of Shula. I don't think he installed anything innovative in Charlotte.
May be somewhat moot in that Shurmur runs the offense.
Shula has drawn a lot of praise for being a leader and having control of the Panthers offensive unit, so that may be a strength that will come into play.
"Aside from the magical 151 season that ended in a Super Bowl loss to the Broncos, the Panthers offense never ranked in the top-half of the league in yards and never ranked in the top-10 in points. Seven years a professional, Cam Newton continues to have problems with his footwork and missing receivers high. And about the Panthers planned evolution of Newton into less of a runner."
"Aside from the magical 151 season that ended in a Super Bowl loss to the Broncos, the Panthers offense never ranked in the top-half of the league in yards and never ranked in the top-10 in points. Seven years a professional, Cam Newton continues to have problems with his footwork and missing receivers high. And about the Panthers planned evolution of Newton into less of a runner."
Meh
To be fair they never had many offensive weapons outside of Cam and Olsen.
He did a good job developing Cam. Even David Garrad played well when he wa his QB coach.
There were better options out there but I dont hate this.
and maybe even embarrassed themselves, getting strung along. In hindsight, they should have gotten a commitment or moved on to an available person when the pool was larger.
Carolina connection is interesting with Gettleman here
I wonder if DG suggested they talk to him when (thanks to lousy NFL rules) Minnesota was able to block a current QB coach from becoming an offensive coordinator.
So if you guessed Shurmur with Shula and Bettcher in December, you win.
But this should be Pat Shurmur's O, which he will be responsible for implementing. He did have some success in Jacksonville as the QB coach, so I agree it may be a good thing for Davis Webb'd development and the development of a drafted QB (assuming the team drafts a QB).
...if our offense turns it around and gets back on track, Shula is less likely to get picked off by another team to be its HC, like, for instance, DeFilippo or Stefanski may have been.
Now, a horrible coach can mess up with good players, but do we think Shula is a horrible coach
Spagnulon was great in 07 after that not so good except 15.
Did he alternate between being good then bad, or was he successful with good talent and not so much with bad. Even good coaches don t win with bad talent
Literally sent me a story about the former Arizona OC to be a "sleeper candidate" and then no more than 30 minutes later they send me Shula to be hired.
QB like Cam Newton. How much is play calling, how much is Cam's talent taking over? And then how to judge that and relate it to the world's most immobile QB. I guess, like a prior post said, this is essentially Shurmur's expertise/system.
and maybe even embarrassed themselves, getting strung along. In hindsight, they should have gotten a commitment or moved on to an available person when the pool was larger.
Who would you have liked them to get a commitment from, Bill? DeFilippo while he was still coaching in the playoffs? Or Stefanski while he's still under contract with the Vikings?
The pool was larger at one point, but it was never really larger for the Giants. The candidates the Giants missed out on wound up not being candidates for the Giants, due to circumstance. DeFilippo clearly favored the opportunity to call his own plays under a defensive HC, where the credit would be his (and thus the chance to ascend to HC would be increased). And obviously the Giants miscalculated by assuming that Stefanski would be allowed to interview if he didn't get the Vikings OC job. But in neither case would they have gotten a commitment by acting sooner.
they hired him because if you say Shula and Shurman together fast eventually you will mess up so if they screw up during season writers won't know who to blame.
RE: Keep in mind, The biggest aspect needed out of the OC spot
Think it's a great hire and here is a tweet from a PFF writer.
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@PFF_Smith: Creative offense, Panthers were innovative with how to get playmakers the ball rather than conforming players to an offense. Ran an array of run concepts as well. https://t.co/5iIG3LL8Bu
I like the hire ... Greg Olsen was hurt in 2017 but over the previous 4 years he averaged almost 80 catches and over 1000 yards per ... Eli and Evan are going to love this guy.
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May be somewhat moot in that Shurmur runs the offense.
Shula has drawn a lot of praise for being a leader and having control of the Panthers offensive unit, so that may be a strength that will come into play.
Meh
Meh
To be fair they never had many offensive weapons outside of Cam and Olsen.
He did a good job developing Cam. Even David Garrad played well when he wa his QB coach.
There were better options out there but I dont hate this.
So if you guessed Shurmur with Shula and Bettcher in December, you win.
At least he has a lot of experience. I have no idea if he is any good.
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Shula will also be the QB coach, Im told. Double duty.
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Shula is the QB coach also
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I thought we weren't ever going to fire Reese or hire outside the Giants family???
I view this as Shurmur is HC/OC
Shula as Asst OC/QB's coach.
He has done well at the QB spot
Spagnulon was great in 07 after that not so good except 15.
Did he alternate between being good then bad, or was he successful with good talent and not so much with bad. Even good coaches don t win with bad talent
All-righty then.
Building those two elements in, Shurmur can be able to play his playbook strengths off of involving play action and other concepts.
At first I was kind of down on the news but the more I recall of Shula I am willing to keep an open eye and mind to results.
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But DG knows him well, and Shurmur knows offense, so who am I to judge?
Is DG the guy that fired him in Carolina?
No, he was just fired after this season.
Who would you have liked them to get a commitment from, Bill? DeFilippo while he was still coaching in the playoffs? Or Stefanski while he's still under contract with the Vikings?
The pool was larger at one point, but it was never really larger for the Giants. The candidates the Giants missed out on wound up not being candidates for the Giants, due to circumstance. DeFilippo clearly favored the opportunity to call his own plays under a defensive HC, where the credit would be his (and thus the chance to ascend to HC would be increased). And obviously the Giants miscalculated by assuming that Stefanski would be allowed to interview if he didn't get the Vikings OC job. But in neither case would they have gotten a commitment by acting sooner.
I view this as Shurmur is HC/OC
Shula as Asst OC/QB's coach.
He has done well at the QB spot
I agree. Shula by himself as the OC would concern me, but with Shurmur calling the plays, then I'm ok with it.
Unless someone more knowledgeable than I am knows better. The HC, OC, OLC - wheres the new OL guru we need?
Don't get me wrong. HC and DC look good. But...
On top of a Tibeten mountain or taking a pottery class in an Arizona commune??
Building those two elements in, Shurmur can be able to play his playbook strengths off of involving play action and other concepts.
At first I was kind of down on the news but the more I recall of Shula I am willing to keep an open eye and mind to results.
Agreed.