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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2018 7:35 am
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One word:  
Keith : 2/7/2018 7:38 am : link
Sell!
Was planning to see a game at the Garden.  
Beezer : 2/7/2018 7:38 am : link
At the ridiculous prices, now I dont know if I want to.
RE: One word:  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13824690 Keith said:
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Sell!


Fact.
Continue losing to get  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2018 7:44 am : link
a higher ping pong ball.
massively disappointing.  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 7:48 am : link
but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.
RE: massively disappointing.  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13824702 Heisenberg said:
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but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.


You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
I feel bad for the diehard Knick fans on here..  
Sean : 2/7/2018 7:57 am : link
I really do. Hope KP recovers and they get a top lotto pick.
Just terrible  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2018 8:01 am : link
It sets the franchise back considerably. He needs to come back for at least 20-30 games next year to prove to free agents he is good. Do they still give him big contract this offseason?
God damnit  
TommyWiseau : 2/7/2018 8:06 am : link
Just went we saw a glimpse of light
RE: RE: massively disappointing.  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 8:12 am : link
In comment 13824703 DanMetroMan said:
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but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.



You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol


yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.
Worst part  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2018 8:20 am : link
About this is phil Jackson was right about injury concerns. I love Porzingis, but there are at least 3 times every game where he has an awkward landing. I am concerned about giving him 5 Years $160 million with how much he gets hurt. The jaylen Brown and pick from last year would have been a good haul.

The worst part about this is he loses the offseason to get stronger.
RE: RE: RE: massively disappointing.  
Justlurking : 2/7/2018 8:20 am : link
In comment 13824714 Heisenberg said:
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but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.



You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol



yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.


Fire Hornacek like NOW.
Two months ago I said the Knicks should trade  
GiantFilthy : 2/7/2018 8:25 am : link
with the Lakers and send Porz for Deng.

Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.
what a horrible year for NY fans  
PhilSimms15 : 2/7/2018 8:26 am : link
First Odell, then Eli gets benched in a stupid way, the Eagles win the Super Bowl and now KP goes down.

The next two days will reveal a lot about Perry/Mills. Do they have the guts to trade away vets like Lee and O'quinn (and maybe even Kanter)? Or do they double down on this ridiculous playoff chase and trade Willie for a vet to "help them make the playoffs?"

This franchise does not only have a horrible owner and what appears to be weak management, they are also very unlucky. Bernard King, McDyess, and now KP.
All devastating knee injuries.
I dont care about this  
Jon in NYC : 2/7/2018 8:30 am : link
year or next year. My biggest concern is KP coming back at 100%.
Go back to last offseason  
Chris684 : 2/7/2018 8:32 am : link
when Phil was getting killed for listening to offers for KP.

This past year's #3 pick (Tatum), Brooklyn's pick this year, and one of Boston's young players on top of Frank and their own lottery pick and all of a sudden things look very different.
RE: Two months ago I said the Knicks should trade  
ajr2456 : 2/7/2018 8:43 am : link
In comment 13824721 GiantFilthy said:
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with the Lakers and send Porz for Deng.

Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.


I bet your feeling pretty stupid for actually thinking that was a good trade.
KP  
Pete44 : 2/7/2018 8:44 am : link
Truly devastating injury, just deflating for the entire team, fanbase and KP. I hope that KP can come back stronger from the rehab and gets back around this time next year, no need to rush him at any point.

Perry should be on the phone and be in full blown tank mode, selling off players for whatever they can get.

This team should not win more than 2 or 3 games the rest of the season.
on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most obvious  
Keith : 2/7/2018 8:45 am : link
sarcasm, I'd say Filthy's post was a 50. You really couldn't tell he was being sarcastic??
RE: RE: Two months ago I said the Knicks should trade  
GiantFilthy : 2/7/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13824739 ajr2456 said:
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with the Lakers and send Porz for Deng.

Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.



I bet your feeling pretty stupid for actually thinking that was a good trade.

In this hand you have an injured player giving you nothing for the rest of the year.

In the other hand you have Deng absolutely DESTROYING the East.

And you choose the former? Ooooooooook then.
Its really been a string of missteps for this organization, and there  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/7/2018 8:48 am : link
has been absolutely no luck whatsoever. Without KP there is no reason to watch at all. I am sure they will fill the roster with veteran journeymen to make the games palatable for the corporate crowds that fill the seats. This team really cant get out of its own way.

Who wants to bet that the Nets will regain prominence before the Knicks?

Hornacek is good for tanking but he hs to go if he refuses to play the young guys.

No sense knocking Frank, but at this point hea more Weis than Giannis. He has to get experience if healthy, funny how we were weary of DSJs knee, now its our pick that has knee issues at age 19 despite not playing extensively. I love how fans insist on seeing greatness in him, based on what? Yeah itd be nice, but lets face reality here. How would our outlook be different with Mitchell?

Hardaway is a loser, Mills is an idiot for signing him. How soon before someone suggests attaching a pick to rid ourselves of his contract?

How pathetic is it that Burke, a G League All-Star and Jazz castoff, is now our one bright spot?

Lets see what Perry does before the deadline, but the next positive step will be a first for the Knicks.
On a serious note, this sucks.  
GiantFilthy : 2/7/2018 8:50 am : link
I know there are certain aspects of his game that can be a bit frustrating at times, but Unicorn is one of the most fun players to watch in this league. A high pick is a decent reward for having to suffer through another year though. Worst part is his offseason workouts getting hampered because of this.
Awful news. This team is cursed, really feel bad for KP  
Mike in NJ : 2/7/2018 8:52 am : link
On the bright side, I would expect him to come back fully recovered and its not like KPs game is reliant on his athleticism. This isnt a Derrick Rose situation where the guy will never be the same. There were concerns that KP would turn down an extension in the offseason, maybe now hes much more willing to accept a deal now rather than putting it off and risking another injury.

There is no reason not to play Willy now. This opens up a ton of front court minutes and they had better not go to Joakim Noah. We need to just focus on developing Willy and Frank while losing as many games as possible.
Well the good news is Knicks may be able  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:00 am : link
To lose enough to get into top 5 of this draft..

From berman, Knicks talking to magic about Payton..

Knicks want a 1st or a good young player for Willy, if not will trade oquinn for a 2nd..
KP was destroying Greek Freak last night, too.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 9:11 am : link
Just an awful moment. Get well soon, big fella.
Lottery  
Pete44 : 2/7/2018 9:14 am : link
There are a lot of bad teams out there, I'm not sure the Knicks can get into the top 5.
RE: Its really been a string of missteps for this organization, and there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 13824755 Jim in Hoboken said:
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No sense knocking Frank, but at this point hea more Weis than Giannis. I love how fans insist on seeing greatness in him.



What a weird comparison that nobody anywhere has tried to make, at any point.

Top five may be a stretch  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 9:19 am : link
but were definitely jumping down a few spots. We play mostly winning teams through the end of the season. Too bad we already swept the Nets.
25 Wins  
Pete44 : 2/7/2018 9:23 am : link
If we can max out at 25 wins, there is a chance, they can sneak into the Top 5. The only silver lining to this would be to get another franchise player. With KP, the Knicks were going to play to win the rest of the season.
RE: 25 Wins  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13824799 Pete44 said:
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If we can max out at 25 wins, there is a chance, they can sneak into the Top 5. The only silver lining to this would be to get another franchise player. With KP, the Knicks were going to play to win the rest of the season.


They have to go to hornacek and tell him it is time to go young...

If he declines fire him
Brutal....  
Italianju : 2/7/2018 9:27 am : link
i really hope he can be on the shorter time table and still get back for a lot of next season.

On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.

25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.
Unless ORL...  
Italianju : 2/7/2018 9:30 am : link
is giving payton away i wouldnt be interested. He is extremely inconsistent. Now ORL has made some real crap trades recently so maybe they will give him away for pennies on the dollar. He def still has a lot of upside and puts together some really good games, followed of course by some real shitty ones.
RE: Was planning to see a game at the Garden.  
Giantology : 2/7/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13824691 Beezer said:
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At the ridiculous prices, now I dont know if I want to.


Prices should be much less ridiculous now. Only going down
RE: Unless ORL...  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 13824822 Italianju said:
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is giving payton away i wouldnt be interested. He is extremely inconsistent. Now ORL has made some real crap trades recently so maybe they will give him away for pennies on the dollar. He def still has a lot of upside and puts together some really good games, followed of course by some real shitty ones.


Rumored deal is Payton and Bismarck for noah and a 2nd...

They would recoup a 2nd with an oquinn deal..

RE: Brutal....  
Pete44 : 2/7/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13824813 Italianju said:
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i really hope he can be on the shorter time table and still get back for a lot of next season.

On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.

25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.


Italianju - you are right if Hornacek continues with the vets, they will 8-10 more games. I agree with NYGiants, Perry/Mills needs to go to Hornacek and say play the young guys, especially in crunch time minutes, if he declines, fire him and let Kurt Rambis coach. If Rambis coaches, we are assured losing every game.
ehh i wouldnt hate that Payton deal...  
Italianju : 2/7/2018 9:45 am : link
but i dont love it. You are adding an extra year with Biyombo vs. Noah. Now BB is a much better player, but still way overpriced. That said that trade seems really bad for ORL. Basically give away Payton just to dump one year of BB?
RE: ehh i wouldnt hate that Payton deal...  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13824854 Italianju said:
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but i dont love it. You are adding an extra year with Biyombo vs. Noah. Now BB is a much better player, but still way overpriced. That said that trade seems really bad for ORL. Basically give away Payton just to dump one year of BB?


Biyombo has same contract..

Orlando doesn't want to resign Payton, he is restricted
why would  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 9:53 am : link
Orlando do that?
oops.. your right  
Italianju : 2/7/2018 9:54 am : link
so then why does anyone think that ORL would do that? To get a 2nd rounder? They could just let Elf walk and keep the better overpaid center. There would def be another asset coming from NY.
RE: why would  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13824870 Enzo said:
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Orlando do that?


Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw
RE: oops.. your right  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13824872 Italianju said:
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so then why does anyone think that ORL would do that? To get a 2nd rounder? They could just let Elf walk and keep the better overpaid center. There would def be another asset coming from NY.


It would have to be something else
Take this fwiw  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 9:57 am : link
I have a friend works in Philly media, says Knicks are now shopping Lee, take it fwiw he has been right but also wrong so I don't normally post what he tells me...

RE: RE: why would  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13824876 nygiants16 said:
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Orlando do that?



Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw

I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.
Cant be surprised at a guy with his height and build having  
arniefez : 2/7/2018 10:00 am : link
a difficult time dealing with the 82 games. But the Knicks are just hopeless. It's not even a black cloud it's something worse.
RE: RE: RE: why would  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13824888 Enzo said:
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Orlando do that?



Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw


I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.


Perry was there when they drafted Payton so it makes sense
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Enzo : 2/7/2018 10:04 am : link
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Orlando do that?



Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw


I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.



Perry was there when they drafted Payton so it makes sense

it makes sense he would have interest. The trade Berman is proposing is just dumb on several levels.
What's scary about this current administration is,  
TheMick7 : 2/7/2018 10:07 am : link
according to the reporters,that before KP's injury,they were going into the trade deadline with the goal being to make the playoffs.I thought Perry was smarter than that(Mills is a lost cause) but seeing that they were entertaining trades for a 23 year old player,who was first team all rookie but can't see the floor under Hornacek because he was coaching for his job,scares me. Now,the goal should be to move KOQ,Lee,Thomas,Noah(???),Beasley,Jacks and play the kids.Bring Hicks up to fill KP's spot & play him as well.Between now & 3:00 PM EST tomorrow,if they don't make major moves & Hornacek plays the same lineup,rotation sans KP on Thursday,we're fucked! I'm old enough that I've seen both championship seasons but for you younger guys,I hope you see one in your lifetime but I'm not very confident that you will!
RE: Take this fwiw  
Pete44 : 2/7/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13824883 nygiants16 said:
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I have a friend works in Philly media, says Knicks are now shopping Lee, take it fwiw he has been right but also wrong so I don't normally post what he tells me...


I have heard that OKC and Detroit are hot for Lee.
There is zero reason...  
Italianju : 2/7/2018 10:11 am : link
that Lee, KOQ, or Jack should be on this team moving forward. I really like Lee, but he wont be here when we are good again and he has some value. Id have to assume we could get like a 2nd for Beasley. I know they play different positions but i could see whoever misses out on Evans turning around and looking at beasley. Teams that need scoring should def be interested in Beasley
giving up a second basically to be able to match what teams offer  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 10:12 am : link
Payton? Not terrible I suppose? he's improved his game pretty consistently. but he's gonna need to get paid.
RE: There is zero reason...  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13824918 Italianju said:
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that Lee, KOQ, or Jack should be on this team moving forward. I really like Lee, but he wont be here when we are good again and he has some value. Id have to assume we could get like a 2nd for Beasley. I know they play different positions but i could see whoever misses out on Evans turning around and looking at beasley. Teams that need scoring should def be interested in Beasley

unfortunately it appears that the market is clogged with teams looking to unload vets. If the best you can get for KOQ is a decent #2, I guess you take it since he's likely leaving this summer. For Lee, it might make sense to keep him around and see if you can do better for him down the road.
RE: giving up a second basically to be able to match what teams offer  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13824920 Heisenberg said:
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Payton? Not terrible I suppose? he's improved his game pretty consistently. but he's gonna need to get paid.

everyone is saying there's not going to be much money available this summer. So maybe it would make sense to keep a guy like Payton (and also McDermott) if you can get them to stay on reasonable deals. Most of these guys aren't going to be able to do better than the MLE.
When KP went down...  
Canton : 2/7/2018 10:27 am : link
I think Hornacek saw his chances to coach another season go with him.

He knows he can't win to save his job now.
Pistons  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2018 10:42 am : link
Just got an injury exception for Leur I believe. Lee and oquinn for stamina and contracts 2 years or less
Sell off Lee and Kanter  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2018 10:45 am : link
and let Willy play as much as he wants. If the Knicks front office doesn't see this as the perfect "excuse" to tank, they will regret it indefinitely and Perry will have been just another disappointment in a long line of disappointments.
We're gonna have to schedule another open panel discussion  
ghost718 : 2/7/2018 10:49 am : link
RE: When KP went down...  
EmpireWF : 2/7/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13824954 Canton said:
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I think Hornacek saw his chances to coach another season go with him.

He knows he can't win to save his job now.


They can always spin this as he deserves another year based off this injury.

I don't like Hornacek and would be okay with Mark Jackson for 2-3 years.
RE: Pistons  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13824976 GMEN46 said:
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Just got an injury exception for Leur I believe. Lee and oquinn for stamina and contracts 2 years or less

they could accept KOQ or Beasley right into the exception without having to take $$ back. Of course that's the case with any other player making in that range. Additionally, teams over the luxury tax may even attach picks to players to drop into that exception. In other words, our vets are ok but I don't know if they're good enough to get anything substantial back in return.
Its sad that they needed to see KP going down  
Keith : 2/7/2018 11:06 am : link
before deciding to sell. At least we can see that as a positive of KP going down. Now we are ok selling off.
RE: RE: Was planning to see a game at the Garden.  
Beezer : 2/7/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13824824 Giantology said:
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At the ridiculous prices, now I dont know if I want to.



Prices should be much less ridiculous now. Only going down


Is there a better approach than just watching StubHub? I gave my eye on a couple baseline tickets. Theyd immediately be the most expensive tickets Ive ever purchased, by about double. Would be really nice if they plummeted.
apperently  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/7/2018 11:21 am : link
Willy to Charlotte
Keep the trades coming.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 11:22 am : link
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with KP out  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2018 11:24 am : link
and no reason to win games, why trade Willy now? Why not play him?
This is just  
Phil in LA : 2/7/2018 11:26 am : link
brutal.
RE: apperently  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13825037 Steve in Greenwich said:
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Willy to Charlotte


Malik monk?
Monk and Bacon were two of my draft favorites.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 11:27 am : link
Maybe we'll get one of them.
Willy  
Jon in NYC : 2/7/2018 11:28 am : link
for Monk would be pretty wild.
I'm prepared for disappointment, as usual.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 11:28 am : link
,
Ian Begley  
Canton : 2/7/2018 11:29 am : link
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Ian Begley
Twitter IanBegley
The Knicks are finalizing a deal to send center Willy Hernangomez to Charlotte, league sources confirm. Hernangomez had been unhappy with his role in New York. The deal was first reported by Yahoo Sports.
I would take  
Jon in NYC : 2/7/2018 11:29 am : link
Bacon as well.
WTF did these idiots do now  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 11:29 am : link
.
Dream on  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:31 am : link
It's going to be a pair of second round picks or something
it's neither  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/7/2018 11:31 am : link
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
Sources: Charlotte is sending Johnny O'Bryant and two second-round draft picks to the Knicks for Willy Hernangomez.
Imagine Willy somehow  
Canton : 2/7/2018 11:31 am : link
becomes an adequate defender, and his offensive game explodes in 2-3 years, and he becomes an all-star lol.
Johnny Bryant and 2 seconds  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 11:31 am : link
Oh boy
oh Jesus  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 11:32 am : link
Johnny O'Bryant and two second-round draft picks?

HAHAHAHA....I was close!  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:33 am : link
Nailed the picks but forgot the useless end-of-the-bench throw-in
RE: oh Jesus  
Canton : 2/7/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13825083 Enzo said:
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Johnny O'Bryant and two second-round draft picks?


Well tge honeymoons over LOL.

we got a bag of peanuts. The front office is killing it 😂
Perry/Mills  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 11:35 am : link
just let themselves be strong-armed by a guy who's been in the league for 5 minutes.
RE: it's neither  
rich in DC : 2/7/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13825078 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
Sources: Charlotte is sending Johnny O'Bryant and two second-round draft picks to the Knicks for Willy Hernangomez.


The worst part- if these are 2018 picks, it will be Cleveland's second rounder and Houston's second rounder. In other words, end of the 2nd round picks...
RE: Imagine Willy somehow  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13825079 Canton said:
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becomes an adequate defender, and his offensive game explodes in 2-3 years, and he becomes an all-star lol.


Even if he doesn't, and is the exact same player he is today for the rest of his career, he's going to be a helluva lot more valuable than Johnny O'Bryant and whichever jokers they choose with those picks.
we haven't even  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 11:36 am : link
conveyed the picks we gave up to get Wily. That doesn't happen until 2020 and 2021.
RE: RE: it's neither  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13825100 rich in DC said:
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The worst part- if these are 2018 picks, it will be Cleveland's second rounder and Houston's second rounder. In other words, end of the 2nd round picks...


And we once were somewhat optimistic about Perry.
What are they doing?  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2018 11:40 am : link
That is an awful deal? Are these guys morons
Willy  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2018 11:42 am : link
Please someone try to sell this trade to me. I'm not even the biggest Willy fan, but you just traded an all rookie center locked in a contract for the vet min until 2020. At worst hes a solid backup. Not to mention hes best friends with your franchise player who just suffered a crippling injury.

Explain to me how the Knicks aren't dsyfcuntional again? I can't wait to watch the youth movement of Jack/ Lee/ Lance down the stretch...Here comes another pick between 10-12.
weird deal  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 11:44 am : link
I don't think they could have gotten a first for him. And Monk or Bacon were pure fantasy.

It's what the market is for him but, I guess my feeling is why not just keep him rather than trade him for this.

tells me that they are prob planning on keeping Kanter tho
I dont understand  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2018 11:46 am : link
How fans can be better general managers that these executives. Mills went to Princeton. What. Amoron. Willy was locked in for 2 more years on a cheap contract
Kanter is definitely going to be signed  
Canton : 2/7/2018 11:46 am : link
NY loves him.
"Youth Movement"  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2018 11:47 am : link
Most likely the knicks will be finishing this season without 1 future piece in their starting lineup. What a disgraceful franchise.

Don't forget the Knicks gave up a 2nd round pick for Scott Perry...
RE:  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13825153 TyreeHelmet said:
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Most likely the knicks will be finishing this season without 1 future piece in their starting lineup. What a disgraceful franchise.

Don't forget the Knicks gave up a 2nd round pick for Scott Perry...


Oh, see, that's why they needed those second round picks!
what's funny is that  
Enzo : 2/7/2018 11:51 am : link
there's basically zero chance Perry is here in 2021 to make the last of these picks. If we're lucky, maybe Mills will be gone too.
RE: I dont understand  
Keith : 2/7/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13825150 GMEN46 said:
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How fans can be better general managers that these executives. Mills went to Princeton. What. Amoron. Willy was locked in for 2 more years on a cheap contract


We talked about this yesterday. It doesn't matter who is the face of the decisions. From every front office executive that we've had for the past 20 years, the one constant is James Dolan.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2018 11:55 am : link
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Most likely the knicks will be finishing this season without 1 future piece in their starting lineup. What a disgraceful franchise.

Don't forget the Knicks gave up a 2nd round pick for Scott Perry...



Oh, see, that's why they needed those second round picks!


What would you rather have? The Knicks 2019 2nd round pick or the Hornets 2020/201 picks? Because I would argue the Knicks gave up more for Scott Perry then the Hornets gave up for Willy.

Explain to me why the Knicks needed to trade a 2nd round pick for Scott Perry again?
so he could make brilliant deals like this  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 11:59 am : link
obviously
RE: What are they doing?  
Justlurking : 2/7/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13825124 GMEN46 said:
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That is an awful deal? Are these guys morons


Well, Steve Mills has been in the Knicks organization forever and has never made an intelligent move and Perry is the guy responsible for building the worst team in the NBA.

So to answer your question, yes. They are complete and utter morons.
Mills is not a basketball guy. How he is in charge of basketball  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/7/2018 2:27 pm : link
operations just shows you how clueless Dolan is. Graduating from Princeton and looking good in a suit dont translate to making good basketball decisions.

Letting him sign Hardaway as an interim was just idiotic.

I thought Perry would be different, jury is still out.
Well it didn't take long  
moespree : 2/7/2018 2:38 pm : link
I liked Perry and was intrigued by the things he was saying earlier in the year and thought there was finally a guy in charge who had a plan to do it the right way. Well that didn't last long. More of the same again. Another guy seduced by the quick fix.
RE: Go back to last offseason  
djm : 2/7/2018 4:11 pm : link
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when Phil was getting killed for listening to offers for KP.

This past year's #3 pick (Tatum), Brooklyn's pick this year, and one of Boston's young players on top of Frank and their own lottery pick and all of a sudden things look very different.


Oh shut your trap.
If the Celtics offered that package  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 4:13 pm : link
Phil would've taken it. I wanted no part of trading KP, but if Boston offered the #3 pick AND this year's Brooklyn pick, you'd have to do it. No chance that was on the table.
I try and try  
djm : 2/7/2018 4:21 pm : link
to just cut the Knicks out and not care. And yet something always pulls me back or gives me a small sense of hope. And every fucking time I buy in long or short term the Knicks shit all over me and everyone else.

I just can't take this team anymore. I'm sure I will be wagging my fucking tail all fucking excited in about 700 days or so..."we have cap room...we have KP back healthy a decent core of young hungry players"----and then the entire team will get hurt in a charity pickup game or something...they just can't get things right.

I'm more Knicks depressed today than i've been in a while. They constantly push that envelop too. Just when I think I can't get any angrier or frustrated the Knicks raise the bar.

Oh and you can bet your ass the Frank will suck balls when all is said n done. Cmon...a drafted PG reach an elite potential here with the Knicks? Get real.
Yeah, this a rock bottom type of day, no question.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 4:26 pm : link
KP is a star. People can debate his future, his ceiling, etc., whatever - the guy's averaging 23 per night and leading the NBA in blocks and he's only 22 years old. It's crazy what he's accomplished in 2.5 years. Elite scoring and elite rim protection and he's a few years away from entering his prime. Just have to pray to the basketball gods he comes back strong.
We hit "rock bottom"  
Keith : 2/7/2018 4:38 pm : link
once per year. I'm numb to it actually. It makes you appreciate any success that you have with your other teams(sorry mets fans). In the grand scheme of things, this could be a blessing. The reality is that we should be focused on asset gathering for 2020. Our focus for the next 2 years SHOULD have been to get the best possible picks and as many good young players as possible. This should help that. So assuming KP comes back 100%(most guys do this day and age), we should be in position to compete in 2020 if we make the right decisions now.

That being said, I know the owner doesn't share the same patience and we will probably try our best to compete the next few seasons and make the playoffs.
RE: We hit  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2018 5:07 pm : link
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once per year. I'm numb to it actually. It makes you appreciate any success that you have with your other teams(sorry mets fans). In the grand scheme of things, this could be a blessing. The reality is that we should be focused on asset gathering for 2020. Our focus for the next 2 years SHOULD have been to get the best possible picks and as many good young players as possible. This should help that. So assuming KP comes back 100%(most guys do this day and age), we should be in position to compete in 2020 if we make the right decisions now.

That being said, I know the owner doesn't share the same patience and we will probably try our best to compete the next few seasons and make the playoffs.


If I'm being brutally honest I really think my pure "love" of sports has taken a major hit with how bad my teams generally are. I still obviously "feel" it when the Giants are good and it's a big game etc but I really think "how bad" my teams routinely are has taken a toll on my real passion for the teams.
No Kanter Tomorrow  
Eli Wilson : 2/7/2018 5:10 pm : link
Who's the backup center? Noah?


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Enes Kanter will not play tomorrow vs. Toronto after having the cut in his mouth re-stitched. Tim Hardaway Jr. is available to play.
Kanter desperately needs the All-Star Break.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2018 5:18 pm : link
Dude was moving around like a 90-year-old at the end of last night's game. I'm not a huge Kanter fan, but you can't knock his effort - he gives it all he has.
RE: No Kanter Tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2018 5:23 pm : link
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Who's the backup center? Noah?




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Enes Kanter will not play tomorrow vs. Toronto after having the cut in his mouth re-stitched. Tim Hardaway Jr. is available to play.



My guess is kornwt unless Knicks make a move tonight
Well that about does it  
TJ : 2/7/2018 6:51 pm : link
I've watched my last knicks game for this year. If I had any brains I wouldn't watch again til Dolan's gone.
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