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ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 8:47 pm
Boom... Love this move!
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:30 pm : link
Look, I'm going to be extremely negative about this team until they give me a reason to not be.

Plain and simple.

So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.
Get ready to hear about Toms River and the LLWS +/- 750 x Mets fan  
DennyInDenville : 2/5/2018 9:30 pm : link
It gets old.

Thumbs down
RE: The SF Giants  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13823024 Modus Operandi said:
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Have won 3 titles since 2010. Sandy has won dick, put an awful product on the field, blown draft after draft and wasted any goodwill left between the club and fans.

So when I see him continue to add patches to what's an incredibly poorly built team, with no help on the horizon, excuse me when I don't jump over the moon.

Todd Frazier, in a vacuum, is a fine move. Todd Frazier isn't the point.


LOL. Where did you see me say Frazier alone makes the Mets a contender? The Mets are going to need their core players to get healthy and start performing again and they are going to need Rosario/Smith/Nimmo to come of age in a hurry IMO. Ramos, Swarzak, Frazier, Bruce are all great supporting players if the above happens but the season is lost of hope.
RE: The SF Giants  
NyquistX3 : 2/5/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13823024 Modus Operandi said:
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Have won 3 titles since 2010. Sandy has won dick, put an awful product on the field


Oh please, the guy has a pennant hanging in right field and was on the brink of a championship in 2015 despite having shitty owners who don't spend dick. I'm frustrated too, and I think Sandy has not done a great job throughout his tenure, but you can't just ignore 2015 like it never happened.
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Modus Operandi : 2/5/2018 9:31 pm : link
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So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.


Relax. You've been bugging us for years. We're used to it.
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ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13823029 arcarsenal said:
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Look, I'm going to be extremely negative about this team until they give me a reason to not be.

Plain and simple.

So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.


I get it. It's fine. Just dont jump on me for starting to get optimistic. ;) The Mets have had a pretty active offseason. If they get a SP too Im going to be very happy.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13823034 Modus Operandi said:
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So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.



Relax. You've been bugging us for years. We're used to it.


Well, that just means I'm doing my job.
RE: Kind of crazy...  
PhiPsi125 : 2/5/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13823023 ZGiants98 said:
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Todd Frazier bWAR
2014: 5.0
2015: 4.0
2016: 3.4
2017: 3.4


For 8 million bucks AAV on a 2 year deal.


I can’t keep track of all these newfangled stats.

If you say so...I’ll give him a shot. Anything is better than the ghost of David Wright.
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Eric on Li : 2/5/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13822959 arcarsenal said:
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Barely hit over .200 last year.. another low avg. power guy who doesn't get on base much.

Yay?


This isn't a perfect signing, but here are a few things that make me think the fit is pretty good - kind of the way Granderson had flaws but was a good pickup.

1. He plays defense.
2. He draws walks.
3. Even though he had low averages the last 2 years, over his career he's a .250 hitter and it was a little above that in Cincy.

So yeah, I wish he was a little less of an all or nothing hitter, but I think he can be a solid all-around player and they don't have much at the position so he's not blocking anyone. So this signing makes a lot more sense to me than Bruce, and now they can credibly say they've at least upgraded in a few areas compared to last year. More depth in the lineup, better defense in the infield, just wish they would have brought Reed back because then they would have dramatically upgraded the BP as well.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13823035 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13823029 arcarsenal said:


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Look, I'm going to be extremely negative about this team until they give me a reason to not be.

Plain and simple.

So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.



I get it. It's fine. Just dont jump on me for starting to get optimistic. ;) The Mets have had a pretty active offseason. If they get a SP too Im going to be very happy.


I'll feel a bit better if they add someone like Lynn or Cobb (both had worrisome FIP's last year but I'd still be open to adding either one)

We'll see.

I just have a feeling Conforto is going to have one of those years where he never truly "gets right" and we have to wait for 2019 to see the real MC again.

I'm excited about Rosario.

Hopefully Syndergaard and deGrom can stay healthy - we can't win without them.

I've basically given up on Matz, Harvey, and Wheeler entirely at this point.
Great  
Rflairr : 2/5/2018 9:38 pm : link
Another hacker. Slow, Low OBP, low batting avg, and strikes out a ton. Just what you want in a pitchers ballpark. Again, this is what you get with a GM with no plan.

Another season with a lineup that has no speed, strikes out a ton, doesn’t get on base, and sucks ass with RiSP.

Going to be interesting to see what Eduardo Nunez gets
Also is the contract confirmed to be $17m total?  
Eric on Li : 2/5/2018 9:42 pm : link
that seems ridiculously low even in this market. Per year would seem to make more sense, but if that's the total it seems like a steal.

Plus with the 2nd year the Wilpons save some money on the PR they were planning to pump out next year after not pursuing Machado.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13823040 Eric on Li said:
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Barely hit over .200 last year.. another low avg. power guy who doesn't get on base much.

Yay?



This isn't a perfect signing, but here are a few things that make me think the fit is pretty good - kind of the way Granderson had flaws but was a good pickup.

1. He plays defense.
2. He draws walks.
3. Even though he had low averages the last 2 years, over his career he's a .250 hitter and it was a little above that in Cincy.

So yeah, I wish he was a little less of an all or nothing hitter, but I think he can be a solid all-around player and they don't have much at the position so he's not blocking anyone. So this signing makes a lot more sense to me than Bruce, and now they can credibly say they've at least upgraded in a few areas compared to last year. More depth in the lineup, better defense in the infield, just wish they would have brought Reed back because then they would have dramatically upgraded the BP as well.


I don't disagree - it's really not a bad deal by any means. Term is short, money is low. Not much risk. Good clubhouse guy, plays defense. All of that is fine.

I think I'm just going to see the Mets actually winning games on the field until I can get any sort of optimism back in my tank. Frazier isn't enough to get me excited about the upcoming season. In a vacuum, it's a fine move.

But I agree with you - I think Reed coming back could have made this pen a true strength. It can still be decent. But we'll see.
RE: RE: Kind of crazy...  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13823039 PhiPsi125 said:
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Todd Frazier bWAR
2014: 5.0
2015: 4.0
2016: 3.4
2017: 3.4


For 8 million bucks AAV on a 2 year deal.



I can’t keep track of all these newfangled stats.

If you say so...I’ll give him a shot. Anything is better than the ghost of David Wright.


Speaking of Wright.. This has to spell the end right? I think a buyout/announcement is coming in the spring.
RE: Also is the contract confirmed to be $17m total?  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13823049 Eric on Li said:
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that seems ridiculously low even in this market. Per year would seem to make more sense, but if that's the total it seems like a steal.

Plus with the 2nd year the Wilpons save some money on the PR they were planning to pump out next year after not pursuing Machado.


It's total. Supposedly the Mets have had a one year deal with an option on the table for a while but they caved and offered him the second year guaranteed. Great deal IMO and for only 8 mil a year we can eat it next year if we really wanted to. It shouldnt prevent us from doing other things. I think we should replace Cabrera at 2B with Dozier next year but thats me.
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ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13823043 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13823029 arcarsenal said:


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Look, I'm going to be extremely negative about this team until they give me a reason to not be.

Plain and simple.

So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.



I get it. It's fine. Just dont jump on me for starting to get optimistic. ;) The Mets have had a pretty active offseason. If they get a SP too Im going to be very happy.



I'll feel a bit better if they add someone like Lynn or Cobb (both had worrisome FIP's last year but I'd still be open to adding either one)

We'll see.

I just have a feeling Conforto is going to have one of those years where he never truly "gets right" and we have to wait for 2019 to see the real MC again.

I'm excited about Rosario.

Hopefully Syndergaard and deGrom can stay healthy - we can't win without them.

I've basically given up on Matz, Harvey, and Wheeler entirely at this point.


Im with you on most of that but Im bullish on Gsellman, Lugo, and Montero being decent backend options if those other three dont hack it. But if they dont could somebody like Wheeler be another bullpen piece? Could Matz? Im interested to find out. Lynn's FIP definitely worries me but he's an innings eater. Cobb is better but is a massive injury risk. Guy has never come close to pitching 200 innings. Pick your poison. Both would be a nice MOR options though IMO.
Im ok with Conforto being out for a little while  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:48 pm : link
because Nimmo was pretty good last year. I want to see him get another extended look anyway. Hopefully, Conforto really does come back in May and he's rounded back into shape for the second half. We definitely need him eventually.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13823055 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13823035 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 13823029 arcarsenal said:


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Look, I'm going to be extremely negative about this team until they give me a reason to not be.

Plain and simple.

So, if it bugs any of you, I'd suggest just skipping over anything I post in Mets threads for a while.



I get it. It's fine. Just dont jump on me for starting to get optimistic. ;) The Mets have had a pretty active offseason. If they get a SP too Im going to be very happy.



I'll feel a bit better if they add someone like Lynn or Cobb (both had worrisome FIP's last year but I'd still be open to adding either one)

We'll see.

I just have a feeling Conforto is going to have one of those years where he never truly "gets right" and we have to wait for 2019 to see the real MC again.

I'm excited about Rosario.

Hopefully Syndergaard and deGrom can stay healthy - we can't win without them.

I've basically given up on Matz, Harvey, and Wheeler entirely at this point.



Im with you on most of that but Im bullish on Gsellman, Lugo, and Montero being decent backend options if those other three dont hack it. But if they dont could somebody like Wheeler be another bullpen piece? Could Matz? Im interested to find out. Lynn's FIP definitely worries me but he's an innings eater. Cobb is better but is a massive injury risk. Guy has never come close to pitching 200 innings. Pick your poison. Both would be a nice MOR options though IMO.


Gsellman was a bit of a mess last year, I'm not sure what happened there but he's going to have to re-establish himself and get back on the track he was on in 2016. If he can, awesome.. he was really good down the stretch that year.

I actually like Lugo a lot as a back end starter. I just know he's going to get hurt.
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Modus Operandi : 2/5/2018 9:55 pm : link
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Plus with the 2nd year the Wilpons save some money on the PR they were planning to pump out next year after not pursuing Machado.


You can fix a lot of knocked down doors with those savings.
I think we have the numbers  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 9:58 pm : link
Not every starter is going to fail this year again. Gsellman is only 24 years old. He was on BP top 20 list last year. I think he'll be better. Last year was basically a lost season. Lugo was actually good last year. Montero had a FIP in the 4s which wasnt terrible. Wheeler and Harvey finally get full offseasons where they arent coming off surgery. Matz had the ligament fixed which was a real issue for deGrom just the year prior. Is everything going to go right for all these guys? Hell no. Will one or two of these guys surprise? If Im a betting man Ill say yes.
Also.. new manager who is a top pitching mind supposedly....  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 10:01 pm : link
new staff.. new medical personnel... new workout philosophies...

We'll see.
One bad thing about signing Lynn/Cobb  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 10:03 pm : link
Is we lose the 2nd pick and pool money. :(
For a team dependent on its pitching,  
Section331 : 2/5/2018 10:05 pm : link
this is a good signing. A very good defensive 3B, gets on base, and has a little pop. Not a sexy signing, but he’ll help.
Once again  
Shecky : 2/5/2018 10:08 pm : link
I like Zs optimism, it’s refreshing.
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ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 10:10 pm : link
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@MattEhalt
Asked this recently, and worth asking after this move: Does this deal change at all your perception on whether Mets can win division/Wild Card?

My two cents: No on division (Nats clearly better), but Mets are better positioned now to make a run at a Wild Card spot.
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Eric on Li : 2/5/2018 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13823050 arcarsenal said:
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I think I'm just going to see the Mets actually winning games on the field until I can get any sort of optimism back in my tank. Frazier isn't enough to get me excited about the upcoming season. In a vacuum, it's a fine move.

But I agree with you - I think Reed coming back could have made this pen a true strength. It can still be decent. But we'll see.


Totally hear you. I tend to think progress is often incremental and sometimes small tweaks make a big difference. That's why their lack of moves, even small ones, is usually more frustrating to me than if something doesn't work out perfect so I give them credit for this one. I'd love to see them pull off another Blevins type trade for the BP since there's not much left in FA.
Here's a crazy thought - trade TDA for a RP and sign Lucroy  
Eric on Li : 2/5/2018 10:21 pm : link
he has to be crazy cheap right now. Would probably take a 1 year deal.
I think there are going to be a ton  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 10:23 pm : link
of minor league signings late to guys like De La Rosa, Liriano, ect. None are awesome... but a few of these guys should be invited to camp and might compete for a second loogy spot.. There's a ton of guys left and the season is starting. Something has to give.

Our 40 man is pretty packed too. I doubt Sandy wants to be giving out too many more guaranteed contracts for anything less than pretty good players. Im guessing Reynolds goes for Frazier.
Right up front, I’m cranky as fuck  
Beezer : 2/5/2018 10:46 pm : link
from that shit show last night.

That said, I’m choosing to drink the KoolAid. And ya know why? Because the Knicks still suck and the Giants sucked and the Super Bowl sucked so I need to have a fun, optimistic outlook headed into this Mets season. If it crashes, fine. But I refuse to be a crotch and bitch about it before it’s even started.

LET’S GO!!!
Here we go again! lol. Smith is skinny again! ;)  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 11:01 pm : link
I thought Yankees might  
TJ : 2/5/2018 11:09 pm : link
as insurance in case Andujar doesn't produce right away. I wouldn't have minded at that price.
RE: Not a horrible move for the money  
Vanzetti : 2/5/2018 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13822978 ChathamMark said:
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The Mets can only do so much. Hometown Jersey guy. Good for the clubhouse from what I read.


My sentiments exactly. Mets are not signing a big time free agent, so Frazier on a reasonable deal is not bad. Only duck up this off-season was not resigning Reed who got peanuts
Patience grasshoppers....  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 11:38 pm : link

Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
“a source on Wednesday night said the Mets are serious about now looking at the possibility of signing a starter, realizing how unlikely it is that they can count on Matt Harvey, Steven Matz and Zack Wheeler to all be healthy and effective for a full season.” https://twitter.com/nydnharper/status/960726971864018945 …
RE: RE: Not a horrible move for the money  
Eric on Li : 2/5/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 13823119 Vanzetti said:
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The Mets can only do so much. Hometown Jersey guy. Good for the clubhouse from what I read.



My sentiments exactly. Mets are not signing a big time free agent, so Frazier on a reasonable deal is not bad. Only duck up this off-season was not resigning Reed who got peanuts


Agreed. Should have signed Reed and another player instead of blocking Conforto and Nimmo with Bruce. My first choice would have been Lucroy, but Dyson wouldn't have been a bad option either.
Frazier just reminds me of the right-handed  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2018 11:52 pm : link
white Grandy only with a ton more D at a position of need. lol. Great clubhouse guy.... ton of pop.... varying OBP that was actually up last year similar to the years Grandy would have.
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CMicks3110 : 2/5/2018 11:52 pm : link
do you prefer Cobb or Lynn?
As a Yankees fan  
illmatic : 2/6/2018 12:23 am : link
I'm kind of disappointed they didn't sign him at that price but I guess they really didn't want to do the second year. Either that or they just really like Andujar and think he'll play well immediately. Or the off chance that they have something else brewing that they want to put their money towards.
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ZGiants98 : 2/6/2018 12:28 am : link
In comment 13823129 CMicks3110 said:
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do you prefer Cobb or Lynn?


Eh. I dont know. I go back and forth. Lynn is more reliable and might be better year two coming off Tommy John. Cobb has more upside but can never stay healthy. Flip a coin.

Sign Yu Darvish and we get to keep our draft pick and pool money. ;)
As a Yankee fan  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/6/2018 6:50 am : link
I am really bummed that the Yankees didn't resign him. He seemed like a guy that made big plays when they needed them. I don't think the Yankees would have gone nearly as far last year without him. Oh well...
Solid  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 7:47 am : link
signing at a solid price.
Lynn  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 7:49 am : link
would cost a 2nd round pick and 500K in international pool money, can't leave that out of the equation.
I mentioned it before earlier this year...  
Rory : 2/6/2018 8:12 am : link
what about a guy like Bud Norris?, based on need could start in pen then transition to rotation if needed to spot start.

Another I like is Jeremy Hellickson, no draft compensation and knows the division.

Just thinking outside the box.
I liked Todd  
superspynyg : 2/6/2018 8:20 am : link
I hated it when we traded for him, but he is a great teammate and was a big part of our playoff run. But his avg is terrible. Not sad that we did not sign him.
RE: Frazier is a good player.  
Rory : 2/6/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 13823014 NyquistX3 said:
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Don't be fooled by the .213 batting average. A 14% walk rate pushes his on base percentage to .344, which is above average. He's also a good defender. He's at least a league average player at this point, probably slightly above average if he holds his 2017 production.


Seen some recent 2018 projections 71R, 111H, 29HR's, .230 BA, .319 OBP.

Wonder how that translates at Citifield, saw he has some 1b experience as well.

Love the signing, more for the defense and giving Rosario some support also it locks Cabrera at 2B which is his best position.
I like it solid defense  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 8:57 am : link
veteran presence, see what other moves get made.

I think they have to trade Cabrera now though. logjam at 2B.

Flores can backup all 4 IF spots, Reyes 3 of them. Rivera a couple too (though not well defensively).

I'd roll with them over Cabrera unless they can sign/trade for a legit 2B.

The fact that they stopped pursuing 2B when Cabrera said he pref'd it  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2018 9:07 am : link
and then went out and signed an every day 3B makes it seem like they are pretty resigned to him being here. Considering how little everyone is spending, I'm not sure anyone is looking to add Cabrera even though he doesn't make much.

Flores probably has some value but I hope they don't trade him. He's good depth and should find AB's against lefties.
Cabrera  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 9:10 am : link
likely isn't worth the headache for other teams. Oft out of shape, had a bad year, seems like a bit of a clubhouse issue. Too many options available on the open market.
RE: Cabrera  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13823289 DanMetroMan said:
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likely isn't worth the headache for other teams. Oft out of shape, had a bad year, seems like a bit of a clubhouse issue. Too many options available on the open market.


agree, but going in to the season with him as the "every day" 2B?

out of all the positions on the diamond that's the one I feel can be upgraded in house.

though I guess if he plays like 2016 droobs it won't be so bad.

RE: RE: Cabrera  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 13823313 pjcas18 said:
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likely isn't worth the headache for other teams. Oft out of shape, had a bad year, seems like a bit of a clubhouse issue. Too many options available on the open market.



agree, but going in to the season with him as the "every day" 2B?

out of all the positions on the diamond that's the one I feel can be upgraded in house.

though I guess if he plays like 2016 droobs it won't be so bad.


They refuse to roll the dice on Wilmer as an every day guy. I'm not saying I love Cabrera I just think his price for the Mets is low enough where he has a good shot to outperform his salary BUT for another team likely isn't worth bothering with. Walker, Nunez etc still available and coming off better seasons.
Yea I think we need to hope he's motivated since he's heading into FA  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2018 9:38 am : link
he was noticeably in much worse shape last year than 2016. Offensively he was fine though - hit .280 and posted the best K and walk rates in his career. Certainly upgradable, but probably not to the extent that it's worth giving up prospects. If Dee Gordon doesn't work out in CF though I'd be all over that.
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