviewing for the OC job for the Jets, a team you assume fired him and didn't like him. Carr had a phenomenal rookie year. He dropped to the second round because most felt he was a project and needed to learn a ton of things that he didn't do in college. Sometimes shit is shit. Russell never had the desire to be a professional athlete. Tom Cable gave him a blank dvd and said it was video on their opponent. The next day TC asked Russell if he studied and he said yes. Wentz was also going to red shirt last year and the Eagles had Bradford and Daniel. They very easily could have went down that path but the rate at which Wentz progressed had a lot to do with DeFilippo hence why the Eagles blocked him last year. You did a lot of good research but ruin it with your assumptions.


lmao @ Russell story. I actually don’t remember that, that’s fucking pathetic.
Theres no real track record of success over 17 years  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:02 pm : link
Even if helped Wentz.

There just isnt. Its on his resume.
RE: Theres no real track record of success over 17 years  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13790397 twostepgiants said:
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Even if helped Wentz.

There just isnt. Its on his resume.


Then tell that to all the other teams that think very highly of him. Do more research. Read more articles instead of a wiki page of his destinations.
If Shurmur is the pick for HC...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/15/2018 2:12 pm : link
He is very familiar with DeFillipo. So if he's Shurmur's pick, then I'm not sure how one couldn't be OK with his choice.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:13 pm : link
[quote]While juggling acquired veteran QB Josh McCown and hotshot second-year QB Johnny Manziel, DeFilippo constructed one of Cleveland’s most prolific offenses: 4,156 passing yards (4th-most in franchise history), 2.0 INT % (2nd-best), and a 4,100 passing yard, 1,500 rushing yard season for the first time since 1986. In an effort to assist Manziel—who played far better under DeFilippo than he did in 2014 under then-Browns’ OC Kyle Shanahan—Flip installed semiweekly worksheets for his quarterbacks, to test their understanding of his offense.[quote]
Link - ( New Window )
Robbieballs  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:14 pm : link
Its a good thing these NFL guys are never wrong
RE: Robbieballs  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13790430 twostepgiants said:
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Its a good thing these NFL guys are never wrong


Its a good thing you looking at his wiki page and making assumptions leads you to the idea he sucks. Congrats. Keep up the good work.
Heres a challenge-  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
What is John DeFillipos second greatest career achievement from the first 16 years of his career?

#1 is Wentz and #2 is...
RE: RE: Robbieballs  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:17 pm : link
Its called his resume
Brian Baldinger raves about this guy  
The_Boss : 1/15/2018 2:19 pm : link
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Your argument is terrible twostep....  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2018 2:25 pm : link
TERRIBLE.

So he had success coaching up a 2nd round pick to become a starter as a rookie in Carr, a guy who many pro scouts thought was not a clear cut pro starter coming out of college (and as we found out, supremely over drafted based on his talent) in Sanchez and a rookie from a division 2 school in Wentz who was an MVP candidate this year in Wentz. But you are knocking him for not having success with two players whose commitments to the game in Russell "you gonna eat dat" Russell and Johnny "booze bag" Manziel?

This same argument probably couldve been used to criticize the hire of Gilbride.
The NFL is a good ol' boy system.  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 2:26 pm : link
It's about who you know and are familiar with...It started with hiring EA as a "consultant", which is laughable, which lead to the ever so shocking (not) hire of Dave Gettleman. Who Gettleman hires next probably has some ties to him, as well. Then that coach will bring in familiar coaches that are his guys.
And you do reaalize that if Spags  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2018 2:27 pm : link
gets another chance, he is probably on very thin ice here. Such a reach of a post.
He hot fired from his year coaching Sanchez  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:27 pm : link
And Carr had his leap after DeFillipo. Try again
Chopperhatch  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:29 pm : link
You’ve got 16 years to pick from

2000-2016

What’s his success?
I dont really agree with this at all  
gmen9892 : 1/15/2018 2:30 pm : link
You using cases like him not being able to develop Mark Sanchez (he actually coaxed 2 good years out of Sanchez to start his career), Russell (who was a flat out bust and never cared to be a good QB in the NFL), and Manziel (partied himself out of a job amongst not caring about being a great NFL QB either) doesnt really mean much at all.

Also, you state that he has moved around a lot. He left the San Diego State OC position for a QB Coach position in the NFL, maybe because he viewed that as a promotion and most likely earned him more pay (btw, SDSU's offense scored 30 points a game that year, so I would consider that stop a success).

I am still failing to see the actual negatives in this guy? The amount of bouncing around he did as a coach is par for the course for a lot of 39 year old coaches.
RE: Heres a challenge-  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13790437 twostepgiants said:
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What is John DeFillipos second greatest career achievement from the first 16 years of his career?

#1 is Wentz and #2 is...


Yeah, Carr sucks and had a horrible rookie year. Holy shit, man. And as chopperhatch pointed out, Sanchez played well enough for the Jets early in his career. Being a good coach doesn't mean turning guys into hall of fame players. It means squeezing every ounce out of a player. Has Sanchez gone on to have a better career after Flip left? What about Russell? You can't put their failures on him. The fact that Carr and Wentz had such good rookie seasons is a testamemt to him comsidering they both had some very big question marks. Amd the jump Wentz took from year 1 to year 2 was huge. The Eagles felt he is way more responsible for Wentz's success than anybody else in that organization.
RE: He hot fired from his year coaching Sanchez  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13790462 twostepgiants said:
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And Carr had his leap after DeFillipo. Try again


Leap? They were rookies. Do you expect them to be Brady right now from day 1? You are dense.
He coached Sanchez 1 season and was fired  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:33 pm : link
He got a fine season out of Carr his rookie year but Carr did much better AFTER DeFillipo.
You have no evidence and no argument  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
16 years to work from

The best you have his a 12 TD 20 INT year from Sanchez in which he was fired.

A solid rookie season from Derek Carr. Then DeFillipo out as usual per his resume.
RE: He coached Sanchez 1 season and was fired  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13790480 twostepgiants said:
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He got a fine season out of Carr his rookie year but Carr did much better AFTER DeFillipo.


Wentz had a much better second year too. Does that mean Flip sucked his first year? Hahaha. Just stop.
You guys got nothing  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:36 pm : link
All you’ve done is read a few articles from some writers pumping up DeFillipo like he was greatest thing since sliced bread.

And people have come all over advocating DeFillipo as some sort of answer here.

Not based of his resume he isnt.
And the Jets wanted him back as their OC  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:37 pm : link
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RE: You guys got nothing  
robbieballs2003 : 1/15/2018 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13790489 twostepgiants said:
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All you’ve done is read a few articles from some writers pumping up DeFillipo like he was greatest thing since sliced bread.

And people have come all over advocating DeFillipo as some sort of answer here.

Not based of his resume he isnt.


Just believe what you want.
Take 15 minutes and go get a coffee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/15/2018 2:39 pm : link
You're putting way too much into this.
Very impressed with DeFillipo's film study  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/15/2018 2:41 pm : link
of the Giants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDc6v-YRk0o - ( New Window )
Pretty sure he didn't elect to draft Sanchez...  
est1986 : 1/15/2018 2:42 pm : link
Stafford was the ONLY good QB from that 2009 class and he went with the first pick and I am sure Derek Carr had a better rookie year than any other rookie QB in his class despite being the 4th QB taken in 2014.
Tell us again  
Modus Operandi : 1/15/2018 2:43 pm : link
How the Eagles winning the SB would be a good thing for us. That was priceless.
OP=  
chopperhatch : 1/15/2018 2:45 pm : link
Total fucking jadrool.
RE: And the Jets wanted him back as their OC  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:47 pm : link
Its an entirely different Jets management team. Not the same people who fired him
RE: And the Jets wanted him back as their OC  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:47 pm : link
Its an entirely different Jets management team. Not the same people who fired him
Personal insults  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:48 pm : link
Always the sign of a winning argument
Saying Sanchez and Russell were "Huge Talents"  
est1986 : 1/15/2018 2:51 pm : link
Based of their Draft spot is like saying Ron Dayne was a huge talent and The Giants coaching sucks... I guess Jack Ramsay sucks too since Sam Bowie was a bigger talent than MJ since he was drafted ahead of him.
Since Shurmur figures to heavily influence the offense...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/15/2018 2:52 pm : link
the most critical point is that the new OC works well with and understands well the concepts Shurmur wants to run here. My guess is that Shurmur knows enough about DeFillipo to know how strong he is in that regard.

What about on defense though? That's the biggest question mark imo.
Heres a clue  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:52 pm : link
Look at Pat Shurmur resume gor an idea of what success should look like

Promotions, success at multiple places, several examples over many years. 1 explainable failure. Moving to new places for better jobs not eorse ones
If Shurmur hires DeFillipo then fine  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 2:57 pm : link
I have not seen the two linked in an official report.

If it happens i assume DeF would run Shurmur offense

But alot bbi ers have been posting about DeFillipo and arguing for him as some sort of answer.

They seem to want him for any candidate.

He has been linked to Wilks. In thst case I object. DeF would have complete control of O. Wilks is a new HC. He needs a proven OC.

The resume hasnt proven that. I am challenging the assumption that DeF is a proven commofity that the Giants need to bring in.
If the Giants hire a HC they like ...  
DonQuixote : 1/15/2018 3:04 pm : link
Who then hires an OC they like ...

I am just going to assume they know what they are doing until they accumulate a record suggesting they don't
I don't know if DeFlip will make a good OC or not  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 3:04 pm : link
but you can't do any wrong in the eyes of the BBI mob... hell, they even talked Eli Apple up during the draft and then are the first to line up to say "I told you so". If Ben McAdoo were considered right now for the OC spot, I'm sure the mob would have people loving the idea.
If Shurmur sees fit to hire DeFillipo, I accept that  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 3:09 pm : link
Shurmur, as I heavily argued for on here, is a proven long term successful guy. It will be his offense, he should select who he wants to run it. He doesnt need a veteran OC to have full control like a Patricia or Wilks would have.

Im thrilled about Shurmur. I will be happy with whom he chooses as his OC.

I would not like it if Shurmur chooses Spags as his DC. I believe that course has run and we need someone entirely new in here to start fresh.
RE: I don't know if DeFlip will make a good OC or not  
Modus Operandi : 1/15/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13790611 SHO'NUFF said:
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but you can't do any wrong in the eyes of the BBI mob... hell, they even talked Eli Apple up during the draft and then are the first to line up to say "I told you so". If Ben McAdoo were considered right now for the OC spot, I'm sure the mob would have people loving the idea.


It has nothing to do job think and everything to do with folks like yourself, perpetually cynical and negative about all moves - real or imagined.

Why do you even bother following sports, if you're just going to shit on every move your team makes?

How do you go about your daily life like thus?
who shits on what?  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 3:49 pm : link
I like the Shurm pick, and I liked McAdoo. But I'm logical about it. Since you're being defensive about it, you are probably a part of that mob mentality I'm talking about.
RE: who shits on what?  
Modus Operandi : 1/15/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13790805 SHO'NUFF said:
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I like the Shurm pick, and I liked McAdoo. But I'm logical about it. Since you're being defensive about it, you are probably a part of that mob mentality I'm talking about.


I've watched you bitch incessantly for the last 8 years. You bark at the moon.
vs the everything is great/the organization can't miss mob mentality?  
SHO'NUFF : 1/15/2018 4:02 pm : link
give me bitch at the moon everyday.
RE: He coached Sanchez 1 season and was fired  
santacruzom : 1/15/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13790480 twostepgiants said:
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He got a fine season out of Carr his rookie year but Carr did much better AFTER DeFillipo.


I'm not going to research this, but I bet that there's a trend of talented NFL players doing much better their second year than their first.
If this threads counter is that Mark Sanchez is  
twostepgiants : 1/15/2018 5:32 pm : link
DeFillipos 2nd greatest claim to fame

Consider my case proven.
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