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Can Justin Pugh play Left Tackle?

adamg : 2/12/2018 12:21 pm
Curious waht our OL experts think about that idea. He's a hot name now that the ESPN report about us wanting to re-sign him came out. And I see a lot of people penciling him into RT, but if they're really considering moving Flowers to RT, would it make sense to put Pugh in at LT? For one, the left tackle market sucks. Two, Pugh seems like the kind of guy who could be serviceable in any spot you put him. If we can get serviceable at LT that would be an upgrade imv.

We could bring back Pugh and Fluker, add Norwell, and our line would be pretty much set, with depth from JJ and Wheeler. But does Pugh fill in to LT that easily?
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RE: RE: NO  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/12/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13829968 JonC said:
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In comment 13829944 GeorgeAdams33 said:


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Justin f***ing Pugh can NOT play Left Tackle in the NFL


This is a long long way from Syracuse


I think Tom Coughlin and Pat Flaherty knew enough about it so quit wondering.



Yep, I'll go with their knowledge before desperate fans.


Geez. Why? Lol.
RE: My recollection as Pugh was the best LT on the team  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/12/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13830428 PatersonPlank said:
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He was moved to G simply because they drafted Flowers and thought the overall line would be better with both of them out there. Since Pugh is more versatile and experienced, they moved him inside. I think Pugh could definitely handle the LT position.


He was moved to G from RT. Beatty was Still the LT when he was moved
To RT. Beatty was beyond average. Maybe they should have put Pugh there and tried him but Reese re-signed Beatty. Pugh is literally the only OL Reese drafted who fit his draft slot.

Thank God he's gone.
RE: RE: NO  
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13829968 JonC said:
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In comment 13829944 GeorgeAdams33 said:


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Justin f***ing Pugh can NOT play Left Tackle in the NFL


This is a long long way from Syracuse


I think Tom Coughlin and Pat Flaherty knew enough about it so quit wondering.



Yep, I'll go with their knowledge before desperate fans.


You mean the guys that thought Ereck Flowers was the next Tyron Smith, yeah fucking right... If they evaluated OL talent so good why in the hell did they go all in on jags like Geoff Schwartz and David Baas? Yeah I love TC but he did this OL zero justice in his last 3-5 years here in NY. Funny how Reese gets ALL the blame for that part...
Lots of revisionist history here  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/12/2018 8:31 pm : link
So now Pugh was moved because they drafted Flowers? What are you smoking? They pushed Flowers to LT too soon because Beatty got hurt.

You twits can convince yourself of anything to fit your chosen narrative. You badly want to believe that Pugh is a LT. He is not.

Have fun in your fantasy land.
RE: Lots of revisionist history here  
est1986 : 2/12/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13830464 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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So now Pugh was moved because they drafted Flowers? What are you smoking? They pushed Flowers to LT too soon because Beatty got hurt.

You twits can convince yourself of anything to fit your chosen narrative. You badly want to believe that Pugh is a LT. He is not.

Have fun in your fantasy land.


Flowers would have been the RT if Beatty never got hurt... true
BUT Pugh would have played better at LT than Flowers did... fact
Just because TC went with Flowers at LT over Pugh it does not mean Pugh can’t play LT... Giants can make mistakes too and not keeping Flowers at RT and moving Pugh to LT when Beatty went down, IMO was a mistake...

Anyone who wants to argue that “TC knows best” blah blah blah... is dumb and can’t call it like they see it... any average fan with half a brain that has watched would know Pugh would have been a better LT than Flowers and there is no way in hell Flowers could have been any worse at RT than he is at LT... TC made a mistake, period. Almost everyone would have been a better LT than Flowers, ecspecially Pugh, our best linemen.

Now translating TC’s decision to have Flowers play at LT over Pugh into “Pugh can’t play LT” instead of TC made a mistake with our LT that we are still paying for 3 years later sounds like something out of fantasy land
They’re not going to give Pugh LT  
Simms11 : 2/12/2018 9:00 pm : link
money! It’s a position he played like one game standing in for Flowers, IIRC......not happening. Paying as a top Guard or RT, so be it, but not LT. Giants totally mismanaged the Oline and now what do we do with Flowers? Pugh could have been tried last off-season at LT and Flowers at RT, but they chose to keep things as they were and HOPE for improvement.
RE: RE: RE: NO  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/12/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13830462 est1986 said:
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In comment 13829968 JonC said:


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In comment 13829944 GeorgeAdams33 said:


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Justin f***ing Pugh can NOT play Left Tackle in the NFL


This is a long long way from Syracuse


I think Tom Coughlin and Pat Flaherty knew enough about it so quit wondering.



Yep, I'll go with their knowledge before desperate fans.



You mean the guys that thought Ereck Flowers was the next Tyron Smith, yeah fucking right... If they evaluated OL talent so good why in the hell did they go all in on jags like Geoff Schwartz and David Baas? Yeah I love TC but he did this OL zero justice in his last 3-5 years here in NY. Funny how Reese gets ALL the blame for that part...


Caughlin dint pick Flowers or sign Schwartz. Reese did. Cuaglinnplayed who the moron gave him. Nice rant though
Can Justin Pugh play Left Tackle?  
Torrag : 2/12/2018 10:41 pm : link
Justin Pugh's best position is and always has been at RT. The Giants really screwed the pooch on this one.
I guess coughlin had nothing to do with the roster  
est1986 : 2/12/2018 11:51 pm : link
No major input on the draft or F/A... our 2x SB winning coach had nothing to do with us drafting Flowers or Signing Schwartz even though the transcripts after signing both had him heaping praises on both.. some people are no naive... no, now I am being naive... some people are just dumb. Yeah, it was ALL Reese’s fault, TC knew what he was doing with the OL...
A few facts:  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 1:59 am : link
Coughlin made plenty of mistakes in selecting who and when to play Oline. Ex: Around 2013/14 Sean Locklear was doing a good job filling in for Deihl. Deihl comes back from injury and most fans knew Deihl was shot. Tom sends Locklear to the bench and Diehl plays some of the worst RT I've ever seen.

IIRC, when Pugh was picked, he was like the 4th tackle taken. A lot of draftnics laughed at the Giants for taking 2nd round talent.

Pugh played all 4 years of college at LT.

Beatty was solid in pass pro but weak in the run game. Maybe Pugh could be an upgrade? After the '13 draft, Reese responded to challenges that Pugh was a reach by saying he'd seen all of Pugh's plays and did not see a single time that Pugh didn't succeed because of his alleged short arms. Can't bother to look now but I think Pugh performed better than the 3 tackles taken earlier.

The few times Pugh played LT, he did a solid job and was probably better than Flowers.

Those are the facts. Conjecture is if Pugh could have played LT well for an extended period of time.
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IMO, I'd let Pugh walk and pay Norwell more $ than Pugh will get for obvious reasons. We already have a backup LT.

Some of you need to grow up  
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/13/2018 2:08 am : link
and others need to growacet

Both groups need to invest in some new prescription glasses and learn what a head coach does vs. what a GM is supposed to do.
Pugh didnt move to LG because of Flowers  
Matt M. : 2/13/2018 8:03 am : link
It's more like the other way around. Lugh had a terrible season at RT (attributed in part to injury) and was moved inside. His strength was perceived to be the left side because it was his natural side from 4 years at LT at Syracuse and because it is often considered less of a pkwer position. Flowers was drafted to play RT.

This is where there is revisionist history and not just among fans. Before the draft scouts almost inanimously said Flowers was best suited for RT given his raw ability and power, but lack of technique. Aftsr the draft, the Giants scouting reports and public comments said the same thing. I. OTAs and minicamp he was almost exclusively at RT. There wasnt even much talk of a future at LT. Then Beatty got hurt and they moved him there right off the bat. The Giants altered everything they wrote and said about him, now claiming he was draffed to play LT all along. They haven't looked back since...until maybe (yes, maybe) this off season.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 2/13/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 13830425 Matt M. said:
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He was never put in competition for the LT job. He filled in for a few games and played well. Well enough to be considered a long term solution there? I don't know. But, it is disingenuous to say he was given many opportunities and he failed to win the job. One, he wasn't given many opportunities. Two, he didn't fail to win the job. He wasn't competing for the job. He could be a decent LT based on a very small sample. But, he can also be a decent LG, RG, or RT. The problem is he isn't going to be great and he almosgt certainly isn't going to make it through a season. So, there is no way in Hell I would give him anywhere near the money he wants. I don't even want him back at a fraction of what he wants.


All due respect Matt, the man was here five years, every day is an opportunity. He played LT in practice on more than one occasion, as well as in games, and he was not left at LT. These are the facts, not a position of fans wondering why and arguing semantics.


End of story.
At syracuse?  
Heisenberg : 2/13/2018 8:07 am : link
sure.
I just think we need to move on from Pugh ...  
Manny in CA : 2/13/2018 6:24 pm : link

He was a Jerry Reese draft day mistake. He's already failed at tackle, got moved to guard (where he was just OK). To me LT is the A-#1 need

Orlando Brown in the draft is terrific, but he's not a pro LT (I don't think there's anybody in the draft that's good enough to fill the hole, certainly not better than the incumbent - Ereck Flowers).

We need an upgrade, not another "Pugh mistake". The only shot we have is free agent Nate Solder.
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