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Justin Pugh now a Priority to sign

Giants1975 : 2/10/2018 5:48 pm
Rotoworld is link says ESPN is source
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Giants1975 : 2/10/2018 5:55 pm : link
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I wouldn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/10/2018 5:58 pm : link
spend big bucks on an offensive lineman who can't play a full season.
I doubt it  
RobCarpenter : 2/10/2018 6:01 pm : link
DG won’t overpay for someone who can’t stay healthy.
hopefully  
Breeze_94 : 2/10/2018 6:01 pm : link
in the 8mil a year range, anything more than that would be less than ideal.
no thanks  
SHO'NUFF : 2/10/2018 6:04 pm : link
he can sign with Philly
RE: hopefully  
AcesUp : 2/10/2018 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13828684 Breeze_94 said:
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in the 8mil a year range, anything more than that would be less than ideal.


He's getting more than that for sure, closer to 12m/yr than 8m/yr. Outside shot he signs a prove it deal, but why would he do that here vs. signing on a team with a more stable OL? Maybe an incentive laden deal if he gets "x" amount of starts at Tackle, the only scenario I see the Giants getting him for something reasonable that wouldn't represent a huge risk.
If Dave does offer a contract to Pugh,  
Diver_Down : 2/10/2018 6:12 pm : link
hopefully he puts the contract just out of reach of Pugh's stubby arms.
I like  
Giants1975 : 2/10/2018 6:20 pm : link
Pugh think we need to sign him cause we can’t go into free agency with really no one signed can we think it would be pretty hard to get 5 guys that are good to play the line and I think it’s worth a shot .... can’t look at his past injury’s hell we have signed guys that have never been hurt and come here and get hurt so
I like Pugh more than  
section125 : 2/10/2018 6:21 pm : link
most, but I doubt they spend big buck on him.
When these things come out  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2018 6:25 pm : link
you always have to consider the source. Is it coming from his agent?
Ugh,  
AdamBrag : 2/10/2018 6:25 pm : link
this would be bad.
If that report is true  
Reb8thVA : 2/10/2018 6:28 pm : link
It sounds like Flowers stays at LT
I hope not.  
McNally's_Nuts : 2/10/2018 6:34 pm : link
I hope he becomes “a man of refinement” some place else
I hope not.  
McNally's_Nuts : 2/10/2018 6:34 pm : link
I hope he becomes “a man of refinement” some place else
RE: I like  
Diver_Down : 2/10/2018 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13828716 Giants1975 said:
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Pugh think we need to sign him cause we can’t go into free agency with really no one signed can we think it would be pretty hard to get 5 guys that are good to play the line and I think it’s worth a shot .... can’t look at his past injury’s hell we have signed guys that have never been hurt and come here and get hurt so


Can't look at his past injuries? You can't ignore them either. If the Giants are considering signing him just to fill a spot on the OL, then we are already losing.

So if Dave is content in filling a spot, then he should structure it with incentives and game bonuses. No signing bonus - he already stole $8M last year before he pulled up lame with a bitch back. Yearly salary is veteran minimum - he should be fortunate that he has a job and is permitted to wear the Blue. Per Game Bonus of $500K, if he plays in 16 games, then he can earn $8M. $1M bonus if he is named to the Pro-Bowl - no replacement for an alternate of a Pro-Bowler either.

If he doesn't accept, then he can crawl back to Conshy.
Don't know  
bc4life : 2/10/2018 6:54 pm : link
what offers are out there for him - 1st rounder who never got a whiff of pro bpowl, lot of injuries - sometimes FA is humbling
Mediocre at best and never a sure thing to finish a season  
The_Boss : 2/10/2018 7:06 pm : link
I’d rather find his replacement in the draft.
If we do  
old man : 2/10/2018 7:09 pm : link
the contract better be loaded with incentive requirements to get anywhere near what he wants.
And we better have a decent but cheap backup on a showme contract for the 4+ games hes liable to miss.
A position allocated value eaten up for 2 players.
WHAT!  
NYGBlue42 : 2/10/2018 7:18 pm : link
No body posted a T-REX picture.You Guys are slacking.
RE: If that report is true  
Bruner4329 : 2/10/2018 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13828730 Reb8thVA said:
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It sounds like Flowers stays at LT


There is absolutely no way Flowers plays LT. And the same goes for Wheeler. DG is not a stupid man.
RE: WHAT!  
Diver_Down : 2/10/2018 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13828771 NYGBlue42 said:
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No body posted a T-REX picture.You Guys are slacking.


I wouldn't rule  
bc4life : 2/10/2018 7:23 pm : link
Wheeler out
No way  
Joey in VA : 2/10/2018 7:31 pm : link
Too small, too injured, too yappy. He is exactly what's been wrong on this team, too much talk not enough play.
Pure  
AcidTest : 2/10/2018 7:33 pm : link
speculation.
RE: I wouldn't rule  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13828779 bc4life said:
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Wheeler out

I am as big of a Wheeler fan as anybody here but the Giants can't go into next season without a legitimate other option at LT. I am hoping for a draft pick, preferably in rounds 2-4, and an inexpensive veteran like Ty Nsekhe as insurance. Isaiah Wynn in round 2 would be the ideal pick at guard who can also play LT in a pinch plus a guy like Alex Cappa in the 3rd or 4th round. They should move on from Pugh and spend that money elswhere.
LT Wheeler/Cappa/Nsekhe
LG Wynn
C Sullivan/Jones
RG Zach Fulton/Fluker
RT Flowers/Hubbard
That's a decent start IMO
There are very few players available  
est1986 : 2/10/2018 7:43 pm : link
That can play at a high level at LT, LG, RG and RT like Pugh can. He is versatile and he has the ability. Availability is the biggest concern and I bet it will affect the kind of deal he gets.

But anyways lock him up. Bring in Norwell. Draft a guy in the first four rounds and that’s a start to fixing this OL.
RE: There are very few players available  
Diver_Down : 2/10/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13828799 est1986 said:
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That can play at a high level at LT, LG, RG and RT like Pugh can. He is versatile and he has the ability. Availability is the biggest concern and I bet it will affect the kind of deal he gets.

But anyways lock him up. Bring in Norwell. Draft a guy in the first four rounds and that’s a start to fixing this OL.


If he plays at such a "high level", how is it that he's been overlooked from not making the Pro-Bowl? Certainly, he should have mustered consideration as a replacement for an alternate to a pro-bowler in his 5 years. When should the NFL world expect his greatness?
Highly doubt it  
Vanzetti : 2/10/2018 7:54 pm : link
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Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
TheVette : 2/10/2018 8:24 pm : link
..at best. The Giants would be truly stupid to give this guy a deal at all.

Being the best OL guy on a team who has XFL players all over the OL is nothing to brag about. Pugh is grossly overrated, and a low character guy who ca chooses not to play.
RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13828822 TheVette said:
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..at best. The Giants would be truly stupid to give this guy a deal at all.

Being the best OL guy on a team who has XFL players all over the OL is nothing to brag about. Pugh is grossly overrated, and a low character guy who ca chooses not to play.

A rare post without a single fact. Low character? Where did you come up with this nonsense?
If it’s between  
ryanmkeane : 2/10/2018 8:57 pm : link
Pugh and Richburg I would go with Pugh. He’s a good right tackle. Just stay on the damn field.
RE: RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
TheVette : 2/10/2018 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13828825 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13828822 TheVette said:


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..at best. The Giants would be truly stupid to give this guy a deal at all.

Being the best OL guy on a team who has XFL players all over the OL is nothing to brag about. Pugh is grossly overrated, and a low character guy who ca chooses not to play.


A rare post without a single fact. Low character? Where did you come up with this nonsense?


Quit on the the team - a guy goes into contract year, a continues to miss PT year after year. At some point you have to question the guy's ticker, but I know you aren't smart enough to put that together. The only single fact is that you are giving Pugh a pass, because you are too dumb to know any better.
Decent if not great  
TMS : 2/10/2018 9:08 pm : link
and very versatile guy to have in your bag. Leave that decision to DG who is considered to be excellent at OL talent evaluation. DG wants to win as much as any of us here..
RE: RE: RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
adamg : 2/10/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13828837 TheVette said:
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In comment 13828825 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13828822 TheVette said:


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..at best. The Giants would be truly stupid to give this guy a deal at all.

Being the best OL guy on a team who has XFL players all over the OL is nothing to brag about. Pugh is grossly overrated, and a low character guy who ca chooses not to play.


A rare post without a single fact. Low character? Where did you come up with this nonsense?



Quit on the the team - a guy goes into contract year, a continues to miss PT year after year. At some point you have to question the guy's ticker, but I know you aren't smart enough to put that together. The only single fact is that you are giving Pugh a pass, because you are too dumb to know any better.


Try civility. Or just leave the site. You've posted garbage since joining.
Just Stay on the Field  
Samiam : 2/10/2018 9:20 pm : link
Easier said than done. He is more likely to play a full season after he signs a big contract or before he does?
No thanks  
Bill in UT : 2/10/2018 9:31 pm : link
Even if he's healthy he's JAG
RE: RE: RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13828837 TheVette said:
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Quit on the the team - a guy goes into contract year, a continues to miss PT year after year. At some point you have to question the guy's ticker, but I know you aren't smart enough to put that together. The only single fact is that you are giving Pugh a pass, because you are too dumb to know any better.

When did he quit on his team? It is easy to throw accusations around without any proof. I am smart enough to trust facts over ridiculous speculation. Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13828851 adamg said:
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Try civility. Or just leave the site. You've posted garbage since joining.


Clearly a dupe.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Pugh Is Good For 6-8 Game/Year  
adamg : 2/10/2018 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13828863 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13828851 adamg said:


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Try civility. Or just leave the site. You've posted garbage since joining.



Clearly a dupe.


Absolutely.
RE: I like Pugh more than  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/10/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13828719 section125 said:
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most, but I doubt they spend big buck on him.


I think He’s a good to very good guard who is never healthy. I can see how people can disagree on that. But no one sane thinks he can be relied upon for 16. Games. He’s never healthy. No thanks unless the contract is w huge incentives for actual games played
1 year  
spike : 2/10/2018 9:45 pm : link
show me deal
RE: RE: I like Pugh more than  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13828868 LauderdaleMatty said:
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most, but I doubt they spend big buck on him.



I think He’s a good to very good guard who is never healthy. I can see how people can disagree on that. But no one sane thinks he can be relied upon for 16. Games. He’s never healthy. No thanks unless the contract is w huge incentives for actual games played

agreed
I'd rather spend on Norwell  
Rjanyg : 2/10/2018 10:08 pm : link
And Get Fleming from NE. Draft Hernandez in round 2. We may have to let Flowers and Wheeler fight it out for LT for one more year.

Flowers/Wheeler, Norwell, Jones, Hernandez, Fleming is a much better line than we have had here in 5 years.
Over investing in flawed/injury-prone free agents  
IIT : 2/11/2018 6:08 am : link
like Pugh simply because you're desperate at the position is exactly the wrong way to manage a roster.

I'd rather keep panning for gold among undrafted rookies until a free agent that has a shot of earning his contract comes onto market.
RE: I wouldn't  
yatqb : 2/11/2018 7:10 am : link
In comment 13828680 Eric from BBI said:
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spend big bucks on an offensive lineman who can't play a full season.


I agree.
Use an incentive  
Bubba : 2/11/2018 7:23 am : link
based contract like they did with Arrington who could not stay on the field either.
I know someone who knew Pugh and was a former NFLer  
idinkido : 2/11/2018 8:24 am : link
When Pugh was first starting out with the Giants, this person claimed that Pugh was a completely clean player and had not and would not do steroids. This person said based on that, Pugh had a limited future and that most of the NFL players were on steroids. He said that the players are given enough advance notice to clean up to pass the test and those that get caught are the ones too addicted to steroids. Look at the before and after photos of Snee and come to your own conclusions.
Read that article yesterday ....  
Beer Man : 2/11/2018 8:53 am : link
It was nothing more than ESPN expressing an opinion. No mention in it on DG's or PS's opinions. As with many BBIer, I'm a big Justin P. fan, but with his injury history I don't believe the team should give him the big payday or get in a bidding war for his service. As much cap space as the Giants have, there are 20 teams with more, plus they still have to figure out how to extend OBJ and Collins.
It doesn't make any difference  
Doomster : 2/11/2018 9:37 am : link
how versatile you are, if you can't stay on the field.....time to move on from this guy....
I'm going the other way and say we should keep Pugh  
Jimmy Googs : 2/11/2018 9:46 am : link
not disagreeing with the injuries/availability issues this guys has but he is also more talented than most of our lineman.

Also need some level of starting material to show up at OTAs and he would be where I would spend some money...
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