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NFT: Porzingis tore his ACL

Big Rick in FL : 2/6/2018 10:59 pm
Per Ian Begley on Twitter.
Yep, looked like it.  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:01 pm : link
What a disaster. Tough being a Knicks fan.
Porzingas is great  
Vanzetti : 2/6/2018 11:01 pm : link
But just like Rik Smits, he has the height and build that is going to be injury prone.

Really sucks
Goddamnit.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2018 11:01 pm : link
Get well soon, kid.
Rik Smits?  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:03 pm : link
His body type is nothing like Smits.
Perry and mills  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 11:03 pm : link
Have to get rid of the vets and tank the rest of the way, they were afraid because kp wanted to make playoffs, he is out now..

Tank and get another star to go with kp
But at least Knicks have their first rounders  
Vanzetti : 2/6/2018 11:04 pm : link
Maybe they luck out and get a another go to guy
RE: Perry and mills  
Vanzetti : 2/6/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13824561 nygiants16 said:
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Have to get rid of the vets and tank the rest of the way, they were afraid because kp wanted to make playoffs, he is out now..

Tank and get another star to go with kp


Keeping the vets might be the best wAy to tank. Play Jack and Thomas 40 minutes a game
Fuck  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/6/2018 11:06 pm : link
lets keep playing the vets. Coach for that 10th seed Jeff!
Lovely  
djm : 2/6/2018 11:10 pm : link
..what a wonderful sports year or two it's been. 2018 off to a roaring start because 2017 didn't suck enough.
Need to win the draft lottery for change....  
GFAN52 : 2/6/2018 11:11 pm : link
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Fuck  
DennyInDenville : 2/6/2018 11:15 pm : link
Silver linings

KP will finally rest

A big mans knee heals better then a big mans foot.

This sucks though, but I expect Kp to recover..

But idk. I don't start him until atleast January 2019 earliest. Let him take his time.
This likely  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 11:20 pm : link
means no playoffs next year either.
Yep  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:22 pm : link
Knicks will suck for the rest of this season and next. Build for 2020, use this bad luck to infuse young talent! Trade everyone and tank.
According to Berman  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 11:23 pm : link
Knicks talking to magic about elfrid payton...

He says pleminary talks is Payton and Bismarck for noah
Any history behind  
GMEN46 : 2/6/2018 11:23 pm : link
7 footers with town acls, I would imagine very difficult to come back from in the NBA
Plan For Lottery Picks This Year and Next Year  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:26 pm : link
Trade vets, string together 27-28 wins season this year and next and see where it ends up. Need to luck out and get a Top 3 pick each year. When you fall to 8, you reach for kids like Ntilkina who's ceiling is a decent rotation player, but certainly not anything more.

KP will not be seen until the start of the 2019-20 season, so just keep on sucking this year and next.
RE: According to Berman  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13824574 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks talking to magic about elfrid payton...

He says pleminary talks is Payton and Bismarck for noah


Dan will finally get his guy!
RE: Plan For Lottery Picks This Year and Next Year  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13824578 TheVette said:
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Trade vets, string together 27-28 wins season this year and next and see where it ends up. Need to luck out and get a Top 3 pick each year. When you fall to 8, you reach for kids like Ntilkina who's ceiling is a decent rotation player, but certainly not anything more.

KP will not be seen until the start of the 2019-20 season, so just keep on sucking this year and next.


So much nonsense.
RE: Plan For Lottery Picks This Year and Next Year  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13824578 TheVette said:
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Trade vets, string together 27-28 wins season this year and next and see where it ends up. Need to luck out and get a Top 3 pick each year. When you fall to 8, you reach for kids like Ntilkina who's ceiling is a decent rotation player, but certainly not anything more.

KP will not be seen until the start of the 2019-20 season, so just keep on sucking this year and next.


Hell play me to year at some point.
RE: RE: Plan For Lottery Picks This Year and Next Year  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13824582 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13824578 TheVette said:


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Trade vets, string together 27-28 wins season this year and next and see where it ends up. Need to luck out and get a Top 3 pick each year. When you fall to 8, you reach for kids like Ntilkina who's ceiling is a decent rotation player, but certainly not anything more.

KP will not be seen until the start of the 2019-20 season, so just keep on sucking this year and next.



Hell play me to year at some point.


Next*
ACL’s are 18 month  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:28 pm : link
injuries now?
Focus now  
Kyle in NY : 2/6/2018 11:28 pm : link
on getting as high up in the lottery as possible. Awful news
RE: This likely  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13824572 ajr2456 said:
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means no playoffs next year either.

The team is still 5 years away from being a .500 team, so if you weren't around in 1973 when you they last won it - it doesn't matter if you are 4 or 44 - you won't this team ever win another title.
RE: Fuck  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13824569 DennyInDenville said:
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Silver linings

KP will finally rest

A big mans knee heals better then a big mans foot.

This sucks though, but I expect Kp to recover..

But idk. I don't start him until atleast January 2019 earliest. Let him take his time.


Knicks have already seen his best - he'll work his way back, but will be nothing more than 12/5 guy.
Bette, go away with your  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:32 pm : link
stupidity. Absolutely clueless.
Bagley here we come!  
Greg from LI : 2/6/2018 11:32 pm : link
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RE: RE: Fuck  
PhiPsi125 : 2/6/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13824589 TheVette said:
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In comment 13824569 DennyInDenville said:


Quote:


Silver linings

KP will finally rest

A big mans knee heals better then a big mans foot.

This sucks though, but I expect Kp to recover..

But idk. I don't start him until atleast January 2019 earliest. Let him take his time.



Knicks have already seen his best - he'll work his way back, but will be nothing more than 12/5 guy.


Lol, Jesus Christ.
One week  
JoeMoney19 : 2/6/2018 11:34 pm : link
til pitchers and catchers.
RE: RE: Plan For Lottery Picks This Year and Next Year  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13824581 Keith said:
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In comment 13824578 TheVette said:


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Trade vets, string together 27-28 wins season this year and next and see where it ends up. Need to luck out and get a Top 3 pick each year. When you fall to 8, you reach for kids like Ntilkina who's ceiling is a decent rotation player, but certainly not anything more.

KP will not be seen until the start of the 2019-20 season, so just keep on sucking this year and next.



So much nonsense.


So much ignorance. You think this team can win more than 27-28 games this year and next? With what? As for Ntilkina - he will be decent, but not a star. Stop dreaming, and accept reality
Vette  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
I’ve seen your best which is dogshit. You’ve speeed a lot of stupidity in such a short time. Well done.
RE: Bette, go away with your  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13824591 Keith said:
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stupidity. Absolutely clueless.


How's the view with your head in the sand Keith? The team has sucked for almost 20 years, yet w/o Porzingis - all of a sudden they are going to be good? Next 2 years - high lottery picks - get it?
Looking at the schedule  
GMEN46 : 2/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
I see 8 losses in a row. Did lottery rules change for this year or next year?
Just  
Phil in LA : 2/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
Awful.
RE: Vette  
TheVette : 2/6/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 13824597 Keith said:
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I’ve seen your best which is dogshit. You’ve speeed a lot of stupidity in such a short time. Well done.


Put down the pom-poms Keith. Are you really too stupid to see that the best player on the team is gone this year and next? But you already have him "coming back" and better than ever/ The silver lining you speak of is dogshit - but like I said - you are too dumb to figure this out.
Berman also says  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2018 11:39 pm : link
Knicks want a 1st or a good young player for Willy, if no deal they will trade oquinn for a 2nd
He’s not gone next year, geez.  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:40 pm : link
You are talking out of your ass. He will be back in nov/dec the latest. You have no idea ntilikinas ceiling and KP will be more than a 12/5 guy. Just g away.
Just a terrible night.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2018 11:40 pm : link
And we need Payton and Biyombo on this team? Get the fuck outta here. Let Noah sit home and sulk.
RE: Berman also says  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13824602 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks want a 1st or a good young player for Willy, if no deal they will trade oquinn for a 2nd


Why are they looking to trade willy? No chance they trade kanter, which they should. They need to be shopping everyone!
Get this troll  
ajr2456 : 2/6/2018 11:42 pm : link
Out of here.
Worst thing about KP’s injury  
Keith : 2/6/2018 11:45 pm : link
is that he will miss a whole offseason of development.
RE: Berman also says  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/6/2018 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13824602 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks want a 1st or a good young player for Willy, if no deal they will trade oquinn for a 2nd


They're certainly not getting that for Willy after they sapped his value this first half of the season. Trade everything else that isn't nailed down in the next 39 hours.

RE: RE: Fuck  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/7/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 13824589 TheVette said:
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Knicks have already seen his best - he'll work his way back, but will be nothing more than 12/5 guy.


3rd year in the league and 22 years old. The Knicks have already seen his best? Are you really this stupid?
So I'm not sure how much to believe the Noah trade stuff  
ChaChing : 2/7/2018 12:21 am : link
NBA is weird, and sell offs can go that crazy I suppose...

That said, trading what amounts to nothing in Noah and getting a legit young starting defensive PG who's got solid O (weaknesses aside) and a Biyombo who is a younger Noah (loosely speaking). It would be inexplicable / highway robbery / very un-Knicksian / amazing
I hope the Knicks  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2018 12:22 am : link
didn't screw themselves with that 10-for-14 win streak back in October/November. They need to tank and try and get one of these top guys.
What a kick in the balls this is.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 12:35 am : link
Have we not suffered enough? Now we get a calendar year to worry about the franchise player.
Looking at the standings...  
manh george : 2/7/2018 1:05 am : link
and assuming the Knicks shed someone, the Knicks could easily tank enough to end up with the 6th or 7th pick, plus the Bulls high second, the Clippers 2nd (Sixers option to swap that for the Knicks second) and whatever pick they get in a trade. At the first pick, the SI analysis has genuine high-level talent at least through the first ten picks.

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There’s DeAndre Ayton, who blends freak athleticism with a desirable modern-day skill set and sits No. 1 on our board. There’s Luka Doncic, the most accomplished international prospect ever. Marvin Bagley should be a high school senior right now, but has posted otherworldly numbers regardless. Mo Bamba is in the 99th percentile when it comes to defensive upside. The wild card is Michael Porter Jr., whose back injury is the only thing keeping him out of the top-three conversation at the moment. Keep going and there’s Trae Young, who’s having perhaps the most potent offensive season of any freshman point guard ever. Last year’s first round has proven wildly deep, but this one might have it beat on potential star power. The lack of movement atop this month’s draft board is a testament to that level of quality. Further down, Jaren Jackson has exhibited fast-track maturity and an enticing inside-out, two-way game. Kevin Knox could be scary as he figures out exactly who he is, while Mikal Bridges has made everything click in scary fashion. Wendell Carter is the freshman big who nobody’s giving enough credit.


Carter takes you through the top 10. The Knicks get can get a high-level 3 like Knox or Bridges at 8 or 9, and they need a 3. So, there will be talent wherever they pick, but it's hard to see them tanking enough to get to the top 4.

I still see Ntilikina getting a lot better and less injury-prone after a summer of bulking up and adding balance and explosiveness. He still has a kid's body right now. So who do they re-sign up front? Beasley? Kanter? Kanter may be more needed now with KP out so long. Beasley wants to come back, and his scoring will be needed. Maybe the Knicks get a discount.



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RE: Perry and mills  
Justlurking : 2/7/2018 1:08 am : link
In comment 13824561 nygiants16 said:
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Have to get rid of the vets and tank the rest of the way, they were afraid because kp wanted to make playoffs, he is out now..

Tank and get another star to go with kp


Everyone should be for sale. But knowing the Knicks, they’ll stand pat.
Per Berman  
Jon in NYC : 2/7/2018 7:03 am : link
they're talking to the magic about a Noah/Biyombo swap that somehow includes Elfrid Payton.
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...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2018 7:30 am : link
Ugh.

This f*cking sucks.
There are 2 positives I can see to this  
Dave on the UWS : 2/7/2018 9:29 am : link
although I really have my doubts about building around KP. He’s got big time durability issues. Positive #1. We will now see if we have the right people in Perry/Mills to lead this organization. The Melo deal gives me hope, they got 2 pretty good players from a weak negotiating position. Let’s see what they do with this horror show. #2 somewhat connected there can be no illusions about making the playoffs now. So their objectives for the organization are crystal clear. I don’t like the term or concept of “tanking”. I prefer developing young players who are not yet good enough to win much.
Guys like Willy, Dotson, Franklie, Burke need to play to see what they can grow into and see if they are part of the future. Guys like Jack and Lee are I inconsequential (except for trade) and Kanter has too many defensive limitations to win with. Trade him if possible. I would like to see Burke and Ntilikina on he floor together to see how that works. Frankie at 6-5 gives them defensive flexibility. These are the things that they should be focusing on. With luck KP should be back by X-mas but he probably won’t be pulling big minutes until late next season. So the next 3 years are laid out pretty clearly
Trade hardaway and Willy for picks  
idiotsavant : 2/7/2018 9:57 am : link
Take care of porz and spend the rest of the year not just ramdomly flipping chess pieces.

Idea that coach already despises dolans and is just flipping through his cards.
RE: Per Berman  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 13824653 Jon in NYC said:
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they're talking to the magic about a Noah/Biyombo swap that somehow includes Elfrid Payton. Link - ( New Window )


Unless the Knicks are including picks or sweeteners, why would Orlando ever do that? Biyombo is better, younger and on a shorter contract. Payton sucks but he’s still young.
Time to Tank  
Steve in South Jersey : 2/7/2018 10:07 am : link
.
Fire Hornacek  
elisha2014 : 2/7/2018 10:07 am : link
and start DNPing all the vets (Jack, Thomas, OQuinn) and play the kids from here on out.

See if you can get anything for Lee, OQuinn but keep Willy. The way they've handled him this season is borderline criminal.

TANK TANK TANK
Plan  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2018 10:15 am : link
Tank hard. Trade Lee/ KOQ for whatever you can get. Young players, 2nd rounders, heavily protected future 1sts. Do it. Would you trade them for Roberson? I would.

Play Noah. Helps the tank and maybe you get a miracle and he resurrects his career and you dump him in the off-season.

Play Willy, Frank, Dotson big minutes. Sign some G league guys and see if you find a diamond in the rough. Another Covington.

The Knicks need to do all these things. Sadly I doubt they do any of it. Prove me wrong Scott Perry.
well if you like the tank approach this helps  
djm : 2/7/2018 3:37 pm : link
I don't see any silver linings except one:

KP can't really develop any disgust with losing this next year or two. He will rehab. He will be back. And he likely won't give a shit that the Knicks win 28 games this season and next, maybe even less.

So we suck more balls once again but maybe, just maybe the Knicks can get two more good chips the next two drafts and then have a healthy and signed KP, 3-4 good young players alongside him and cap room in 2020.

Fuck this...
Thats def a silver lining,  
Keith : 2/7/2018 3:39 pm : link
just like when David Robinson went down and the Spurs were able to get Duncan. I know we cannot be bad enough to get a game changer like Duncan, but the point remains.

Unfortunately, it does not appear that the Knicks have that long term vision though, they are dead set on winning now.
RE: Worst thing about KP’s injury  
GuzzaBlue : 2/8/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13824610 Keith said:
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is that he will miss a whole offseason of development.


Missing offseason conditioning and having the shaky knee will hurt his conditioning greatly. Something we were all hoping would get better. The worst part is his size though. I already was nervous everytime he landed on one leg. He is so lanky. Also, will his knee be able to take on adding weight which he needs to do. Geez what a mess this is.
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