TSN: Kevin Stefanski will be OC for Vikings or Giants

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hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?

In comment 13826266 superspynyg said:

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hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract?

Not for a promotion.

If there’s one thing the Nfl needs to completely revisit aside from the catch rule it’s the rules around coaching hires.

Priority 1 is to allow coaches to sign a futures contract with a. ew team before the season ends..this is a no brainer.

Priority 2 is to add Coordinator as a promotional tier. It just makes sense and can prevent guys from getting an opportunity unless their current team isn’t a bunch of dicks, and the stars align.

In comment 13826269 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13826266 superspynyg said: Quote: hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract? Not for a promotion.

They can block Stefanski going to Giants. Unlikely they would, but they can.

QB coach to OC is not considered a promotion. DeFillippo was blocked last year from interviewing with the Jets

Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player. Just ask Belichick.

Head Coach

OC/DC or Position coach WITH Asst HC title attached

OC/DC

Position coach

Teams can block lateral moves only, not promotions.

In comment 13826269 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 13826266 superspynyg said: Quote: hire Deflippo as OC and refuse to let Stefanski out of his contract? Not for a promotion.

False - teams only have no right to refuse if it is for a HC job. Teams can block position coaches from being interviewed for coordinator positions. They usually don't, but they can.

Eagles blocked Difilippo last year.

Slipping

will either rise...or it won't

a team that will not allow a position coach to interview for a coordinator job will find it harder to land the best coaches. Up and coming coordinators will steer clear of teams with that reputation knowing that their opportunities will be more limited.

As a team, you can block those position coaches from interviewing, but do that too often and you are cutting your own throat.

In comment 13826283 Brown Recluse said:

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Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player. Just ask Belichick.

if he knows he's the Giants first choice and the Vikings second he might

because of the autonomy the OC will have. Zimmer is a defensive guy. By nature the OC there will have all offensive play calling responsibilities and likely have more say in offensive game plan. This is different for both the Giants and Eagles where the head coach performs a significant part of the OC responsibilities.

That being said, my guess (just a guess)

Defilippo goes to the Vikings for the above stated reasons.

Staley who seems quite popular in Philly with both the coaches and especially the players gets promoted to OC if Frank Reich goes to Indy. (Apparently it is Staley who gives a lot of the pre-game motivational speeches).

Stefanski to the Giants.

How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.

You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status.

Just playing devils advocate...

we weave.

In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:

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How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker?

I think it really hurts guys when they're looking for HC jobs. If you're OC but the HC calls the plays, people think it's the HC's offense not yours so you don't get credit. On top of that it's surely less satisfying work to game plan all week but then watch somebody else call the plays on Sunday.

I am a fan of the design of phillys running game. With Shurmer running his offense I would like the running game to be the focus of the OC as we have seen its an area of ingenuity in modern offenses.

Plus let the eagles lose Reich

Gravity favors Stephanski as the Vikings OC, but their management may not agree, mistake from my perspective but what do I know.

We may be second fiddle but that’s just fine. I am not sure if I’d favor the experienced coordinator who demands a larger role or a younger coach on the rise. Shurmur knows all the stakeholders ... it’ll work out

:-)

The question, to me, is who will the second choice be. I would guess that the chips will have to settle in Detroit and Indy before we really know? I am fine with Staley as the fall back is we secure a really good QB coach/passing game coach. Presuming Stefanski, Reich, and DeFilippo find jobs elsewhere, who does BBI favor as the next OC?

In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:

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How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker? Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor. You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status. Just playing devils advocate...

The play calling variable is probably the only reason he hasn’t taken the Giants job. He’s a young guy, probably wants to wait and see if he can get an OC job with that responsibility before taking one without it, And since Shurmur is calling the plays, and it’s his offense he’s probably in no rush to make the hire. Willing to let it play out

In comment 13826452 Rflairr said:

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In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said: Quote: How important are play calling duties? I would think game planning is a larger responsibility than some give credit for and is it really that much of a deal breaker? Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor. You can argue the Giants (pre FA/Draft) have a more ideal situation to build from with a QB actually under contract, and a higher draft status. Just playing devils advocate... The play calling variable is probably the only reason he hasn’t taken the Giants job. He’s a young guy, probably wants to wait and see if he can get an OC job with that responsibility before taking one without it, And since Shurmur is calling the plays, and it’s his offense he’s probably in no rush to make the hire. Willing to let it play out

Being an OC calling the plays also makes it easier to get a HC job. If you aren't calling the plays as a coordinator you basically need to have a top unit, demonstrated progress of that unit with you as coordinator, and nail your interview. If you call the plays it gives you a little more leeway in any one of those areas

In comment 13826283 Brown Recluse said:

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Except for the obvious fact the Giants are a dream job for any coach or player.

I see things like that said here all of the time. I think that is BS. What makes this place the dream job? I don't think it is unless you grew up a Giants fan.

In comment 13826345 bLiTz 2k said:

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Is his relationship with Shurmur better than Zimmer...if they jive well and he thinks they can be successful together as evidenced last year, that could be the deciding factor.

Agree. I think this decision ultimately comes down to who he wants to work with, Shurmur or Zimmer.

Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.

In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said:

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Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that.

It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.

With the strong possibility that DeFlippo and/Reich go to Indy, and Steph stays in Minny (good choice for him), who do we want to see as our OC?

Is my guess. He has a connection to Shurmer, has paid his dues and is qualified. As has been stated, there is a fit there with Shurmur calling the plays and Duce serving as OC/Run game coordinator. Downside is that we aren't bringing in the QB specialist that they appear to be targeting.

In comment 13826815 AcesUp said:

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In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said: Quote: Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that. It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan.

Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.

This is almost on the comedy level now. Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, he might not want to move his family if possible. Maybe they only want to move the family if it is a head coaching job. Just maybe the family has a little bit to do with it rather then if he is calling the fucking plays. Holy shit!

In comment 13826852 Blue21 said:

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In comment 13826815 AcesUp said: Quote: In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said: Quote: Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that. It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan. Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.

I understand that. I was referring to Plan C.

In comment 13826907 PaulN said:

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This is almost on the comedy level now. Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, he might not want to move his family if possible. Maybe they only want to move the family if it is a head coaching job. Just maybe the family has a little bit to do with it rather then if he is calling the fucking plays. Holy shit!

I get not wanting to move your family, but being a NFL coach seems like a really poor job choice if stability in where you live is a high priority for you.

In comment 13826852 Blue21 said:

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In comment 13826815 AcesUp said: Quote: In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said: Quote: Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that. It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan. Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long.

Steph and DeFillapano... interesting. To borrow from the old joke about Terry Bradshaw, BBI couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.

In comment 13827100 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13826852 Blue21 said: Quote: In comment 13826815 AcesUp said: Quote: In comment 13826692 Mike in Prescott said: Quote: Actually, if Steph preferred Shurmur, this would be a done deal already, right? So it seems to me that Steph prefers the potential Zimmer job. Hence his wait for the Vike's OC search to complete. If he wanted to be here, he would be here already. So we are his Plan B if the source cited is correct. Not sure how I feel about that. It's a no-brainer for him from a career standpoint. Be the OC and playcaller for a defensive minded HC? Or be 2nd in command of the offense for an offensive minded HC? Nevermind the fact that he may have a family that he's hesitant about uprooting every couple of years. No-brainer and you shouldn't take it remotely personal as a Giants fan. Article says Vikings aren't releasing Steph from his contract until DeFillapano interviews with Vikings and they decide to hire him. Sounds like Steph is plan B for them or they unsure until they finish interview process before they determine which one and don't want to lose one of their possible choices. Steph or possibly Defillapano must be choice #1 for Giants if they are willing to wait this long. Steph and DeFillapano... interesting. To borrow from the old joke about Terry Bradshaw, BBI couldn't spell CAT if you spotted them the C and the A.

LOL...I can laugh at myself. I've probably spelled there names wrong every time I've typed them. To be honest I never heard of them until the Giants got Shurmur. I probably got Shurmur wrong too a few times until they hired him. To lazy to keep looking up the correct spelling.
It's the content I worry about more than the spelling.

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