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bluesince56 : 2/7/2018 9:29 pm
at home tonight. This is really a bad team
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at this point  
Dankbeerman : 2/7/2018 9:49 pm : link
its both expected and needed.
Good.  
MetsAreBack : 2/7/2018 9:51 pm : link
i only have two games left, and my 6 year old loves going so i'm fine taking him to one. We'll still have fun. Selling the Caps game won't be easy, but maybe there are some Caps fans in the area that would enjoy an easy win.

And its cute that AV pulled Lundqvist again - 7th time this year. AV is the best.
People still follow these losers?  
Route 9 : 2/7/2018 9:54 pm : link
Something for everyone I guess
mets are back  
DaddyM89 : 2/7/2018 9:57 pm : link
how much you selling caps game for?
Route9  
jtgiants : 2/7/2018 10:00 pm : link
Your A jackass. The rangers are the only team in the league to make the second round of the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. Have also been to 3 eastern conference finals and a cup final in that time. Totally agree not winning a cup isn't good enough but to call them losers shows exactly how little you know
Hey uh dickhead, I was joking  
Route 9 : 2/7/2018 10:07 pm : link
Or well...when you do win one cup out of 900 years of existence you kind of do get the reputation for being a loser.

Maybe YOU'RE the jackass!
6-1  
Route 9 : 2/7/2018 10:07 pm : link
LOL
Lol  
jtgiants : 2/7/2018 10:09 pm : link
Is your utter lack of knowledge. I mean its ok to be uneducated on the subject. Glad to help.
Route9  
jtgiants : 2/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
I agree they didn't get over the hump but nothing in your post comes across as joking. If you were I apologize but this team had a real good 7 year run and I think will be good again next year
RE: People still follow these losers?  
Rob in Rockaway : 2/7/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13826017 Route 9 said:
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Something for everyone I guess


Rangers are a bad team this year and you are a complete dick. Thanks for sorting that out.
route 9 is a Devils fan having some fun with you  
MetsAreBack : 2/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
lighten up. Neither NYR nor NJ is winning the cup this year so whatever.

I'm fine with AV seeing the season through - they would just put Ruff in charge who also sucks and there's no coach out there that's going to get much out of this group anyway. Just make the clean break day after season ends.
RE: mets are back  
MetsAreBack : 2/7/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13826021 DaddyM89 said:
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how much you selling caps game for?


Face value i think. $166 per seat (thanks Dolan). Section 105, row 18, seats 4-5 (between goalline and offensive face-off circle). Its Monday 3/26.

My email is in profile.
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arcarsenal : 2/7/2018 10:18 pm : link
Lose, lose, lose and sell, sell, sell.

It's time to blow this thing up.
RE: .  
NYerInMA : 2/7/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13826040 arcarsenal said:
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Lose, lose, lose and sell, sell, sell.

It's time to blow this thing up.


And fire all the coaches except Allaire too.
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arcarsenal : 2/7/2018 10:24 pm : link
Even our shitty new goon sucks.

This team is completely unwatchable.
They're getting their shit pushed in  
Davisian : 2/7/2018 10:25 pm : link
And deserve the shade.

These hockey threads are fuckin softer than the Rangers.

We need a hashtag. #fallin4dahlin
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MetsAreBack : 2/7/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13826040 arcarsenal said:
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Lose, lose, lose and sell, sell, sell.

It's time to blow this thing up.



I agree with you but let me just reiterate:

Mets. Over by June. Lost 92 games after 2015 WS and 2016 playoffs.

Giants. 3-13, over by early October, coming off playoff season.

Knicks. Another missed playoff season, its been over for a good month, and just lost franchise player for at least 12 months, impacting next year.

Rangers. Season over the day we lost Kreider.

"Sell Sell Sell... Lose Lose Lose" mantra for all 4 fucking teams this year. What. The. Fuck. If I ever have to go through this shit again i'm giving up sports.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 2/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13826049 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13826040 arcarsenal said:


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Lose, lose, lose and sell, sell, sell.

It's time to blow this thing up.




I agree with you but let me just reiterate:

Mets. Over by June. Lost 92 games after 2015 WS and 2016 playoffs.

Giants. 3-13, over by early October, coming off playoff season.

Knicks. Another missed playoff season, its been over for a good month, and just lost franchise player for at least 12 months, impacting next year.

Rangers. Season over the day we lost Kreider.

"Sell Sell Sell... Lose Lose Lose" mantra for all 4 fucking teams this year. What. The. Fuck. If I ever have to go through this shit again i'm giving up sports.


Yep. It's been real shitty for us, bud.

Fucking sucks.
At least I have the Yankees  
NYerInMA : 2/7/2018 10:29 pm : link
but I am expecting them to under perform compared to last year. Just the way these things seem to go these days.
MAB  
TommytheElephant : 2/7/2018 10:38 pm : link
Just to jog your memory...the Eagles won the Super Bowl as well
Nice everyone forgets that I'm a Ranger fan  
Route 9 : 2/7/2018 10:44 pm : link
My reputation here has been saved!
Rooting for the Mets  
Davisian : 2/7/2018 11:32 pm : link
Is pretty much fuck sports central.

I'd figure you'd be used to suck.


Like I said the other day,  
RodneyHamp : 2/8/2018 8:22 am : link
Giants, Rangers, Mets, Knicks....


sports suck right now.
RE: MAB  
MetsAreBack : 2/8/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 13826056 TommytheElephant said:
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Just to jog your memory...the Eagles won the Super Bowl as well


Oh, i am certain based on how this year has gone that the Caps will get their first for their city and Ovi this year (not that I hate Ovi.. it just makes me sick that NYR couldnt give Hank more than 5 Finals games in his career here while the other generational talents around the league get their moment)

I've thought about it and i just dont see how adding Chytil and Andersson (and maybe the top 10 pick can slot into a 3rd line or 2nd pair role too, optimistic - but ok) --- is going to magically make this team a contender next season. I know things have snow-balled this year, but the metrics kind of show this team needs a massive overhaul, not a tweak. At the very least we need a legitimate, franchise player to build around.
How do you know Chytil isn't that franchise player?  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 9:07 am : link
He's put up 8-14-22 in 27 games in Hartford with a lousy supporting cast as an 18 year old who doesn't turn 19 until September. That's pretty damned impressive.
RE: RE: RE: .  
bLiTz 2k : 2/8/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13826050 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13826049 MetsAreBack said:


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In comment 13826040 arcarsenal said:


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Lose, lose, lose and sell, sell, sell.

It's time to blow this thing up.




I agree with you but let me just reiterate:

Mets. Over by June. Lost 92 games after 2015 WS and 2016 playoffs.

Giants. 3-13, over by early October, coming off playoff season.

Knicks. Another missed playoff season, its been over for a good month, and just lost franchise player for at least 12 months, impacting next year.

Rangers. Season over the day we lost Kreider.

"Sell Sell Sell... Lose Lose Lose" mantra for all 4 fucking teams this year. What. The. Fuck. If I ever have to go through this shit again i'm giving up sports.



Yep. It's been real shitty for us, bud.

Fucking sucks.


Same rooting interests as you guys...this feels like the fucking twilight zone.
Andersson  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2018 9:19 am : link
looked better than Chytil at the World Juniors last month. More explosive/skilled offensively.

I think both are future NHL centers.

and I loved when Andersson threw his silver medal in the stands after losing the championship game (though he took some criticism for it).

Chytil's teammate on the Czech team Filip Zadina is who I'd target in this upcoming draft if you lose out on Dahlin.

outside of Laine I can't remember a better consolation prize in the draft and he might not go #2 overall, some people like Tkachuk, some like Svechnikov (who I like a lot too), some like Hughes, Boqvist, etc.

For me it's Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Bouchard as top 5 (I don't like Hughes and Boqvist size for D though the trend is to smaller, more mobile D).

If the Rangers combine say Zadina to Andersson and Chytil and Shestyorkin that's a good young core, that wouldn't require much seasoning to be NHL ready.

Seems like a Hail Mary  
MetsAreBack : 2/8/2018 9:20 am : link
i also dont think we'll be able to re-sign all these vets/RFAs while still staying under the cap (I'm not even sure Gorton wants to), so the two/maybe three young additions most likely wouldn't be 100% additive.

Most important thing is getting rid of AV.

After that, I still dont know about Gorton. He's had some good moments - Ziba trade, making Shattenkirk come to him not chasing -- but some mind-boggling ones too in recent years that make me think he's behind the curve when it comes to player evaluation.
RE: Good.  
Rover : 2/8/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13826010 MetsAreBack said:
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i only have two games left, and my 6 year old loves going so i'm fine taking him to one. We'll still have fun. Selling the Caps game won't be easy, but maybe there are some Caps fans in the area that would enjoy an easy win.

And its cute that AV pulled Lundqvist again - 7th time this year. AV is the best.

How much you selling it for?
Gorton made his reputation  
Kyle in NY : 2/8/2018 10:19 am : link
running the draft for the Bruins in 2006 which set them up for much of the success. He's known as a good draft guy and early returns on this past draft are positive. I think he deserves the chance to execute this rebuild and run this upcoming draft. He took over a tricky situation from Sather, with a team that had already taken their best shots and had very little assets leftover as a result.

He's made more positive moves than negative, I think he just needs to separate himself from AV. That guy is driving this organization into the ground right now and has seemingly destroyed the culture and energy around the team
Smith is so bad right now.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/8/2018 10:30 am : link
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Yes, we've discovered why Detroit fans were glad to be rid of him  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 10:56 am : link
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2018 11:03 am : link
So, what the fuck happened with Brendan Smith?

Did we just completely overrate his postseason play? I thought he was one of our best defensemen in the playoffs last year and it seemed like a no-brainer to retain him at the price.

But good lord, he has been horrendous and now it's very clear why DET had no problem dealing him.

Guy sucks. Terrible.
Smith has talent  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 11:21 am : link
We saw that last year. Hasn't made much use of it for most of his career, though. He turned it on enough to sucker the Rangers into that contract and then returned to suck mode.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/8/2018 11:39 am : link
I think everyone was a little concerned that he played the best hockey of his career with the Rangers, but I never thought he'd be this bad.

And of course, some blame falls to the coaches. Prior to the Shattenkirk injury, they had sufficient talent to be at least an average defense.

It's incredible to me that they give up so many odd man rushes given the puck is in their zone most of the game.
Is there  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2018 11:54 am : link
a Rangers defenseman who hasn't regressed this year?

I wasn't a fan of Smith coming in to the season, but even Skjei and McDonagh look worse and I expected big things from Skjei this year and he's been solidly mediocre.

I think Smith is what he is, but I'd look for other reasons why Skjei and McDonagh haven't done better. Not removing personal accountability, but something changed.

There are only 3 teams in the league who have allowed more SA than the NYR and two of them have less games played and if the Rangers catch them in games they'll likely pass them in SA making them 2nd worst.

That's not all on defense, it starts with forecheck, allowing zone exits, neutral zone play, and all that before the puck is even in your zone and then it's breakout, and zone exits that possibly fail too. Anyway, shots against isn't all on the D, but it sure seems like something has changed with their system.

Last year the Rangers were middle of the pack in SA.

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BrettNYG10 : 2/8/2018 11:59 am : link
Outside of Nash and Fast, the forwards are not really good defensively. Stepan was very good defensively. Zibanejad isn't great.

I agree, Skjei's a big disappointment.
Rangers have called up Pionk  
Phil in LA : 2/8/2018 11:59 am : link
and the beats say Gorton and Sather have a meeting later. So the sell off might be starting soon.
Watching Dallas and NYR go in opposite directions defensively  
Kyle in NY : 2/8/2018 12:04 pm : link
really calls into question the Lindy Ruff hiring. It all goes through AV, but Ruff appears to be completely useless.
Smith put on waivers  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2018 12:05 pm : link
more procedural I believe than anything else, but teams can claim him and I believe assume his contract with no compensation.

Smith on waivers  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2018 12:07 pm : link
may be related to Pionk call up. Could be if Smith clears waivers they send him to Hartford.

waivers and minors are not my strong suit so I really am just guessing here - I see all the players who get waived because I follow some NHL writers on twitter who report on it, and saw Smith's name come up today.
it's time, I agree, blow most of it up  
ColHowPepper : 2/8/2018 12:19 pm : link
starting with Veenoh...(last week's veal chop rendered ground round)

I lost heart in SCP last year and thus have watched only intermittently this: yes, the Rangers were playing good teams, but not Finals teams, and the heart of their attack disappeared for games at a time. Part of it was timing: Buch was not yet seasoned enough, Mika was at times incandescent but with little help, but Miller and Kreider were often invisible for brutally long stretches, they couldn't skate with other forwards, couldn't attack the BL, and were mostly neutral on d. I've said more than I care to on Henrik.

Some games our "attack" consisted of 27 making the perfect outlet straight through center ice to the perfectly timed breaks of Nash, who couldn't finish often enough. Most games our d, as it was then constituted (thanks for letting #4 walk), was enough to hang in.

The injuries have sealed the crypt and management has to be decisive to move forward from this disaster.

Nice to hear pj is high on the two top picks.
If I'm Garth Snow  
Metnut : 2/8/2018 1:32 pm : link
I take a long serious look at claiming Smith. Isles still have a very talented top 6 on offense but are giving up 45 or so shots a game. Smith still has above average shot suppression metrics on a bad Rangers team and was third in CA/60 for Rangers dmen. Would seem to be a gamble worth thinking about (unless the tape is just so bad). He also plays LH and Isles are lacking that at the moment, and after this year as well.
Yes, the tape is that bad  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 1:34 pm : link
You have to watch Smith over a series of games to get a full understanding of just how bad he has been.
RE: If I'm Garth Snow  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13826560 Metnut said:
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I take a long serious look at claiming Smith. Isles still have a very talented top 6 on offense but are giving up 45 or so shots a game. Smith still has above average shot suppression metrics on a bad Rangers team and was third in CA/60 for Rangers dmen. Would seem to be a gamble worth thinking about (unless the tape is just so bad). He also plays LH and Isles are lacking that at the moment, and after this year as well.


I mentioned the Rangers were 4th worst in SA per game, the NYI are far and away last (they give up the most shots per game in the NHL).

Rangers could somewhat get away with it when Hank was playing lights out, but as soon as that stopped the losses piled up). I don't think the Islanders are strong enough in net to survive that kind of nightly onslaught.

Not sure Smith is the answer, but I guess can't make it worse.
RE: Smith on waivers  
MetsAreBack : 2/8/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13826414 pjcas18 said:
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may be related to Pionk call up. Could be if Smith clears waivers they send him to Hartford.

waivers and minors are not my strong suit so I really am just guessing here - I see all the players who get waived because I follow some NHL writers on twitter who report on it, and saw Smith's name come up today.


So Smith will be like Glass in that as long as he's in Hartford, he only counts 50% against our cap? Still, presuming he cant wake the fuck up by next year, that will be almost $6 million in dead cap space next season and that's assuming these geniuses dont also try to buy-out Staal this offseason too which would put the dead money closer to $10 million for 2018-2019... or basically the AAV of a franchise player.

I don't think you get 50%  
Metnut : 2/8/2018 1:44 pm : link
cap relief for AHL players. I think you can just deduct the min salary from the cap hit. So you'd get a little less than $1M in annual relief if he clears waivers and goes to AHL.

This is just my understanding and couldn't figure it out with a quick google, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
It's unfortunately not a 50% cap savings  
jv : 2/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
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Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
Rangers would save pro-rated $1.025m on cap if, as expected, Smith clears and is assigned to AHL.


His cap hit for the Rangers would become about $3.3 Million
Some letter was sent out  
bxgiants4 : 2/8/2018 1:48 pm : link
Basically letting us know that the rangers are sellers
maybe he'd do us a solid like Naslund and just retire  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 1:48 pm : link
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