After adjusting the above contracts as if signed at Beckham, Jr.'s current age (25), a linear regression is performed, providing us with the following initial value.
6 years, $93,780,822 at an average of $15,630,137.. Sign me up twice over for that.. I assume he will ask for more..
After adjusting the above contracts as if signed at Beckham, Jr.'s current age (25), a linear regression is performed, providing us with the following initial value.
6 years, $93,780,822 at an average of $15,630,137.. Sign me up twice over for that.. I assume he will ask for more..
This would be a steal.
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that everyone WANTS to be the highest paid player? No one goes into a contract negotiation for their 1st major payday thinking they are going to take a sweet discount, especially not after CTE, etc.
I'm sure Antonio Brown wanted to be the highest paid player in the NFL as well...
He might ask for something similar to Von Miller.... Â
Miller got 6-114 with 70M gtd. I can see him asking for a little more than that. Forget what other WR's are getting, he will prob want to be the highest paid non-QB.
the totals are great, but his gtd amount is pedestrian. I think his agent messed that one up.
I think his age was a big factor. He was 28 when he signed it, Beckham will likely be 25 when he signs his. If you treat contract negotiations like depreciating assets (i'm sure they do to an extent) Brown lost some leverage due to his age.
When you look at the gtd numbers that most superstars are getting, AB's agent did him wrong. 70M, 60M, 55M, AB got 17M gtd. His contract is not a barometer for what Odell will be getting.
Last year they were saying that DE we signed for the vet minimum and then cut was worth $7M/year. I forget that DE's name off the top of my head, but you know who I'm talking about.
When you look at the gtd numbers that most superstars are getting, AB's agent did him wrong. 70M, 60M, 55M, AB got 17M gtd. His contract is not a barometer for what Odell will be getting.
Yeesh, I didn't realize the guaranteed money was so low. Isn't he repped by Rosenhaus? Seems like something a guy like him wouldn't fuck up so badly.
When you look at the gtd numbers that most superstars are getting, AB's agent did him wrong. 70M, 60M, 55M, AB got 17M gtd. His contract is not a barometer for what Odell will be getting.
I agree with this. Davante Adams got $18 million of his $58 million guaranteed.
What if Nicks or Cruz had a contract like that? Try to trade him to Indy for the number 3 and something next year. Tell me the last team to win a Super Bowl with a WR being paid like that on it.
What if Nicks or Cruz had a contract like that? Try to trade him to Indy for the number 3 and something next year. Tell me the last team to win a Super Bowl with a WR being paid like that on it.
That would be foolish. Neither Nicks nor Cruz were anywhere near as good as Beckham is.
What if Nicks or Cruz had a contract like that? Try to trade him to Indy for the number 3 and something next year. Tell me the last team to win a Super Bowl with a WR being paid like that on it.
Can we agree that Atlanta blew the SB last year and it was in their grasp. Can we agree that Julio isn't the reason that they lost? Julio is a top paid WR and they were minutes away from a SB. 2 years before that, Demarious Thomas won the SB as a top paid WR. The Patriots almost won with Moss, but I guess that shouldn't count because they didn't actually win.
I also wouldn't recommend looking at it like this. It's convenient if you are looking for reasons not to pay OBJ, but only 1 team gets to win. How many teams with top WR's get to the SB? Get to the conference championships? It's really unfair to just say how many teams WIN the SB with a high paid WR. Not to mention,
there are plenty. Another issue with this theory is that NE has won so many of the SB's recently and we know how they build their team. Lets take them out of the equation...unless of course your plan is to sign the best qb to ever play with the best coach to every play. Otherwise, lets remove them from the equation. Marvin Harrison and Plaxico Burress were 2 more big time WR's that won a SB in the past 15 years.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
Whatever he signs for, it will be a boatload of money. But...the Giants will be in better shape in 2019 by cutting Eli & JPP for a whooping $29.5M in savings. Pretty sure Abrams will be able to work things out.
there are plenty. Another issue with this theory is that NE has won so many of the SB's recently and we know how they build their team. Lets take them out of the equation...unless of course your plan is to sign the best qb to ever play with the best coach to every play. Otherwise, lets remove them from the equation. Marvin Harrison and Plaxico Burress were 2 more big time WR's that won a SB in the past 15 years.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
Harrison and Plaxico were not bad at all. Odell is going to want much more than what Sportrac says he is worth. I know OBJ is better than Nicks and Cruz. Julio's game is as much about size as burst. OBJ is everything about burst/explosion. One soft tissue injury away from being a JAG. So no I do not believe in tying up a large percentage of cap/guaranteed money into a guy that has gotten injured. No way we should give a contract right now. Franchise him until you can't or trade him now for as much as you can.
Julio had a cap hit 13.9m in 2017....Could live with that considering his game, loses some speed still could be productive. Julio contract - ( New Window )
He's still under contract for another year, after that they should be able to franchise him for $20 mill or less. I'm not sold on OBJ lasting long in this league. We've seen Hicks and Cruz flame out and they weren't head cases. OBJ has been inconsistent and injury prone as well.
Are you talking about Spotrac's "practical gtd"? Because the largest guaranteed deal excluding QBs and Suh is ~$43M. AB's is still ridiculously low, but that's a lot less than the $70M mentioned above for superstars.
the precedent for Beckham getting $20M would be the Von Miller and Suh who both blew away the previous max salaries for their respective positions.
Without the injury, I think Beckham could've come close to that. Now, especially if they reach an extension this offseason, I think you're looking at something closer to $18M per and $40-50M gtd.
there are plenty. Another issue with this theory is that NE has won so many of the SB's recently and we know how they build their team. Lets take them out of the equation...unless of course your plan is to sign the best qb to ever play with the best coach to every play. Otherwise, lets remove them from the equation. Marvin Harrison and Plaxico Burress were 2 more big time WR's that won a SB in the past 15 years.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
Harrison and Plaxico were not bad at all. Odell is going to want much more than what Sportrac says he is worth. I know OBJ is better than Nicks and Cruz. Julio's game is as much about size as burst. OBJ is everything about burst/explosion. One soft tissue injury away from being a JAG. So no I do not believe in tying up a large percentage of cap/guaranteed money into a guy that has gotten injured. No way we should give a contract right now. Franchise him until you can't or trade him now for as much as you can.
Again, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. Harrison wasn't bad at all? Care to investigate that claim and show proof? It's all relative. If you are comparing Harrison to contracts now, then sure. If you are comparing him to other players of that year, you couldn't be more wrong. Harrison was paid big money.
Also, take a look at the top WR's in the game today and most are on competitive teams that are SB contenders. Oh, but it only matters who actually wins, got it.
He's still under contract for another year, after that they should be able to franchise him for $20 mill or less. I'm not sold on OBJ lasting long in this league. We've seen Hicks and Cruz flame out and they weren't head cases. OBJ has been inconsistent and injury prone as well.
We're having this discussion because the Giants, the fanbase, and probably everyone on the planet doesnt agree with your assessment. Sorry if the discussion seems trivial with your expert opinion.
Locking up a player before their contract expires can be a beneficial tactic for the team. Kicking the can down the road means that the (increased) market value will be the precedent for negotiations. If you are sold on the player than you almost always win by doing it a year early.
Julio had a cap hit 13.9m in 2017....Could live with that considering his game, loses some speed still could be productive. Julio contract - ( New Window )
Dude, if you sign OBJ to a 6-100 deal, his first year cap is going to be lower than that probably. You do understand that, right?
6 years, $93,780,822 at an average of $15,630,137.. Sign me up twice over for that.. I assume he will ask for more..
This contract is a steal for the best WR in the game who is 25.
He's not going to be the highest paid player.
No-brainer. NYG will get this done.
I don't think he signs for the proposed deal.
I think he'll get somewhere around 6-100 with an enormous amount in gtd, more than half.
Highest paid WR is $17M, that's the OB benchmark. He's not getting QB money ...
6 years, $93,780,822 at an average of $15,630,137.. Sign me up twice over for that.. I assume he will ask for more..
This would be a steal.
Thats not how it works lol. Teams will put a value on him and he will take the highest offer or retire
No it's not.
I'm sure Antonio Brown wanted to be the highest paid player in the NFL as well...
In a very fantasty (not happening scenerio) our cap $ after this year grows by insane amounts and we are in fantastic shape. OverTheCap says so!
I think his age was a big factor. He was 28 when he signed it, Beckham will likely be 25 when he signs his. If you treat contract negotiations like depreciating assets (i'm sure they do to an extent) Brown lost some leverage due to his age.
Yeesh, I didn't realize the guaranteed money was so low. Isn't he repped by Rosenhaus? Seems like something a guy like him wouldn't fuck up so badly.
I agree with this. Davante Adams got $18 million of his $58 million guaranteed.
He'll get anywhere from 50-65% of his deal guaranteed, most likely. Which I'm fine with.
That would be foolish. Neither Nicks nor Cruz were anywhere near as good as Beckham is.
Can we agree that Atlanta blew the SB last year and it was in their grasp. Can we agree that Julio isn't the reason that they lost? Julio is a top paid WR and they were minutes away from a SB. 2 years before that, Demarious Thomas won the SB as a top paid WR. The Patriots almost won with Moss, but I guess that shouldn't count because they didn't actually win.
I also wouldn't recommend looking at it like this. It's convenient if you are looking for reasons not to pay OBJ, but only 1 team gets to win. How many teams with top WR's get to the SB? Get to the conference championships? It's really unfair to just say how many teams WIN the SB with a high paid WR. Not to mention,
Hopefully OBJ will recognize how much $ he can make in endorsements by playing in NY.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
I don't think he signs for the proposed deal.
Whatever he signs for, it will be a boatload of money. But...the Giants will be in better shape in 2019 by cutting Eli & JPP for a whooping $29.5M in savings. Pretty sure Abrams will be able to work things out.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
Julio contract - ( New Window )
Without the injury, I think Beckham could've come close to that. Now, especially if they reach an extension this offseason, I think you're looking at something closer to $18M per and $40-50M gtd.
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there are plenty. Another issue with this theory is that NE has won so many of the SB's recently and we know how they build their team. Lets take them out of the equation...unless of course your plan is to sign the best qb to ever play with the best coach to every play. Otherwise, lets remove them from the equation. Marvin Harrison and Plaxico Burress were 2 more big time WR's that won a SB in the past 15 years.
Go do your own research and come back to us instead of asking everyone else to prove you wrong. You can't just say something and it's right. It's not. Look at the teams in the SB and it's littered with high profile, high money WR's.
Harrison and Plaxico were not bad at all. Odell is going to want much more than what Sportrac says he is worth. I know OBJ is better than Nicks and Cruz. Julio's game is as much about size as burst. OBJ is everything about burst/explosion. One soft tissue injury away from being a JAG. So no I do not believe in tying up a large percentage of cap/guaranteed money into a guy that has gotten injured. No way we should give a contract right now. Franchise him until you can't or trade him now for as much as you can.
Again, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. Harrison wasn't bad at all? Care to investigate that claim and show proof? It's all relative. If you are comparing Harrison to contracts now, then sure. If you are comparing him to other players of that year, you couldn't be more wrong. Harrison was paid big money.
Also, take a look at the top WR's in the game today and most are on competitive teams that are SB contenders. Oh, but it only matters who actually wins, got it.
We're having this discussion because the Giants, the fanbase, and probably everyone on the planet doesnt agree with your assessment. Sorry if the discussion seems trivial with your expert opinion.
Locking up a player before their contract expires can be a beneficial tactic for the team. Kicking the can down the road means that the (increased) market value will be the precedent for negotiations. If you are sold on the player than you almost always win by doing it a year early.
I.E. WORTH discussing.
Dude, if you sign OBJ to a 6-100 deal, his first year cap is going to be lower than that probably. You do understand that, right?