and not to rehash all my prior Wright comments from the thread, but I'd be surprised if he's retiring with $47M guaranteed still there, and the Mets have no financial incentive to settle since the contract is covered 75% by insurance, so if I had to guess maybe it's to announce something like Prince Fielder did in 2016.
Though Fielder was owed $96M, I still feel like $47M is too much for anyone to reasonably be expected to walk away from.
or the Mets are announcing some sort of injury where he's not going to be expected to do "baseball activities" for a lengthy period of time. If it's the latter, then why bother, since that's what everyone had thought was the case to begin with.
last year. I don't remember exactly how that originally got out, but I'm sure they are looking to keep most details in house. I do agree that it would be a negative over-reaction if they go so far as to not comment on timelines.
RE: I'd guess the commenting policy relates to the Thor/MRI controversy
last year. I don't remember exactly how that originally got out, but I'm sure they are looking to keep most details in house. I do agree that it would be a negative over-reaction if they go so far as to not comment on timelines.
So, they were annoyed about the Thor/MRI controversy and decided to keep more details in house...only to later in the season state that Robles had to leave a game because of pinched genitals.
I mean...I get it...but this franchise is run by a bunch of morons. Seriously, pinched genitals.
Timely . Longenhagen on Gimenez and why he didn't make the list
Arias and Gimenez were left off this years list because theres some doubt about the upside, but theyre both pretty stable prospects wholl probably make the list as they climb the minor-league ladder.
ae really just get a BOOM because the Mets signed Todd Frazier?
What the hell would ZGiants do kf the Mets signed someone who was a good player instead of average
3-5 WAR player the last 4-5 years for 8 million AAV is most definitely a "boom" but if you had followed any of the Mets threads all offseason I was a big proponent of adding another 2B/3B and specifically liked Frazier the best of the options being discussed.
Assuming we are adding another LH reliever like Abad the pen is
He's done nothing yet. Ive been arguing against him all offseason on MMO. I had a feeling he was barely going to scrape top 100 lists when everyone was telling me he was the next phenom.
Im a much bigger proponent of the guys that are out to injury like Szapucki or somebody like Alonso. Hell, Ronnie Mauricio is going to be right behind Gimenez and might be even more toolsy/impressive.
Bob Nightengale of USA Today predicts Lance Lynn will sign with Baltimore for three-years, $57 million.
Also predicts that Alex Cobb signs with Brewers at four-years, $65 million.
Lol, I bet the Mets were interested in them on one year deals for around $12/$13 million. And they probably that that was even too high. Knocking down those doors.
hopefully they're both still alive (and healthy) by the end of the season.
I wonder if deGrom loses some effectiveness with the hair cut. I thought I read batters say they lost the ball in his hair sometimes. Not sure if true or joking, but seems like it could be genuine based on his release point and how his hair was.
first few weeks of spring is worth about 3-4 expected wins IMO. Remember to ignore what he "tops out at" and focus on what he "settles at."
Don't think it's all that relevant until we see what his velocity looks like through roughly 5-6 innings of pitching multiple times aka we won't know a ton until in-season. "He's touching 94!!!" yeah well what's he throwing in the 5th or 6th every 5th day.
given for the Mets farm system being ranked so low is that they've graduated a lot of guys recently. Other teams have graduated a lot of guys recently too, and have better farm systems than the Mets, so I don't really buy this excuse. But, it is still worth asking IMO whether the Mets have recently graduated a lot of promising talent.
Fangraphs just did a cool article where they did a ranking of "recently graduated players." To be on the list, the player must have graduated in 2017, and must be good enough talent wise that they would've been good enough to qualify for the top 100 prospects list if otherwise eligible.
Only 46 guys made the list. The Mets had 4. They ranked Rosario #13, Smith #30, Nimmo #36 and Gsellmen #41. While not making up for the current state of the farm system, I think it's certainly a good thing to have a nice showing on a list like this.
misleading because for example Gsellman, they have a 45/50 grade on him, for them that means #5 starter with #4 upside. Nimmo same thing 45/50 good for Platoon/Util upside of MLB regular, Smith 40/50....Bench/Avg Regular.
Never here how flat the Cubs system has fallen. People were drooling over them more so than the Mets system just a few years ago. Granted, the Cubs have traded more prospects than the Mets did, but they didnt exactly pan out. Not using this to prove a point that the Mets farm was great etc. its cyclical when you graduate player from a highly ranked farm. I still expect a top ten ranking in about a year.
Never here how flat the Cubs system has fallen. People were drooling over them more so than the Mets system just a few years ago. Granted, the Cubs have traded more prospects than the Mets did, but they didnt exactly pan out. Not using this to prove a point that the Mets farm was great etc. its cyclical when you graduate player from a highly ranked farm. I still expect a top ten ranking in about a year.
Come on dude, Cubs won a world series. If the Mets had they'd have bought themselves some slack from the fans.
Cubs get a pass for a few years, and then they'll hear the same gripes from fans - if they lose. If the Mets had a poor farm system but were averaging 95 wins in the majors over 3 years fans wouldn't be so negative.
The Cubs won 92 games last year and won their division, 103 games the year before and won their division (plus the World Series), 97 games the year before that and at least on paper should be good this year too.
if the Mets averaged 95 wins over the past three seasons fans wouldn't be this ornery.
When the Mets actually make the postseason 3 consecutive years, win over 90 games in each of them, and win a World Series, we can compare them to the Cubs.
Never here how flat the Cubs system has fallen. People were drooling over them more so than the Mets system just a few years ago. Granted, the Cubs have traded more prospects than the Mets did, but they didnt exactly pan out. Not using this to prove a point that the Mets farm was great etc. its cyclical when you graduate player from a highly ranked farm. I still expect a top ten ranking in about a year.
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I did forget about Torres. But I also did exclude Fulmer, so guess we can call that a wash(ish) lol
Not sure why people are bringing up the W?L record of the major league club when I am simply comparing farm system. Cubs farm was the envy of baseball up until the very recent past.
I did forget about Torres. But I also did exclude Fulmer, so guess we can call that a wash(ish) lol
Not sure why people are bringing up the W?L record of the major league club when I am simply comparing farm system. Cubs farm was the envy of baseball up until the very recent past.
Because IMO they're related (in terms of how I personally view them). If your major league team is consistently winning 90+ games a year I'd be ok with a subpar farm system. Realizing of course over time you'd need to improve on that poor farm, but for now you have a solid major league club).
It's only when your major league team is winning 70 games and your farm system is ranked 29th that I thinks it's a major cause for concern.
Appreciate the explanation.
I was just talking about the farm and perception of it. But I see where you are coming from. I think we can all agree none of us give a shit about the farm if the big league club is kicking some ass.
From @JonHeyman, The Mets were one team that expressed a bit of interest in two-time Cy Young winner Tim Lincecum a few months back. He is expected to throw for scouts next week.
My view is generally that one of two things need to be going on.
If the farm is weak, it should mean that the MLB-level roster is strong, has a young nucleus, and is competitive on a yearly basis.
If the MLB-level team is not so good, the farm should be relatively strong with some good prospects close to graduating.
When the MLB team loses over 90 games and has a farm system ranked near the bottom of baseball, it tells me something is wrong.
I think your first three paragraphs are 100% right. Your last paragraph is very likely right, but IMO, 2018 really will tell us the complete story.
Maybe last year was the anomaly due to the crazy injuries. If the team wins 95 games this year, makes the playoffs again, you'd have 2 division titles and a wild card in 4 years. If the team goes 84-78 and misses the playoffs, then you'd have almost a full decade of failure by the regime with an ugly farm system to boot. IMO, 2018 really is the do-or-die year for Sandy's legacy.
obviously, most of the team is under contract for next season, but if they aren't looking like a playoff team at the deadline this year I think the quiet rumors we heard about trading JDG at the deadline last year are only going to get louder and they'll also expand to more players who are close to FA like Familia. Thor, Conforto, and Rosario are probably the only 3 guys on the team who will 100% be back next year.
Hopefully Harvey has 1 more run of greatness in him. It's going to be really sad if this generation k ends with another disappointing deadline selloff and rebuild.
should be a thing for Sandy. He should have "died" after 2017 (his Mets career, not personally obviously) so there should be no do or die for him in 2017. This should be DePo's team.
Sandy has not drafted well, not a fan of most of his FA dealings, and he's had one trade that made him look good. He's had 7 seasons to make it his team, and it's enough for me.
would like to think that extension or not if the Mets have a bad season they would move on from Sandy but does anyone really think that would be the case outside of Sandy stepping aside?
and Omar takes over. I don't think Sandy wants to go through another 3-5 year rebuilding process knowing everything he now knows.
I feel like any rational fan would agree no matter "why" it happens if this is a 70-75ish win team Sandy should go. Not "injuries" or "who would have known Cespedes would hit .230!!" etc. It's shit or get off the pot time.
If they don't make the playoffs, I'd want Depo in the offseason
and Omar takes over. I don't think Sandy wants to go through another 3-5 year rebuilding process knowing everything he now knows.
Didn't he just sign a contract extension?
They never publicly announced terms of the extension (see the article below) and right afterwards they announced the Minaya deal, which clearly had Wilpon fingerprints all over it. If the team wins i'm sure it will remain status quo, but if they bomb again I think Sandy is the first one off the bus. Probably willingly since i'm sure there won't be a spending increase on the horizon. Mystery surrounding the Mets new deal with Sandy Alderson - ( New Window )
Never here how flat the Cubs system has fallen. People were drooling over them more so than the Mets system just a few years ago. Granted, the Cubs have traded more prospects than the Mets did, but they didnt exactly pan out. Not using this to prove a point that the Mets farm was great etc. its cyclical when you graduate player from a highly ranked farm. I still expect a top ten ranking in about a year.
The Cubs system has graduated Kris Bryant, Kyle Schwarber, Albert Almora, Ian Happ, Willson Contreras, and Victor Caratini recently so of course their farm system is going to be weak. That doesn't even include them trading away former top 10 prospects Torres and Jimenez plus top 100 prospect Dylan Cease. It is pretty incredible that they hit on so many position players.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
He actually volunteered the information to Kevin Kernan of the Post, so I wouldn't fault Jay Horowitz here.
It's not an unusual medicine, but it's usually used for osteoporosis in older people. Interesting that Wheeler would be using it. Like to hear more about what they are trying to treat.
Can you just tell us?
Cant policy
Though Fielder was owed $96M, I still feel like $47M is too much for anyone to reasonably be expected to walk away from.
Hopefully they aren't going into Islanders style opaqueness when it comes to discussing player injuries.
the NHL does not require teams to release injury detail, they only require they do not mislead.
so all teams are like the Islanders in this regard.
I don't think baseball teams really have to worry about that.
So, they were annoyed about the Thor/MRI controversy and decided to keep more details in house...only to later in the season state that Robles had to leave a game because of pinched genitals.
I mean...I get it...but this franchise is run by a bunch of morons. Seriously, pinched genitals.
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What the hell would ZGiants do kf the Mets signed someone who was a good player instead of average
3-5 WAR player the last 4-5 years for 8 million AAV is most definitely a "boom" but if you had followed any of the Mets threads all offseason I was a big proponent of adding another 2B/3B and specifically liked Frazier the best of the options being discussed.
Something tells me the Mets will finally see the Fab 5 in order all together for better or worse, at least to start the year.
Syndergaard, deGrom, Matz, Harvey, Wheeler.
Closer Familia
SU Swarzak
SU Ramos
LOOGY Blevins
LOOGY Abad
7th inning type Sewald
RH Lugo
Long Montero (Out of options)
Thats already 8 guys and Robles is still on the outside looking in and we dont know if Mejia will be reinstated.
AAA
Gsellman, Flexen, Oswalt, Knapp, Regnault, (possibly a minor league vet or two).
Im a much bigger proponent of the guys that are out to injury like Szapucki or somebody like Alonso. Hell, Ronnie Mauricio is going to be right behind Gimenez and might be even more toolsy/impressive.
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Also predicts that Alex Cobb signs with Brewers at four-years, $65 million.
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Bob Nightengale of USA Today predicts Lance Lynn will sign with Baltimore for three-years, $57 million.
Also predicts that Alex Cobb signs with Brewers at four-years, $65 million.
Lol, I bet the Mets were interested in them on one year deals for around $12/$13 million. And they probably that that was even too high. Knocking down those doors.
80%
I wonder if deGrom loses some effectiveness with the hair cut. I thought I read batters say they lost the ball in his hair sometimes. Not sure if true or joking, but seems like it could be genuine based on his release point and how his hair was.
Don't think it's all that relevant until we see what his velocity looks like through roughly 5-6 innings of pitching multiple times aka we won't know a ton until in-season. "He's touching 94!!!" yeah well what's he throwing in the 5th or 6th every 5th day.
He should wear a new wig for each game. How about long white hair?
Fangraphs just did a cool article where they did a ranking of "recently graduated players." To be on the list, the player must have graduated in 2017, and must be good enough talent wise that they would've been good enough to qualify for the top 100 prospects list if otherwise eligible.
Only 46 guys made the list. The Mets had 4. They ranked Rosario #13, Smith #30, Nimmo #36 and Gsellmen #41. While not making up for the current state of the farm system, I think it's certainly a good thing to have a nice showing on a list like this.
Cool article.
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Come on dude, Cubs won a world series. If the Mets had they'd have bought themselves some slack from the fans.
Cubs get a pass for a few years, and then they'll hear the same gripes from fans - if they lose. If the Mets had a poor farm system but were averaging 95 wins in the majors over 3 years fans wouldn't be so negative.
The Cubs won 92 games last year and won their division, 103 games the year before and won their division (plus the World Series), 97 games the year before that and at least on paper should be good this year too.
if the Mets averaged 95 wins over the past three seasons fans wouldn't be this ornery.
Bad comparison though.
Now?
No, sorry.
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It's just not a valid comparison
Not sure why people are bringing up the W?L record of the major league club when I am simply comparing farm system. Cubs farm was the envy of baseball up until the very recent past.
Not sure why people are bringing up the W?L record of the major league club when I am simply comparing farm system. Cubs farm was the envy of baseball up until the very recent past.
Because IMO they're related (in terms of how I personally view them). If your major league team is consistently winning 90+ games a year I'd be ok with a subpar farm system. Realizing of course over time you'd need to improve on that poor farm, but for now you have a solid major league club).
It's only when your major league team is winning 70 games and your farm system is ranked 29th that I thinks it's a major cause for concern.
I was just talking about the farm and perception of it. But I see where you are coming from. I think we can all agree none of us give a shit about the farm if the big league club is kicking some ass.
If the farm is weak, it should mean that the MLB-level roster is strong, has a young nucleus, and is competitive on a yearly basis.
If the MLB-level team is not so good, the farm should be relatively strong with some good prospects close to graduating.
When the MLB team loses over 90 games and has a farm system ranked near the bottom of baseball, it tells me something is wrong.
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not that it matters what I support
If the farm is weak, it should mean that the MLB-level roster is strong, has a young nucleus, and is competitive on a yearly basis.
If the MLB-level team is not so good, the farm should be relatively strong with some good prospects close to graduating.
When the MLB team loses over 90 games and has a farm system ranked near the bottom of baseball, it tells me something is wrong.
I think your first three paragraphs are 100% right. Your last paragraph is very likely right, but IMO, 2018 really will tell us the complete story.
Maybe last year was the anomaly due to the crazy injuries. If the team wins 95 games this year, makes the playoffs again, you'd have 2 division titles and a wild card in 4 years. If the team goes 84-78 and misses the playoffs, then you'd have almost a full decade of failure by the regime with an ugly farm system to boot. IMO, 2018 really is the do-or-die year for Sandy's legacy.
Hopefully Harvey has 1 more run of greatness in him. It's going to be really sad if this generation k ends with another disappointing deadline selloff and rebuild.
Sandy has not drafted well, not a fan of most of his FA dealings, and he's had one trade that made him look good. He's had 7 seasons to make it his team, and it's enough for me.
I feel like any rational fan would agree no matter "why" it happens if this is a 70-75ish win team Sandy should go. Not "injuries" or "who would have known Cespedes would hit .230!!" etc. It's shit or get off the pot time.
Since this is the Mets I expect they will just promote Omar, which I think would be just as depressing of a hire as Ricco for different reasons.
Didn't he just sign a contract extension?
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and Omar takes over. I don't think Sandy wants to go through another 3-5 year rebuilding process knowing everything he now knows.
Didn't he just sign a contract extension?
They never publicly announced terms of the extension (see the article below) and right afterwards they announced the Minaya deal, which clearly had Wilpon fingerprints all over it. If the team wins i'm sure it will remain status quo, but if they bomb again I think Sandy is the first one off the bus. Probably willingly since i'm sure there won't be a spending increase on the horizon.
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The Cubs system has graduated Kris Bryant, Kyle Schwarber, Albert Almora, Ian Happ, Willson Contreras, and Victor Caratini recently so of course their farm system is going to be weak. That doesn't even include them trading away former top 10 prospects Torres and Jimenez plus top 100 prospect Dylan Cease. It is pretty incredible that they hit on so many position players.
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Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
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Zack Wheeler told the New York Post he has spent the last six months injecting a bone growth drug into his stomach, daily, in an attempt to prevent injury.
But yes the Mets definitely have enough starting pitching depth.
Yup, this is right up there with pinched genitals. WTF? Why even let information like this out in the public? Jay Horowitz and the Mets are the absolute worst at public relations.
He actually volunteered the information to Kevin Kernan of the Post, so I wouldn't fault Jay Horowitz here.
It's not an unusual medicine, but it's usually used for osteoporosis in older people. Interesting that Wheeler would be using it. Like to hear more about what they are trying to treat.