Frank Isola
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So with two second round picks the goal is to draft someone who the Knicks hope is as good as the former second round pick they just traded, Willy Hernangomez. Got it.
Dont understand why We cannot hire a competent GM. Why are the Knicks basketball fans more knowledgeable than the front office. I am not joking either and I dont mean this arrogantly if they let big blue collectively manage the Knicks where majority vote won on trades and draft picks. The Knicks would be in much better shape.
who can't defend, even if he was getting playing time.
Those second round picks will likely be high and hold value, especially with the way the G League is set up now.
By the time this team is ready to compete, they would have had to pay Willy. It's basically just resetting the clock on a rotational player. second round - ( New Window )
The only way it makes sense is if the entire braintrust was stuck in a remote area of China with no WiFi and still don't know what happened to KP. They literally sapped any value out of Willy the first 3 months of the season, then traded him when they could've used the player or before they rebuilt his value.
Guy makes no money and was all rookie last year. Has he already reached his ceiling?? We just traded him for a 2nd round pick 2 years from now and a 2nd rounder 3 years from now. You cannot justify it.
I honestly dont think Dolan was involved in a trade receiving two second rounders years from now. This minor deal is done by his basketball people who are morons!
Are you really trying to justify this trade????
Keith : 11:55 am : link : reply
Guy makes no money and was all rookie last year. Has he already reached his ceiling?? We just traded him for a 2nd round pick 2 years from now and a 2nd rounder 3 years from now. You cannot justify it.
there is no justification for this trade. None. They took an asset that had developed and traded him for less than market value with a return very unlikely to amount to anything tangible.
How can any posters even rationalize the decision? It is simply put a horrible move.
its the message that he's sending to these guys. James Dolan is the decision maker. Maybe he's not the one calling CHarlotte to see if they want to take this young cost controlled player off our hands, but there is no doubt that the common denominator is Dolan. THis isn't new to Mills. Sh*t like this has been happening for 20 years!
Are you really trying to justify this trade????
Keith : 11:55 am : link : reply
Guy makes no money and was all rookie last year. Has he already reached his ceiling?? We just traded him for a 2nd round pick 2 years from now and a 2nd rounder 3 years from now. You cannot justify it.
there is no justification for this trade. None. They took an asset that had developed and traded him for less than market value with a return very unlikely to amount to anything tangible.
How can any posters even rationalize the decision? It is simply put a horrible move.
Except he wasn't developing. He's a slow, plodding 5 who doesn't play any defense and doesn't offer any position versatility. Plus eventually KP is playing his position full time.
I think it's telling one of the few teams that wanted Willy also has a glut of centers.
It's not even worth discussing. He's gotten 0 minutes this year, how is he supposed to develop? How would you even know if he's developing? Theres a reason you are on an island on this one.
Nothing about it makes any sense With KP down,should have opened up time for Willy Hornacek had a part in this,which is even more stupid since he's worthless as much as Mills & Perry.The Moe,Larry & Curly of the NBA!
but for this slop? Why not just hang onto him? Maybe he averages 15ppg down the stretch of a lost season and you can deal him on draft night for something marginally better. Willy and Noah should be on the low end of the priority list right now, yet it seems the Knicks have placed them at the top.
that's not developing(which isn't necessarily true), why wouldn't you open up minutes by trading Oquinn and see if Willy can boost his value. He makes no money and he's cost controlled. Maybe you can get a late first in the offseason. If not, I'm sure there are plenty of teams willing to take him off our hands for future 2nds.
Except he wasn't developing. He's a slow, plodding 5 who doesn't play any defense and doesn't offer any position versatility.
It is like you are trying to be contrary for the fuck of it.
He's a rare guy in the NBA - a 2nd rounder with potential. For his promise, he was glued to the bench - so any comments on his development isn't based on his play - it is assuming having him on the bench was the right move. Basically, we took a guy who flashed enough to be a first-team Rookie and got a journeyman and two useless picks in return.
even if you don't think he was developing, what he showed last year warranted more in return. Basically, any of us posting here are worth 2 second round picks, That's how useless they tuen out to be. The guy chosen is as likely to go play in Turkey than he is to see the floor as a Knick.
Now you see why Charlotte wanted to engage the Knicks
Willy could not get off the bench on a crap team and had demanded a trade. Two number two picks is a very good return
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
The Knicks traded their own 2019 2nd round pick for Scott Perry. Would you rather that pick or the 2 picks from Hornets in 2020/2021?
Not to mention they Knicks already traded 2020 and 2021 picks to draft Willy originally. This is essentially a dump/ neutral move. There was no reason to make this trade.
Willy could not get off the bench on a crap team and had demanded a trade. Two number two picks is a very good return
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
The Knicks traded their own 2019 2nd round pick for Scott Perry. Would you rather that pick or the 2 picks from Hornets in 2020/2021?
Not to mention they Knicks already traded 2020 and 2021 picks to draft Willy originally. This is essentially a dump/ neutral move. There was no reason to make this trade.
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So with two second round picks the goal is to draft someone who the Knicks hope is as good as the former second round pick they just traded, Willy Hernangomez. Got it.
Ultimately, they should have fired Hornacek and kept Willy. The deal makes no sense.
Those second round picks will likely be high and hold value, especially with the way the G League is set up now.
By the time this team is ready to compete, they would have had to pay Willy. It's basically just resetting the clock on a rotational player.
second round - ( New Window )
The only way it makes sense is if the entire braintrust was stuck in a remote area of China with no WiFi and still don't know what happened to KP. They literally sapped any value out of Willy the first 3 months of the season, then traded him when they could've used the player or before they rebuilt his value.
No, its not. It's James Dolan. Moves this mind boggling has been going on since Isiah was the GM. This isn't new to Mills.
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Mills. Fucking sucks
No, its not. It's James Dolan. Moves this mind boggling has been going on since Isiah was the GM. This isn't new to Mills.
Dolan sucks but I really doubt he had any involvement in this trade
Keith : 11:55 am : link : reply
Guy makes no money and was all rookie last year. Has he already reached his ceiling?? We just traded him for a 2nd round pick 2 years from now and a 2nd rounder 3 years from now. You cannot justify it.
there is no justification for this trade. None. They took an asset that had developed and traded him for less than market value with a return very unlikely to amount to anything tangible.
How can any posters even rationalize the decision? It is simply put a horrible move.
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Are you really trying to justify this trade????
Keith : 11:55 am : link : reply
Guy makes no money and was all rookie last year. Has he already reached his ceiling?? We just traded him for a 2nd round pick 2 years from now and a 2nd rounder 3 years from now. You cannot justify it.
there is no justification for this trade. None. They took an asset that had developed and traded him for less than market value with a return very unlikely to amount to anything tangible.
How can any posters even rationalize the decision? It is simply put a horrible move.
Except he wasn't developing. He's a slow, plodding 5 who doesn't play any defense and doesn't offer any position versatility. Plus eventually KP is playing his position full time.
I think it's telling one of the few teams that wanted Willy also has a glut of centers.
Dan, the picks are Charlotte's 2020 and 2021 second rounders. Not that it makes it any better, but still
Ron Baker
Bahahaaa 😂
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
It is like you are trying to be contrary for the fuck of it.
He's a rare guy in the NBA - a 2nd rounder with potential. For his promise, he was glued to the bench - so any comments on his development isn't based on his play - it is assuming having him on the bench was the right move. Basically, we took a guy who flashed enough to be a first-team Rookie and got a journeyman and two useless picks in return.
even if you don't think he was developing, what he showed last year warranted more in return. Basically, any of us posting here are worth 2 second round picks, That's how useless they tuen out to be. The guy chosen is as likely to go play in Turkey than he is to see the floor as a Knick.
They thought they could get Frank Ntilikina for Cody Zeller and an Adam Morrison Jersey
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
lol, i don't even know where to start with this one.
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
That may be true. But you don't trade him then. Develop him and get Z better return later. He has that potential.
I hope so. You if you have any hope of trading him, he has to play.
Hes a Big who doesnt stretch the floor or play defense. We got a decent return. I dont love it, but I dont hate it. Seems fair.
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
The Knicks traded their own 2019 2nd round pick for Scott Perry. Would you rather that pick or the 2 picks from Hornets in 2020/2021?
Not to mention they Knicks already traded 2020 and 2021 picks to draft Willy originally. This is essentially a dump/ neutral move. There was no reason to make this trade.
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Willy could not get off the bench on a crap team and had demanded a trade. Two number two picks is a very good return
Some people vastly overrate young players and then get disappointed when the return matches market value rather than their overinflated value
The Knicks traded their own 2019 2nd round pick for Scott Perry. Would you rather that pick or the 2 picks from Hornets in 2020/2021?
Not to mention they Knicks already traded 2020 and 2021 picks to draft Willy originally. This is essentially a dump/ neutral move. There was no reason to make this trade.
L.O.Freaking L. Persepective right there.
There are some posters that literally have such fucked up takes that they are always on the opposite side of logic.