Im not sure where this John DeFillipo love is coming from but it’s definately not there from a careful evaluation of his resume
DeFillipo started out in 2000 as a QB coach in Fordham and 17 years later he is still a QB coach. He has been a part of 10 organizations in that 17 years. That’s an average of under 2 years per job.
That might be fine if he was job hunting and getting promoted with each move but he is still in the same job, 17 years later. He seems to have been fired or driven out - a lot.
He has been an offensive coordinator before and he has failed. he has 2 1-year stints as OC for San Jose and the Cleveland Browns. He was fired from the Browns after 1 season as OC. San Jose went 5-7 the year he was OC (they went 1-12 the year before and 11-2 the year after) . I have not found any info on why he left San Jose.
His new found claim to fame is that he is Carson Wentz QB coach. So is it Wentz or is it him? Its Wentz. As we found out with Aaron Rodgers QB coach, Ben McAdoo. Correlation is not causation. But how do we know? The resume.
He has coached 2 other high level QB draft picks - meaning huge talent. JaMarcus Russell and Mark Sanchez.A #1 pick and a #5 pick at QB.
He coached the “Sanchise’ as a rookie and I presume the Jets fired him as he only coached 1 year there and then made the leap down to San Jose State as QB coach too. Jets obviously didnt trust him with developing Sanchez. Sanchez under DeFillipo had 12 TD and 20 INT. Sanchez next 2 seasons away from DeFillipo were substantially better.
He had a stretch of 3 seasons as QB coach on 3 different teams. Raiders, Jets, San Jose. He was probably fired from Raiders for his job with Russell as he had him his first 2 years and them moved laterally in same job to Jets. Russell had 15 TD and 12 INT and under 3000 yds in 2 seasons under DeFillipo.
he was eventually brought back to the Raiders in you guessed it, the same job - QB coach. He coached Carson Palmer for 1 year there. Palmer at that point a 9 year vet, had a fine season but his seasons at Arizona with DeFillipo were definately better. Palmer had a better QB rating every year in Arizona then his one year under DeFillipo.
DeFillipo also arrived in Oakland with Andrew Walter there. Walters was entering his 3rd season when he arrived. Walter was a 3rd round draft pick. He obviously did not progress and did absolutely nothing and not capable of even being active most of the time. He received 1 start under DeF and threw for 3 INTs.
he had Derek Carr for his rookie season in Oakland and Carr did well. Carrs breakout in Oakland came after DeFillipo was there however.
he had Johnny Manziel in Cleveland in his 1 year there and that obviously went no where. Im not blaming him for Manziel. he had Josh McCown for Half the season there and he performed admirably but about the same as his time in Chicago or with Jets.
I have found out of 10 different organizations in 17 years that John DeFillipo has only been promoted by that team just one time. San Jose moved him from QB coach to OC. It lasted 1 year.
I have found no other example of a young QB excelling under DeFillipo besides Carson Wentz.
The longest stint on his 17 year resume is 3 years in his second time with Raiders.
The most team success he’s ever been a part of was 2009 jets but it was despite his QB (Sanchez 12 to 20 TD to INT) and this year with Philly. Mostly his teams have just been miserable.
There is no evidence of this guy progressing young QBs other then Wentz, he has been let go a lot. No one really promotes the guy. he doesnt stick in any place very long.
John DeFillipo is vastly and terribly overrrated.
If Shurmer is the guy I’d rather see Del aril or Cable than Defilippo
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lmao @ Russell story. I actually don’t remember that, that’s fucking pathetic.
There just isnt. Its on his resume.
There just isnt. Its on his resume.
Then tell that to all the other teams that think very highly of him. Do more research. Read more articles instead of a wiki page of his destinations.
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Its a good thing you looking at his wiki page and making assumptions leads you to the idea he sucks. Congrats. Keep up the good work.
#1 is Wentz and #2 is...
So he had success coaching up a 2nd round pick to become a starter as a rookie in Carr, a guy who many pro scouts thought was not a clear cut pro starter coming out of college (and as we found out, supremely over drafted based on his talent) in Sanchez and a rookie from a division 2 school in Wentz who was an MVP candidate this year in Wentz. But you are knocking him for not having success with two players whose commitments to the game in Russell "you gonna eat dat" Russell and Johnny "booze bag" Manziel?
This same argument probably couldve been used to criticize the hire of Gilbride.
2000-2016
What’s his success?
Also, you state that he has moved around a lot. He left the San Diego State OC position for a QB Coach position in the NFL, maybe because he viewed that as a promotion and most likely earned him more pay (btw, SDSU's offense scored 30 points a game that year, so I would consider that stop a success).
I am still failing to see the actual negatives in this guy? The amount of bouncing around he did as a coach is par for the course for a lot of 39 year old coaches.
#1 is Wentz and #2 is...
Yeah, Carr sucks and had a horrible rookie year. Holy shit, man. And as chopperhatch pointed out, Sanchez played well enough for the Jets early in his career. Being a good coach doesn't mean turning guys into hall of fame players. It means squeezing every ounce out of a player. Has Sanchez gone on to have a better career after Flip left? What about Russell? You can't put their failures on him. The fact that Carr and Wentz had such good rookie seasons is a testamemt to him comsidering they both had some very big question marks. Amd the jump Wentz took from year 1 to year 2 was huge. The Eagles felt he is way more responsible for Wentz's success than anybody else in that organization.
Leap? They were rookies. Do you expect them to be Brady right now from day 1? You are dense.
The best you have his a 12 TD 20 INT year from Sanchez in which he was fired.
A solid rookie season from Derek Carr. Then DeFillipo out as usual per his resume.
Wentz had a much better second year too. Does that mean Flip sucked his first year? Hahaha. Just stop.
And people have come all over advocating DeFillipo as some sort of answer here.
Not based of his resume he isnt.
And people have come all over advocating DeFillipo as some sort of answer here.
Not based of his resume he isnt.
Just believe what you want.
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What about on defense though? That's the biggest question mark imo.
Promotions, success at multiple places, several examples over many years. 1 explainable failure. Moving to new places for better jobs not eorse ones
If it happens i assume DeF would run Shurmur offense
But alot bbi ers have been posting about DeFillipo and arguing for him as some sort of answer.
They seem to want him for any candidate.
He has been linked to Wilks. In thst case I object. DeF would have complete control of O. Wilks is a new HC. He needs a proven OC.
The resume hasnt proven that. I am challenging the assumption that DeF is a proven commofity that the Giants need to bring in.
I am just going to assume they know what they are doing until they accumulate a record suggesting they don't
Im thrilled about Shurmur. I will be happy with whom he chooses as his OC.
I would not like it if Shurmur chooses Spags as his DC. I believe that course has run and we need someone entirely new in here to start fresh.
It has nothing to do job think and everything to do with folks like yourself, perpetually cynical and negative about all moves - real or imagined.
Why do you even bother following sports, if you're just going to shit on every move your team makes?
How do you go about your daily life like thus?
I've watched you bitch incessantly for the last 8 years. You bark at the moon.
I'm not going to research this, but I bet that there's a trend of talented NFL players doing much better their second year than their first.
Consider my case proven.