NFT: Knicks Chat: Mudiay looked good!

Prigioni, who played for the Knicks from 2012-15, was lauded for his cerebral game, his playmaking and ferocious on-ball defense during his career. He also played for the Rockets and Clippers, in the Spanish League and Argentina�s national team.

Bringing in Prigioni would be a coup to mentor Ntilikina, Mudiay and Trey Burke, the 25-year-old 2013 lottery pick whom the Knicks signed last month.

Prigioni is in New York this week after being invited by the Nets to spend a week with them. According to a source, he�s learning all phases of Brooklyn�s basketball operation.
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To lose these next 2 games. Tonight should be a given, but with Wall our Wednesday could be a winnable game. We need a loss there to leave for all star break without any positive hope for this team. Then we open against Orlando after all star break, that has to be loss since they are below us. There are 5 players in this draft that I would be very happy to get, we just need to get in the top 5.

Frank and Mudiay looked good together. Frank looked comfortable off the ball and looked a bit more aggressive off the dribble to me. It got him to the line a couple times. I liked it.

Mudiay looked good. Definitely looked comfortable at the point, which I can't say Frank ever really did.

Luke Kornet was awful. It happens, I guess.

Lance Thomas had two wide open kickout three pointers that didn't touch the rim. Fuck that guy.

And I was legitimately pissed when Jack started the game. Thankfully, he hit the bench and stayed there.

don�t see us winning that one.

Mills signed Hardaway right before Perry took over. I would be so psyched for the future if Hardaway wasn�t hogging up 2019 cap space. We could have been going into 2019 free agency with Zinger, Frankie, 2018 top 10 pick, 2019 likely top 5 pick considering Zinger will be out for at least half the season. Noah expiring in 2019 doesn�t bother me as much. Hopefully Lee will be tradable for an expiring in the summer or next year. Did someone say Lance last year is non guaranteed because I don�t see that anywhere?

is the epitome of "nothing special".

and Frank looked together. Would love to see that for 25-30 minutes a game the rest of the way. I know its just one game, but i was impressed with Mudiay. Really want to see what he can do with consistent minutes. Jack only played 8 minutes yesterday, hopefully that is the norm moving forward.

I would like to see:

Mudiay/burke
Frank/Dotson
Hardaway/lee
Beasley/hicks
Kanter /kornet

If I never see jack and thomas play another minute in a Knicks uniform I will be very happy

At the beginning of the year he was attacking more getting more assists and getting to the rim...

Since he has been back he has just settled, yesterday he started attacking and looked better...

Stop just hoisting 3s

the Dubs?

He's having a bad stretch of games.

He should keep shooting, IMO.

Still some info about his injury and recovery to be learned when they get into his knee. Hopefully no meniscus damage or damage to other ligaments. ACL�s are just blips in the radar these days, it�s crazy how far we�ve come.

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He's having a bad stretch of games.

He's having a bad stretch of games because he's a massive waste of $71 million. In other words, yes, he IS that bad.

Hardaway at 4 Years $50 mil I could stomach by the extra $5mil per year is idiotic

not "bad". He's nothing special. He's just "a guy".

He's a mediocre player making a lot of money. That's very bad for the Knicks.

Hardaway was signed by Mills to prove to Dolan that he could sign a FA, a few days after he was named President.

Hardaway can be more than "a guy."

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Hardaway can be more than "a guy."

Not particularly. He's a scorer who adds a little more but he's not anything special. He's inconsistent (always has been) and seems to let shooting impact all other facets. 14.2 PER, career 13.4, last year 15.2. There is no "next level". He's actually been worse this season than the previous 2 by WS/48. He's a solid player. Nothing more.

I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

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In comment 13829612 Heisenberg said: Quote: He's having a bad stretch of games. He's having a bad stretch of games because he's a massive waste of $71 million. In other words, yes, he IS that bad.

I don't even know what this comment means. He's having a bad stretch, because he's being paid too much? Your hatred for Hardaway has you losing sense.

Lose lose lose

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I don't even know what this comment means. He's having a bad stretch, because he's being paid too much? Your hatred for Hardaway has you losing sense.

He's the same guy who said Burke wouldn't be an upgrade on Jarrett fkin Jack. His hatred for Michigan is making his posts sound like the ramblings of a mad man.

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I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

This is 100% what happened.

Look at what Lou Williams just signed for ( 3/24 mill) for a player that is a better version of Hardaway but 31 years old.

I don't think hes a bad player and definitely flashes, but there was no reason for the Knicks to sign him to that type of deal. As someone said 3 for 50 would have been fine, but paying him 18 mill in that 4th year is a killer.

when he drops a couple of 40-point games in April to cost us draft positioning.

Jack, Lee, Ntilikina, Baker and Dotson was enough to cover the guard spots on a tanking team, but once again we had to spend in free agency to ensure 30 wins instead of 25. I have nothing against Timmy, but the timing for this deal just wasn't right. It reeks of Mills trying to score points with Jimmy Dolan.

He will get it back. It's all technique.

Take out November and he is shooting 37 percent from 3...

Yesterday playing with another point and knowing he was going to get the minutes he played the most aggressive I think I have seen him all year...

Frank and mudiay could be a nice little pairing and we should see it for at least a season and a half because next year should be all young guys

I think he could be really good as the sixth man. Considering we're banking on landing another 2 lotto picks, how bad of resource allocation is that? Especially if we keep trading assets for young players like Burke and Mudiay (ideally at other spots than PG too), hopefully one of which turns into a starter?

cost the Knicks the first pick a few years back and I can see him doing it again.

However, even if the Knicks end up in the top 5, they still have to make the right choice as there is a lot of talent, but not a clear number #1.

I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts?

My thoughts on him are as follows:

-unique size and uses it well when passing
-as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations)
-jumper has improved to the point of being average
-size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess
-excellent handle and willing/talented passer

One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot

He has the upside of a superstar. Unimited range, great handle, great vision. He's still very young and can still grow into his body. I think we will have to either:

A. Get around pick 5-7 for that to even be possible(he can also end up going top 3, a lot to be decided)

B. Get lucky and win the lottery, which will never happen because good things don't happen to knicks fans.

In comment 13829807 Pep22 said:

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I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts? My thoughts on him are as follows: -unique size and uses it well when passing -as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations) -jumper has improved to the point of being average -size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess -excellent handle and willing/talented passer One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot

He actually can hit pull up jumpers out of a pick and roll. That was refreshing.

With him hitting some twos and Frankie hitting some threes, you get reminded of how awful Jack is at shooting.

Obviously not great at creating his own shot, but he gets to the rim now and then. I think he's a better shooter than he's shown - chalk it up to being a rookie, new league, lacking confidence, etc., but I think that part of his game will really come around next season.

Mediocre athlete, small, plays no D. Honestly, the guy he reminds me of the most is D'Angelo Russell.

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In comment 13829807 Pep22 said: Quote: I missed the game. What impressed you guys w/ EM, I'd like to hear your thoughts? My thoughts on him are as follows: -unique size and uses it well when passing -as pointed out by Jared Jeffries, a meek and finisher (b/c of mindset not physical limitations) -jumper has improved to the point of being average -size should result in greater rebounding and defensive prowess -excellent handle and willing/talented passer One comment on Frank: at no point did I ever thing he was a bad shooter (form wise), I just think his confidence wavers a bit and his limited "handle" prevents him from getting time/room to shoot He actually can hit pull up jumpers out of a pick and roll. That was refreshing. With him hitting some twos and Frankie hitting some threes, you get reminded of how awful Jack is at shooting.

Looked like a far more natural PG than Frank. Better penetrator. His play around the basket is weird. Had one really great finish but he's kind of awkward there. He's not slight of build but plays that way a little bit. He's a bigger threat on the pick and roll than Frank because he's quicker and more of a threat to go to the hoop. Got to the hoop for a dunk which was pretty great.

Looked good with Frank on the floor at the same time. They looked pretty complimentary, which was nice to see.

He is tiny, turns the ball over a ton...i think he is going to struggle in the nba...

Miles bridges is my guy unless Knicks get lucky and move up..

Trae Young - Curry comparisons are illogical as Curry is bigger

Marvin Bagley - Have not seen enough yet, but some people I respect fear he is a Marvin Williams type pro

Michael Porter Jr - Workouts are going to be key

Ayton - Interesting center prospect from the Joel Embiid comparisons, could be safest prospect, but does he fit in today's NBA

Muhammed Bamba - I have not seen him play

Luke Donavic - really impressed me in the Euro-cup, has a great motor, but what is his position in the NBA. A good, but not great shooter.

Again, a lot of question marks, although the Knicks have drafted ok in recent memory, even if they tank enough, they really will need to hit it.

and that he's been using it with Frank.

Would be fun if this worked out and both guys developed into good NBA players.

was not bigger at that age. They are actually about the same size. I understand Youngs "faults", but his style looks very similar to Curry. Can and will shoot from anywhere. Has the ball in his hands on almost every play the whole game(no surprise his TO's are high, but so are his points and assists). I think he's gonna be a player if he fills out a bit.

Curry is taller, he is 6'3 or 6'4.

Trae Young is barely 6'0, that is a difference in the NBA.

is 6'11 and can do everything on the court. He's a stud.

And I know Young is listed at 6'2, but I call BS on that.

I have read that NBA scouts have some concerns about his athleticism at the pro level. Hence, the Marvin Williams/Tim Thomas comps.

He's grown a bit. Trae Young is listed at 6'2, 185. I think they are about the same size from when Curry was 19. Young still has time to grow.

On the eye test, Young looks about 6'0 to me while Curry is a true 6"3. Young could still grow though.

take a look at Curry from his freshman year. I think Young looks bigger and more filled out than even Curry did. Curry was TINY.

I like the idea of the Knicks taking a high risk high reward guy. Young has some of the tools to be a superstar and PG is so vital in today's NBA. Specifically one that can pass well. Knicks will probably be in the 5-8 range when all is said and done and you kind have to take a shot there. It's not like they have the 1 or 2 pick.

In comment 13829851 Pete44 said:

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I have read that NBA scouts have some concerns about his athleticism at the pro level. Hence, the Marvin Williams/Tim Thomas comps.

Pete-

"Against Texas and potential lottery pick Mo Bamba, Bagley had 34 points, 15 rebounds, three turnovers and just two fouls. He wasn't guarding Bamba throughout, but according to CBS Sports' tracking in the second half, he won more one-on-one battles for rebounds and scored more points on Bamba than vice-versa when the two were matched up.

"His second and third jump are as good as I've seen," one scout said. "

Interesting, if that is the case, he should be the consensus number 1 pick.

His athleticism is ridiculous.

I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

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I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract.

Where did you hear that?

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His athleticism is ridiculous. I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

He can start at the 3 with kp and kanter and then when Knicks want to go small he can play the 4 with kp at the 5...

He is very athletic, can shoot the 3, good distributor, the biggest knock on him is he is a tweener...

Shoots 49 percent, 37 from 3, averaging 18 and 8 and 2 assists

In comment 13829907 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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His athleticism is ridiculous. I'm not as high on Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges as others, especially the latter. Knox is very talented, but he's a 4 IMO. I see some people trying to project him as a 3 and I just don't see that. If he was drafted with the intent to play him at the 4, I would be fine with that. I think Bridges is a tweener. I'm not really interested in him at all.

Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

He can start at the 3 with kp and kanter and then when Knicks want to go small he can play the 4 with kp at the 5...

He is very athletic, can shoot the 3, good distributor, the biggest knock on him is he is a tweener...

Shoots 49 percent, 37 from 3, averaging 18 and 8 and 2 assists

We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

There is a "slight" change to starting lineup tonight

In comment 13829921 steve in ky said:

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In comment 13829711 Pete44 said: Quote: I have heard Dolan liked Hardaway, was upset when Phil traded him, so to clinch the president's job, Mills signed him and made it impossible to match. Now, he will be the next untradeable contract. Where did you hear that?

I heard it in 2 places a writer friend and a person that works for MSG.

In comment 13829926 steve in ky said:

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We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

In comment 13829926 steve in ky said:

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We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now.

At $71m he never looked like a steal, he might have looked it was not as bad of a overprice as originally thought.

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In comment 13829926 steve in ky said: Quote: We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now. Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

Maybe steal was too strong of words but when he was originality playing so well I remember many people feeling it looked more of a bargain than an over pay.


He is a mess right now regardless.

In comment 13829924 nygiants16 said:

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Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener...

I don't think he's athletic enough to guard the 3 or tall enough to be a 4. He's a good athlete with a really long wingspan, but NBA 3's are elite athletes and a 6-7 NBA 4? We can't expect him to be the next Draymond. He certainly could develop into that type of player, but I think the Knicks need more certainty with this lottery pick.

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In comment 13829924 nygiants16 said: Quote: Bridges may be a tweeter but in today's NBA 9 times out of 10 your 4 man is a tweener... I don't think he's athletic enough to guard the 3 or tall enough to be a 4. He's a good athlete with a really long wingspan, but NBA 3's are elite athletes and a 6-7 NBA 4? We can't expect him to be the next Draymond. He certainly could develop into that type of player, but I think the Knicks need more certainty with this lottery pick.

Not athletic enough? Seriously?

And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba

found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated.

Kp would most likely start at the 5 and bridges at the 4

wants KP playing the 5.

In comment 13829937 Keith said:

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In comment 13829926 steve in ky said: Quote: We can only hope that with time maybe any lingering leg pain will heal he will get his shot back. He can't hit anything right now. Yeah, not sure anyone thought he was a steal. He can have value as a player, but IMO, he will never have enough value to live up to that contract. He's ridiculously overpaid.

+10... anyone who thought he was looking like a "steal" likely was responding to the perception it was the worst contract ever. He was only going to be a steal if he broke out in a way that was unlikely to ever happen. When he's scoring he's good/solid and when he's not he's below average that = solid NBA player.

In comment 13829971 DanMetroMan said:

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found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated.

He is a smooth athletic rather than Westbrook athletic of that makes sense?

And remember in Denver the offense runs through jokic, so this was probably the first game in awhile he was running an offense and he got 10 assists and never even practiced with the team

Starting.

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wants KP playing the 5.

He has to play the 5, he is to slow on the perimeter and his best attribute is shot blocking on defense

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Starting.

Betting on Frank or Mudiay?

And a point who can drive would be a good start to the rebuild

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In comment 13829980 Carl in CT said: Quote: Starting. Betting on Frank or Mudiay?

Or they start burke and hornacek keeps Frank and mudiay together

In comment 13829978 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13829971 DanMetroMan said: Quote: found Mudiay to be very impressive but I will say his pure athleticism is/was pretty overstated. He is a smooth athletic rather than Westbrook athletic of that makes sense? And remember in Denver the offense runs through jokic, so this was probably the first game in awhile he was running an offense and he got 10 assists and never even practiced with the team

I agree. More smooth than run-jump, more Clyde than Westbrook and yeah he's not Clyde lol just saying.

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In comment 13829982 adamg said: Quote: In comment 13829980 Carl in CT said: Quote: Starting. Betting on Frank or Mudiay? Or they start burke and hornacek keeps Frank and mudiay together

Yesterday Frank and Mudiay had around 30 minutes a piece. Jack and Burke each had 8 minutes.

Maybe Jack is going to be cut back even more?

should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.

Maybe Mudiay and Frank can be a poor mans version of Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams.

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should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this.

I am surprised the wizards didn't call seeing if they could get jack for a 2nd, they have no one at point right now

has actually played pretty well lately. I think teams like WAS just wanted to see who gets cut. They prolly figured that Jack or a jack level vet will get cut.

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has actually played pretty well lately. I think teams like WAS just wanted to see who gets cut. They prolly figured that Jack or a jack level vet will get cut.

He got hurt didn't he?

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Not athletic enough? Seriously? And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba

Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.

like over the weekend. Plus it was a concussion so he prolly wont be out that long (that said Kris dunn was out weeks with his).

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In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said: Quote: should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this. Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time.

Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.

In comment 13830028 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13830002 adamg said: Quote: In comment 13830001 DanMetroMan said: Quote: should be released to join a playoff team. Mentor? Please. He's done he's job. Howard Eisley and Hornacek can handle this. Why release him now? He might as well ride the bench while teaching up the new guy and helping Frank adjust to getting more playing time. Because the moron coach will likely be tempted to play him if they struggle and the roster spot might be better served cycling in some younger options.

Well, I'd give him the choice. Ride the bench and mentor the kids or we can release you and you can try and catch on somewhere else, perhaps as a bench guy on a playoff team.

I don't see him as a guy that might be poisonous to the locker room, so there's little risk from him.

You're right to worry about Hornacek, though. But, I suspect he's been his given marching orders.

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In comment 13829969 nygiants16 said: Quote: Not athletic enough? Seriously? And not big enough to guard the 4? C'mon he is 6 foot 7 230 pounds I thi nk he can handle himself in today's nba Just because he can jump doesn't mean he can stay in front of a quality NBA 3 when he has to guard them on the perimeter. Look around the NBA... there aren't many teams playing 6-7 4's the majority of the time. You might end up being right and I might be wrong. I'm just not willing to bet a vitally important lottery pick on Miles Bridges doing that.

Doesn't he start at the 3 in college?

athleticism. Men his size who have his kind of hops and quickness are extremely rare.

what is wrong with Knox? He's not even 19, so should improve as he matures. From SI:

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The Knicks� biggest area of need is on the the wing, where they could use a versatile player to complement Kristaps Porzingis and Frank Ntilikina. An upside play makes sense with the timeline of their core, and Knox�s scoring ability, three-point shooting potential and ability to play either forward spot makes him a projectable fit. He�s made noticeable strides over the course of the season, particularly with his on-court approach, and has a lot of room to grow as he develops his ball-handling, works on his body and starts to unlock his versatility.

Last 5 games, he's 10 for 24 from the three--.417

but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.

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but I was watching the Kentucky/Texas A&M game the other night and Knox - along with the rest of his teammates - was getting out-hustled up and down the floor. I was reading up on his scouting reports a bit and "motor" has been a red flag. I'd be a little worried about that, but he's certainly a worthy pick in the 8-10 range. Knox and the Bridges boys, and I wouldn't rule out Sexton either, especially if Frank transitions into more of a 3&D player.

I hate trying to project Kentucky players because calipari has guys play a certain role and that is it...

Look at Kat, nobody knew he had range because he never.showed it in college...

I wonder if Knicks will have any chance of his being there when they pick?

Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley

Nice. I feel like we haven't been seeing enough Lance Thomas. Always nice to get his minutes in early and often.

give Mudiay and Frank Lee to run with than it is about Lance. Who knows?

What has he done to deserve a start?

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That we only see mudiay and Frank together for a short time tonight if at all?

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Who gives a shit?

So first sub is Lee for hardaway...

Frank comes in for jack

2nd quarter mudiay in for Frank and hardaway in for lance...

Calling it now this is how the subs go

Somebody needs to bang this guy on the head.

Again, Perry/Mills need to go to him that his job depends on the development of young players.

We should be seeing very little of Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee, Jarret Jack, Michael Beasley and Kyle O'Quinn.

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Lineup change is Lance Thomas starting for Courtney Lee per Begley

About fucking time! We need Lance to develop. He won't become an all-star by sitting on the damn bench.

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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)

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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)

Is it cause they feel they don't have what it takes "between the ears" to be more successful? I think the same could be said for Mudiay..

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Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too)

They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh

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In comment 13830116 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too) They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh

Still they got "nothing"

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In comment 13830131 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13830116 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Miami gave up on Beasley SO quickly the first time. Sent him to the Wolves for a 2011 and 2014 2nd, 2 years into his career (and he was productive in Miami too) They traded him to make room for LeBron and bosh Still they got "nothing"

I don't think they wanted anything..

And let's be honest spoelstra makes Riley look very good as an exec

Refusing to start the young kids, meanwhile a title contender is starting a rookie in osman...

Unbelievable how moronic this coach is...

Claims changes will come after all star break, make changes now, jack does nothing on the court...

Last night with mudiay and Frank in the game the Knicks outscored the pavers 43 34

For murray..

And hornacek can not bench Jarrett freaking jack or lance Thomas?

It was just the wrong eight minutes.

As for Lance, I give up. He does not belong in an NBA rotation, much less a starting lineup. If we build a playoff team in the next few years, I will refer to the period preceding it as a the "Lance Thomas Years," much the same way Yankee fans have the "Horace Clark Years."

In comment 13830150 bceagle05 said:

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It was just the wrong eight minutes. As for Lance, I give up. He does not belong in an NBA rotation, much less a starting lineup. If we build a playoff team in the next few years, I will refer to the period preceding it as a the "Lance Thomas Years," much the same way Yankee fans have the "Horace Clark Years."

How much you want to bet we don't see mudiay and Frank together tonight?

You know it is funny, I used to hate Jared jefferies but he waa actually a good defender...

What does lance Thomas do to deserve minutes? I honestly would love for hornacek to explain this and don't tell me he is a good defender..

Jared Jeffries was the devil! Just because Lance is terrible, shouldn't make anything Jared Jeffries less brutal to witness. Jeffries was just horrendous to watch.

In comment 13830154 Keith said:

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Jared Jeffries was the devil! Just because Lance is terrible, shouldn't make anything Jared Jeffries less brutal to witness. Jeffries was just horrendous to watch.

He was horrendous offensively but at least he gave you something defensively

adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player.

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In comment 13830163 Keith said:

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adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player.

You know why I hate lance more? Because at least with jefferies he knew he sucked on offense and didn't try to do more...

Lance thinks he is a good offensive player taking wild runners and looking off better shooters for his own shot..

I can't stand when he gets the ball and instead of swinging it he pump fakes and tries to drive..

So if we are tanking, let them start Lance. We will be down be 15 and lose like we need too. As long as the kids get minutes I�m ok.

Frank's the biggest culprit. Might as well just throw it out of bounds - Lance's heel is usually out of bounds anyway when he catches a pass along the sideline.

finishers at the rim I ever saw. He made Charles Smith look like Charles Barkley. He was mostly awful aside from a decent run his second time around with the team during the Linsanity season where he added some value on the defensive end. Which was also I think the only above average season this team has had defensively in like forever.

In comment 13830176 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13830163 Keith said: Quote: adding anything positive. I HATED Jeffries as a player. You know why I hate lance more? Because at least with jefferies he knew he sucked on offense and didn't try to do more... Lance thinks he is a good offensive player taking wild runners and looking off better shooters for his own shot.. I can't stand when he gets the ball and instead of swinging it he pump fakes and tries to drive..

Ok fine, I'll accept this.

I hated Jeffries so much. I have never seen a guy as big as he is NEVER finish around the rim. He was brutal.

He knew his limitations, he only took shots when he absolutely had to..

He always tried to find the open guy or set a pick for a scorer, he was not afraid to be the scrappy player on the court..

Lance Thomas thinks he is a good player, dude switches on everything, horrible rebounder, and if he is open he is taking the shot, he is not looking for the open guy..

Instead of setting a pick for a scorer he will come over and ask for the ball then fake giving it back and drive...

If they gave the fans one vote on who to cut from your favorite team I am pretty sure lance would be a unanimous vote

He just said hardaway shouldn't drive because he is a 2 guard and needs to shoot 3s, I kid you not

because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.

In comment 13830267 bceagle05 said:

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because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.

He is now saying Frank was the wrong pick and has shown zero glimpses of being a good player..can the kid play more than half a season..

Also killing the knicks for having a bad season, asshole what did you think the knicks were going to be this year?

In comment 13830267 bceagle05 said:

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because the organization doesn't think Frank is deserving of playing time. His playing time, of course, is now increasing.

He only reads the daily news, he thinks isola is a good writer

In comment 13830217 nygiants16 said:

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He knew his limitations, he only took shots when he absolutely had to.. He always tried to find the open guy or set a pick for a scorer, he was not afraid to be the scrappy player on the court.. Lance Thomas thinks he is a good player, dude switches on everything, horrible rebounder, and if he is open he is taking the shot, he is not looking for the open guy.. Instead of setting a pick for a scorer he will come over and ask for the ball then fake giving it back and drive... If they gave the fans one vote on who to cut from your favorite team I am pretty sure lance would be a unanimous vote

I admired his ability to hit the side of the backboard on a corner three.

Kanter
O�Quinn
Thomas
Hardaway
Jack

finally decided to inform the coach what he should be doing.

TANK BABY TANK!

In comment 13830360 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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finally decided to inform the coach what he should be doing.

Frank mudiay better play 30 minutes again tonight