It sets the franchise back considerably. He needs to come back for at least 20-30 games next year to prove to free agents he is good. Do they still give him big contract this offseason?
but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.
You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.
About this is phil Jackson was right about injury concerns. I love Porzingis, but there are at least 3 times every game where he has an awkward landing. I am concerned about giving him 5 Years $160 million with how much he gets hurt. The jaylen Brown and pick from last year would have been a good haul.
The worst part about this is he loses the offseason to get stronger.
but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.
You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.
First Odell, then Eli gets benched in a stupid way, the Eagles win the Super Bowl and now KP goes down.
The next two days will reveal a lot about Perry/Mills. Do they have the guts to trade away vets like Lee and O'quinn (and maybe even Kanter)? Or do they double down on this ridiculous playoff chase and trade Willie for a vet to "help them make the playoffs?"
This franchise does not only have a horrible owner and what appears to be weak management, they are also very unlucky. Bernard King, McDyess, and now KP.
All devastating knee injuries.
when Phil was getting killed for listening to offers for KP.
This past year's #3 pick (Tatum), Brooklyn's pick this year, and one of Boston's young players on top of Frank and their own lottery pick and all of a sudden things look very different.
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Truly devastating injury, just deflating for the entire team, fanbase and KP. I hope that KP can come back stronger from the rehab and gets back around this time next year, no need to rush him at any point.
Perry should be on the phone and be in full blown tank mode, selling off players for whatever they can get.
This team should not win more than 2 or 3 games the rest of the season.
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has been absolutely no luck whatsoever. Without KP there is no reason to watch at all. I am sure they will fill the roster with veteran journeymen to make the games palatable for the corporate crowds that fill the seats. This team really can’t get out of its own way.
Who wants to bet that the Nets will regain prominence before the Knicks?
Hornacek is good for tanking but he hs to go if he refuses to play the young guys.
No sense knocking Frank, but at this point he’a more Weis than Giannis. He has to get experience if healthy, funny how we were weary of DSJ’s knee, now it’s our pick that has knee issues at age 19 despite not playing extensively. I love how fans insist on seeing greatness in him, based on what? Yeah it’d be nice, but let’s face reality here. How would our outlook be different with Mitchell?
Hardaway is a loser, Mills is an idiot for signing him. How soon before someone suggests attaching a pick to rid ourselves of his contract?
How pathetic is it that Burke, a G League All-Star and Jazz castoff, is now our one bright spot?
Let’s see what Perry does before the deadline, but the next positive step will be a first for the Knicks.
I know there are certain aspects of his game that can be a bit frustrating at times, but Unicorn is one of the most fun players to watch in this league. A high pick is a decent reward for having to suffer through another year though. Worst part is his offseason workouts getting hampered because of this.
Awful news. This team is cursed, really feel bad for KP Â
On the bright side, I would expect him to come back fully recovered and it’s not like KP’s game is reliant on his athleticism. This isn’t a Derrick Rose situation where the guy will never be the same. There were concerns that KP would turn down an extension in the offseason, maybe now he’s much more willing to accept a deal now rather than putting it off and risking another injury.
There is no reason not to play Willy now. This opens up a ton of front court minutes and they had better not go to Joakim Noah. We need to just focus on developing Willy and Frank while losing as many games as possible.
If we can max out at 25 wins, there is a chance, they can sneak into the Top 5. The only silver lining to this would be to get another franchise player. With KP, the Knicks were going to play to win the rest of the season.
If we can max out at 25 wins, there is a chance, they can sneak into the Top 5. The only silver lining to this would be to get another franchise player. With KP, the Knicks were going to play to win the rest of the season.
They have to go to hornacek and tell him it is time to go young...
i really hope he can be on the shorter time table and still get back for a lot of next season.
On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.
25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.
is giving payton away i wouldnt be interested. He is extremely inconsistent. Now ORL has made some real crap trades recently so maybe they will give him away for pennies on the dollar. He def still has a lot of upside and puts together some really good games, followed of course by some real shitty ones.
is giving payton away i wouldnt be interested. He is extremely inconsistent. Now ORL has made some real crap trades recently so maybe they will give him away for pennies on the dollar. He def still has a lot of upside and puts together some really good games, followed of course by some real shitty ones.
Rumored deal is Payton and Bismarck for noah and a 2nd...
i really hope he can be on the shorter time table and still get back for a lot of next season.
On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.
25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.
Italianju - you are right if Hornacek continues with the vets, they will 8-10 more games. I agree with NYGiants, Perry/Mills needs to go to Hornacek and say play the young guys, especially in crunch time minutes, if he declines, fire him and let Kurt Rambis coach. If Rambis coaches, we are assured losing every game.
but i dont love it. You are adding an extra year with Biyombo vs. Noah. Now BB is a much better player, but still way overpriced. That said that trade seems really bad for ORL. Basically give away Payton just to dump one year of BB?
but i dont love it. You are adding an extra year with Biyombo vs. Noah. Now BB is a much better player, but still way overpriced. That said that trade seems really bad for ORL. Basically give away Payton just to dump one year of BB?
Biyombo has same contract..
Orlando doesn't want to resign Payton, he is restricted
so then why does anyone think that ORL would do that? To get a 2nd rounder? They could just let Elf walk and keep the better overpaid center. There would def be another asset coming from NY.
so then why does anyone think that ORL would do that? To get a 2nd rounder? They could just let Elf walk and keep the better overpaid center. There would def be another asset coming from NY.
I have a friend works in Philly media, says Knicks are now shopping Lee, take it fwiw he has been right but also wrong so I don't normally post what he tells me...
according to the reporters,that before KP's injury,they were going into the trade deadline with the goal being to make the playoffs.I thought Perry was smarter than that(Mills is a lost cause) but seeing that they were entertaining trades for a 23 year old player,who was first team all rookie but can't see the floor under Hornacek because he was coaching for his job,scares me. Now,the goal should be to move KOQ,Lee,Thomas,Noah(???),Beasley,Jacks and play the kids.Bring Hicks up to fill KP's spot & play him as well.Between now & 3:00 PM EST tomorrow,if they don't make major moves & Hornacek plays the same lineup,rotation sans KP on Thursday,we're fucked! I'm old enough that I've seen both championship seasons but for you younger guys,I hope you see one in your lifetime but I'm not very confident that you will!
I have a friend works in Philly media, says Knicks are now shopping Lee, take it fwiw he has been right but also wrong so I don't normally post what he tells me...
I have heard that OKC and Detroit are hot for Lee.
that Lee, KOQ, or Jack should be on this team moving forward. I really like Lee, but he wont be here when we are good again and he has some value. Id have to assume we could get like a 2nd for Beasley. I know they play different positions but i could see whoever misses out on Evans turning around and looking at beasley. Teams that need scoring should def be interested in Beasley
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Fact.
You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
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but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.
You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.
The worst part about this is he loses the offseason to get stronger.
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but solves the fake quandary regarding buying or selling.
You would think but being the Knicks I expect them to trade for KP's replacement using the Bulls 2nd lol
yeah, that's true. It's a real test for Perry. It's clear what the Knicks should do. Trade vets for any kind of assets, play the kids, wait out the bad contracts. But the Knicks haven't done that for the last 20 years so, it's hard to expect them to do that.
Fire Hornacek like NOW.
Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.
The next two days will reveal a lot about Perry/Mills. Do they have the guts to trade away vets like Lee and O'quinn (and maybe even Kanter)? Or do they double down on this ridiculous playoff chase and trade Willie for a vet to "help them make the playoffs?"
This franchise does not only have a horrible owner and what appears to be weak management, they are also very unlucky. Bernard King, McDyess, and now KP.
All devastating knee injuries.
This past year's #3 pick (Tatum), Brooklyn's pick this year, and one of Boston's young players on top of Frank and their own lottery pick and all of a sudden things look very different.
Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.
I bet your feeling pretty stupid for actually thinking that was a good trade.
Perry should be on the phone and be in full blown tank mode, selling off players for whatever they can get.
This team should not win more than 2 or 3 games the rest of the season.
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with the Lakers and send Porz for Deng.
Bet you guys are feeling pretty stupid for not taking that deal right about now.
I bet your feeling pretty stupid for actually thinking that was a good trade.
In this hand you have an injured player giving you nothing for the rest of the year.
In the other hand you have Deng absolutely DESTROYING the East.
And you choose the former? Ooooooooook then.
Who wants to bet that the Nets will regain prominence before the Knicks?
Hornacek is good for tanking but he hs to go if he refuses to play the young guys.
No sense knocking Frank, but at this point he’a more Weis than Giannis. He has to get experience if healthy, funny how we were weary of DSJ’s knee, now it’s our pick that has knee issues at age 19 despite not playing extensively. I love how fans insist on seeing greatness in him, based on what? Yeah it’d be nice, but let’s face reality here. How would our outlook be different with Mitchell?
Hardaway is a loser, Mills is an idiot for signing him. How soon before someone suggests attaching a pick to rid ourselves of his contract?
How pathetic is it that Burke, a G League All-Star and Jazz castoff, is now our one bright spot?
Let’s see what Perry does before the deadline, but the next positive step will be a first for the Knicks.
There is no reason not to play Willy now. This opens up a ton of front court minutes and they had better not go to Joakim Noah. We need to just focus on developing Willy and Frank while losing as many games as possible.
From berman, Knicks talking to magic about Payton..
Knicks want a 1st or a good young player for Willy, if not will trade oquinn for a 2nd..
No sense knocking Frank, but at this point he’a more Weis than Giannis. I love how fans insist on seeing greatness in him.
What a weird comparison that nobody anywhere has tried to make, at any point.
They have to go to hornacek and tell him it is time to go young...
If he declines fire him
On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.
25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.
Prices should be much less ridiculous now. Only going down
Rumored deal is Payton and Bismarck for noah and a 2nd...
They would recoup a 2nd with an oquinn deal..
On the plus side it is good to be forced to sell and hopefully move into the top 7 or so for the lottery.
25 wins is unlikely. Has us finishing the year like 2-25. Unless we trade literally everyone (Kanter, KOQ, Lee, Jack, Beasley, etc..) this team will still win closer to 8-10 games id guess.
Italianju - you are right if Hornacek continues with the vets, they will 8-10 more games. I agree with NYGiants, Perry/Mills needs to go to Hornacek and say play the young guys, especially in crunch time minutes, if he declines, fire him and let Kurt Rambis coach. If Rambis coaches, we are assured losing every game.
Biyombo has same contract..
Orlando doesn't want to resign Payton, he is restricted
Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw
It would have to be something else
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Orlando do that?
Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw
I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.
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Orlando do that?
Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw
I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.
Perry was there when they drafted Payton so it makes sense
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Orlando do that?
Payton is restricted, do not want to resign him, of course it is Berman so take fwiw
I don't even know where to start with this "rumor" from Berman. He's so awful.
Perry was there when they drafted Payton so it makes sense
it makes sense he would have interest. The trade Berman is proposing is just dumb on several levels.
I have heard that OKC and Detroit are hot for Lee.