I would love it if Eli was able to lead us to as many Super Bowls as Brady has. You gotta be in it to win it. If you’re not, you don’t have a shot. I’d rather have the shot and lose than no chance at all.
Was I upset when we lost to Baltimore? Absolutely. But 29 other teams didn’t even have a chance to be Super Bowl champions and of you think they weren’t all jealous, even after we got our asses kicked, you’re crazy.
By the comments it appears that going and losing is fine if you go multiple times. I get the logic. Just don’t agree
I think people understand that making it is a successful season. Only one team gets to be truly happy. What is better in your opinion? 3-13? One and done? Losing in the conference championships? Give me the two weeks of excitement and the promise going into the next year over this trainwreck of a season.
ok with it? You said would you rather be 4 - 0 or 5 - 3.
It's not even remotely close. I'd rather have 5 SB wins than 4. Period. It's a simple math equation.
If those 5 wins means you go 8 times and lose 3 it's still better than having 4 SB wins.
your post had nothing to do with being 0 - 4 like Kelly.
While I don't take consolation or moral victories in losing a SB I agree with the other poster in relative terms I'll take it over going 3 - 13, but it's irrelevant this discussion for me comes down to 5 > 4. And it ends there.
While losing sucks, I agree with others who would look forward to the chance at losing.
So while it isn't as wide a gap (for me) as 5 > 4; 2 - 2 > 2 - 0. Plus it means you enjoyed a January of playoff wins (2 or 3 in the year you lost the SB) and is usually a sign your team is competitive and fun to watch.
So if you think of it in terms of would you prefer 3 - 13 vs a SB loss, I think if you say 3 - 13 you're a psychopath. No offense.
The whole point of the NFL season is to win the super bowl. To do that, you have to get there. Someone is going to lose. Just get there and you have a chance. If you don’t, you can’t reach your goal.
that I don’t understand. He’d take Montana’s career over Brady (which is fine) but his reasoning is that Montana never lost a Super Bowl and Brady has lost 2 (now 3).
I never got this. Is losing in the Super Bowl worse than losing in the playoffs? Wouldn’t you rather get into the Super Bowl and lose than lose in the second round of the playoffs? I don’t get the logic there. Never losing in the Super Bowl is a badge of honor, yes, but a season where you lead your team to the big game and lose is better than losing prior to that or not making the playoffs.
I think a better question would have been to compare the 49ers Â
and Giants in NFC championship games. I do my best not to remember the 2000 Super Bowl against the Ravens. I figure the Giants are 9-1 in big games (NFC championship and Super Bowls) and that is pretty good. Finishing second sucks big time, would rather take 4-0 than 5-3. Losing 3 times is a big price to pay for one more win. Now if you asked no Super Bowls or 1-3, I would take 1-3. I guess its all perspective which can change.
Because his teams were mostly lights out in the Super Bowl and they blew the doors off of teams whereas the Patriots have never won a Super Bowl by more than one score, that I could get on board with.
Losing Super Bowls is heart breaking and even if you win 5 it doesn't get much easier to lose and doing so 3 times is brutal. That said 5 years after the 8 I'd look more fondly at the 8 Super Bowls even if 3 were losses since it's such an accomplishment to get to the Super Bowls. So I guess my answer is it depends from perspective you're looking at it.
By the comments it appears that going and losing is fine if you go multiple times. I get the logic. Just don’t agree
Are you talking about in the sense that losing makes you a loser or in the sense that losing hurts? Because it sounds like the first one. And if it is the first that's a bit of a ridiculous argument because if you're 4-0 that means you had 4 other seasons where you lost BEFORE the Super Bowl.
But, this is obviously a flawed argument, since the original poster , who is supposed to be a Giants fan, doesnt seem to know the Giants lost a SB in the mix.
Not Giants... of course I know we’re 4-1... hence my opinion of rather not making it. Losing the Super Bowl is the same as finishing 8-8 or 10-6 and not making the playoffs. what’s the prize for second place? Also not in the sense that your team is a loser... based on those loses hurt and are magnified.... pats fans even winning 5 have scars of the three losses especially 18-1!!!! If I were a pats fan I would’ve rather lost in the playoffs that year than to make it undefeated and lose in the SB! They are still salty over that!
but a former co-worker from years ago/Patriots fan posted on Facebook last week how he enjoys the yearly whining from fans of the other 31 teams while his Pats celebrate yet another championship. I responded that I couldn't speak for the other 30 teams, but as far as the Giants are concerned, this is still a Nicks & Cruz game; make them go to Manningham.
Then I posted the "We're only going to score 17 points/ha ha, ok!" meme.
I live in NE....half my family is NYG and the other NE... after we kicked their ass twice Pats fans still have the audacity to talk junk. They always bring up Brady’s stats etc... I always tell them the only stat of Brady’s I care about is 0-2 vs Eli in the SB. Shuts them up everytime
painful to me than losing the SB that one time. So, my vote is definitely that I'd rather not make it to the SB then make it and lose. However, I get that when you make it - you don't know the outcome ahead of time so making it is a necessary step. But...if you knew ahead of time that they were going to lose, I'd rather not make it.
A post a few days ago asked about worst sports year and I would immediately point to any year my favorite team lost the SB, NBA Finals, or Cup Finals - without question those years are the toughest. To get that close and lose stays with you for a while.
Every additional week your team is alive in the playoffs is a positive. I don’t get the premise you’d want your team eliminated earlier to save you as a fan heartache from a loss in the big game.
Hell do I wish the Mets won the WS in 2006? Of course but it’s not like I wish they missed the playoffs or the NLDS just to save the heartache from how they went out...
Title game appearances, 15 division titles in 18 yrs,10 wins or more in 16 of 17 seasons, 12 of which had 12 or more wins (including the last 8 in a row) anyday. We had 2 SBs and 8 yrs of excellence under Parcells in between 17 years of shit from '64-'81 and another 8 yrs of shit from '91-'99. A lucky run in 2000 to the SB all Fassel had. Sure the 2 SBs were great under TC, but from 2009-2017 they made the playoffs just TWICE and had 4 losing records.
Was I upset when we lost to Baltimore? Absolutely. But 29 other teams didn’t even have a chance to be Super Bowl champions and of you think they weren’t all jealous, even after we got our asses kicked, you’re crazy.
That doesn't fit your equations in the least.
Then talk.
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0-4?
Seems like the consensus is that appearances hold more weight than winning?
That doesn't fit your equations in the least.
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0-4?
Seems like the consensus is that appearances hold more weight than winning?
That doesn't fit your equations in the least.
Who said that appearances hold more weight than winning?
The logic is that 5 is better than 4.
I think people understand that making it is a successful season. Only one team gets to be truly happy. What is better in your opinion? 3-13? One and done? Losing in the conference championships? Give me the two weeks of excitement and the promise going into the next year over this trainwreck of a season.
ok with it? You said would you rather be 4 - 0 or 5 - 3.
It's not even remotely close. I'd rather have 5 SB wins than 4. Period. It's a simple math equation.
If those 5 wins means you go 8 times and lose 3 it's still better than having 4 SB wins.
your post had nothing to do with being 0 - 4 like Kelly.
While I don't take consolation or moral victories in losing a SB I agree with the other poster in relative terms I'll take it over going 3 - 13, but it's irrelevant this discussion for me comes down to 5 > 4. And it ends there.
Yes. I'd rather have 5 SB wins than 4 SB wins.
if they lost them both to the Giants then we can talk.
I'd rather be 6 - 1 in SB's than 5 - 5.
Know why? because 6 > 5.
Yes. As I said earlier...that meant we had a chance. Losing sucks but I’d rather have a chance to be a champion than not.
While losing sucks, I agree with others who would look forward to the chance at losing.
So while it isn't as wide a gap (for me) as 5 > 4; 2 - 2 > 2 - 0. Plus it means you enjoyed a January of playoff wins (2 or 3 in the year you lost the SB) and is usually a sign your team is competitive and fun to watch.
So if you think of it in terms of would you prefer 3 - 13 vs a SB loss, I think if you say 3 - 13 you're a psychopath. No offense.
And I'd rather go and lose than not go. The loss against the Ravens sucked, but getting there was a lot of fun.
Its better to go than not to go.
Your logic seems to state that SF or Montana is better than NE or Brady because they lost earlier. That doesnt make sense.
SF lost earlier. They lost in 85, 86, 87, 90, 91, 92, 93, etc. they were knocked out of the playoffs earlier. Its that simple
Would NE have a better team if they lost to the Jags? Or the Chargers in 07 in the AFC title game? Or the Ravens in 11 AFC title game?
This logic makes no sense.
The Pats & Brady have went further more times than any other team & QB in league history.
I never got this. Is losing in the Super Bowl worse than losing in the playoffs? Wouldn’t you rather get into the Super Bowl and lose than lose in the second round of the playoffs? I don’t get the logic there. Never losing in the Super Bowl is a badge of honor, yes, but a season where you lead your team to the big game and lose is better than losing prior to that or not making the playoffs.
Are you talking about in the sense that losing makes you a loser or in the sense that losing hurts? Because it sounds like the first one. And if it is the first that's a bit of a ridiculous argument because if you're 4-0 that means you had 4 other seasons where you lost BEFORE the Super Bowl.
Eli 2-0 Payton 2-2
Not Giants... of course I know we’re 4-1... hence my opinion of rather not making it. Losing the Super Bowl is the same as finishing 8-8 or 10-6 and not making the playoffs. what’s the prize for second place? Also not in the sense that your team is a loser... based on those loses hurt and are magnified.... pats fans even winning 5 have scars of the three losses especially 18-1!!!! If I were a pats fan I would’ve rather lost in the playoffs that year than to make it undefeated and lose in the SB! They are still salty over that!
Then I posted the "We're only going to score 17 points/ha ha, ok!" meme.
The Pats played in 10 Super Bowls. So they are 5-5 in Super Bowls. People forget the Pats played in the Super Bowl in the mid 80's and mid 90's.
Most Pats fans don’t know the NFL existed before 2001.
A post a few days ago asked about worst sports year and I would immediately point to any year my favorite team lost the SB, NBA Finals, or Cup Finals - without question those years are the toughest. To get that close and lose stays with you for a while.
Hell do I wish the Mets won the WS in 2006? Of course but it’s not like I wish they missed the playoffs or the NLDS just to save the heartache from how they went out...
Then talk.
WTF are you talking about?