What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then.
The highest graded OL I have right now is...Not Quenton Nelson. It is not Connor Williams (although I am very intrigued by him and his medicals)
My top grade will likely go to a guy I don't see anyone else discussing as the top name....and it is Braden Smith from Auburn.
Top notch high school recruit. Three year starter. No injuries. Has played both guard spots and has seen some action at OT. 1st Team All American. He is 6'6/300 with exceptional foot speed and very repeatable technique. Excellent hands. Very body aware and under control. Lacks some core strength but he pancakes bigger/more powerful DTs in every game tape I watch. In a speed game, I like him more than Nelson.
And yes, I think there is a shot he plays LT in the NFL
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Your thoughts SY
Always looking forward to your posts and write ups this time of the year
Here is some tape on him from You-Tude against Clemson in 2017.
BRaden Smith vs Clemson 2017 - ( New Window )
I trust your grades more.
Do you think he moves up at draft time?
Can Giants steal him at top of 2nd?
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Your thoughts SY
Always looking forward to your posts and write ups this time of the year
For a heavy footed guy, he doesn't do enough damage at the point of attack with his initial punch.
I trust your grades more.
Do you think he moves up at draft time?
Can Giants steal him at top of 2nd?
I think he is going to move up in to the 20-40 range
If he winds up 20-40 ranked, Giants in position with 34 pick
I would advocate a trade up to get him then
The TV guys: Kiper..McShay..Jeremiah..Brooks...X..Y..Z.. have been all over
the lot on all the top 5 names at each position has had NO consensus on any #1 or 1&2 names.
More fellow BBIers have liked him than the above talking heads.
Good size..good feet..good and consistent technique will draw lots of attention at any position...plus...he plays in a very competitive conference that produces lots of NFL level talent.
All things being equal...might he make it to 34?
Lots of teams..even middle to upper echelon ..can use OL help..even the recent SB teams.
Any similarities, Sy?
He kind of reminds me of the T Washington drafted early in the draft and moved to G.
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Wynn or Smith in round 2 I will be thrilled.
Or Price or Hernandez. The draft seems stocked at interior OL that will go right within the range of the Giants 2nd round pick. Especially if teams are reaching for OT prospects.
I doubt Price falls to the 2nd round which is why I didn't include him. I like Hernandez but I would prefer the more athletic, versatile guys like Wynn and Smith.
I don't think Nelson fell. Sy has said in the past that he likes Wynn and Smith just as much if not more than Nelson.
He didn't drop. He is still a top 7 player on my board.
Agreed.
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why did Quentin Nelson fall? He's been consensus top three draft position player all year. It has been Barkley, Chubb and Nelson since before October and now he isn't even a top 3 guard even though he played lights out all year. Cannot understand what happened to drop him like that.
He didn't drop. He is still a top 7 player on my board.
That's a lot of guards in the top 7 players in the draft. Smith, Wynn and Nelson. Interesting. Too bad you can't draft a guard at #2.
The combine can offer valuable draft data, but the 40 is probably the worst data point you can use for an OL.
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!!
-Gets on the ground too much
-Loses balance too often, he'll bend at the waist at times and lean then get thrown to the side
-Not good in space. Misses his guy often at the second level
-Got blown backwards 7 yards and put on his ass against UCF
-Slow picking up blitzes
-Lets rushers get to his body, hand placement/timing needs work
-He'll stop his feet losing power/momentum when he pulls/gets in space.
-Likes to stand around and watch, won't play to the whistle.
He's got the NFL body, very strong hands, and at times he makes it look easy especially on hook blocks (he's like a moving wall) and even angle blocks he does a good job but..... the way he struggles recognizing the blitz is alarming and he's a non factor at the second level. It's also a pet peeve of mine when I don't see lineman finishing consistently. When he pulls he needs a shorter first step and he has tight hips which gets him to open slow, one way to help that is to swing the arm on the opening side almost like he's trying to elbow someone but once he gets moving he works down the line well its just finding his target and then generating movement.
Overall solid prospect. He's good at pass pro with the DL in front of him. I definitely don't see LT, Sy will be alone on that one. He kicked out to RT a few snaps but that's inconclusive. He won't be a fit for every blocking scheme. I think he'll have trouble with speed and picking up blitzes at the next level.. Me and a few other guys used to look for something we called "football vision". Its almost like a 6th sense, you can't really teach it. Smith doesn't have it. (Nelson does)
Only 3 games so take it for what its worth.. I'm sure there's better tape out there. I saw maybe a 3rd round pick. Reminds me of Alex Boone.
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How can you legitimately say you've graded them without a 40 time?
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!!
Lol the 40 doesn't matter much to OL besides the 10 yard split.. But teams who run an outside zone like to pay attention to the shuttles.
More times than not these drills at the combine are what tips the scales when they have prospects equally graded.
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How can you legitimately say you've graded them without a 40 time?
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!!
Lol the 40 doesn't matter much to OL besides the 10 yard split.. But teams who run an outside zone like to pay attention to the shuttles.
More times than not these drills at the combine are what tips the scales when they have prospects equally graded.
I agree with you but my comment was to support how SY does his evaluations and not anybody else.
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In comment 13829289 Giants_West said:
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How can you legitimately say you've graded them without a 40 time?
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!!
Lol the 40 doesn't matter much to OL besides the 10 yard split.. But teams who run an outside zone like to pay attention to the shuttles.
More times than not these drills at the combine are what tips the scales when they have prospects equally graded.
I agree with you but my comment was to support how SY does his evaluations and not anybody else.
And that's a good point, everyone has there own way of evaluating.
For me I try to get as much information as I can.. As the old scout saying goes, "what does he have for breakfast?".
Lol sign me up.
[quote] Wynn, Price, Hernandez and Smith we ought to have some solid OG options available in round 2. Tackle looks trickier. [/quote
Look for a couple of those guys to be gone for sure. NFL or close to NFL ready OL are harder to find more and more. I expect to see a run between 20-40 on a few names of guys we would love to see w that 2nd pick.
[quote] In comment 13829289 Giants_West said:
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How can you legitimately say you've graded them without a 40 time?
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!! [/quote
Someone’s sarcasm meter is off
[quote] In comment 13829289 Giants_West said:
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How can you legitimately say you've graded them without a 40 time?
It's a pretty simple explanation. Did you need read Sy's post?
"What happens between now and the draft won't impact the fine grade too much. Combine measurements and performance are small % of what makes the number. It is still part of the equation but generally speaking, my rankings won't change much between now and then."
Nobody really cares about an OL 40 time!!!!!!!!!! [/quote
Someone’s sarcasm meter is off
Back to back posts with slick "[quote]" skills. Matty taking his posting to another level - it's always amazing to see a master at his craft exceed expectations.