Look, are the athletes talented? Sure. Are some people interested in watching their talent? Clearly. But imagine if football was like many Olympic sports?
OBJ grabs a catch, makes a spin move, and runs for 60 yards to the end zone...and now we wait for the judges. Carl Banks: The judges are going to love the grace with which he gallops to the end zone here, but the technical score of the spin will be reviewed, he may lose a half-point for being a tad off-balance.
Sports are sports when competitors take the field (or pitch, court, ring, or rink), and prove they are better than you. And they do it by scoring more points or beating you up (in the case of MMA, boxing, and sometimes hockey). There are no judges to analyze IF you did it better. You either WERE better and you win, or you weren't, and you lose, because...scoreboard. And yes, you'd be fair in saying, "Hey man, that's not exactly true...MMA and boxing has judges, duuuude." And while you are technically correct (and don't call me dude), when it goes to the judges, then we just do a do-over. That's why Ali and Frazier fought three times...they just keep fighting each other until one definitively whips the other. 'Haha! NOW WE ALL FINALLY KNOW, I AM THE GREATEST!'
Figure skating...no doubt, the skaters are very talented and athletic. They are graceful, dare I say beautiful and sometimes mesmerizing. However, not really a sport. How is it different than ballet? Or ballroom dancing? Both require athleticism, balance, skill, choreography and sometimes sass. But two of the others are thought of (mostly), as an artistic hobby or entertaining night out. And you need a manual to decipher what the difference is between a triple lutz, salchow, toe loop, flip and axel.
Snowboarding half-pipe? Hey guys, watch me do this McDouble Fakie Corkscrew 720. What? No denying the talent, I certainly can't go up in the air and spin around like that and avoid certain death upon landing, er, splatting. But if you need a panel of judges to validate what you just did? Bah! Not sport, I say. When Giancarlo Stanton hits a 500 ft solo homerun, it's majestic...it's spectacular. When Jose Reyes barely clears the right field fence by the foul pole for a solo homerun, it's a good hit, and no doubt, people will look more in awe of Stanton's shot. But they are both worth 1 run on the scoreboard. As it should be. Stanton doesn't get extra points from the Russian judge.
I particularly find it funny how some sports throw out the high score and low score of the judges. You and you...your opinions don't count this time. Be more middle ground next time in your judging. Seems like not really a good enough reason to discard their judging. What makes their score less valid? Perhaps they are more right than the other judges, and what makes you so qualified to say they aren't?
And that's why judging sucks. Yes, even in boxing and MMA. Nobody likes it when it goes to the judges. We are all disappointed when it happens, and kind of waiting for the guy who we think won to get screwed over. So why would you have a whole sport whose only avenue of declaring victory or defeat is through judges? LAME.
Of course, not all Winter Olympics have judges. There is hockey! And...and...CURLING! YES, CURLING! And then there are the sports where you win by being the fastest. That's cool with me. I'm faster than you, and here, I'm going to prove it.
The only thing I don't get about the timed events is all the different ways to slide down a hill. You have skiing, snowboarding, bobsledding, luge, and skeleton, which sounds like a very unadvisable way to go down a mountain. At any rate, I don't have much issue with them...if you're the fastest luge guy (best lugie?), then you're the fastest. Get 'yer medal, your country is proud of you. But still, watching them all try to get to the bottom of a mountain in different ways, 2-tenths of a second faster than the other guy, isn't great to watch. It's not as bad as watching 3 hours of NASCAR, but in both cases, we just want to see you crash.
But you won the ice dancing competition? Well, that's just like, their opinion, man.
In conclusion, there is a reason they only do this once every 4 years...and not during football season. It's almost like..."Hey guys (in East German accent)...I see your super big champion game is over now, and since you are super bored, perhaps we can interest you in some cold-weather gymnastics on slippery surfaces?" No, no you cannot.
Let's talk about the draft instead...Josh Rosen sucks and is going to be a bust. Just for you, Milton ;) /rant
Not the same.
And yes, there's a difference between an athletic activity and a sport. IMO.
We've already heard about that time you got Eddie Murphy arrested.
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Did they change the catch rule, holding rules, etc?
Not the same.
And yes, there's a difference between an athletic activity and a sport. IMO.
The judging does have an impact on who wins/loses still.
Foul calls in basketball? No impact on the game ever.
Just the best players going mano to mano, with one getting the ball placed at the 1 yard line for a sure TD on a bogus PI call.
Got it.
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Did they change the catch rule, holding rules, etc?
Not the same.
And yes, there's a difference between an athletic activity and a sport. IMO.
The judging does have an impact on who wins/loses still.
Maybe an impact, but you still have to score more points than the other guys.
Foul calls in basketball? No impact on the game ever.
Just the best players going mano to mano, with one getting the ball placed at the 1 yard line for a sure TD on a bogus PI call.
Got it.
I'm for the computers taking over balls and strikes. And we already have replay review! Other sports are taking the human element out of it...and still, W's and L's aren't determined by an observer opinion.
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Did they change the catch rule, holding rules, etc?
Not the same.
And yes, there's a difference between an athletic activity and a sport. IMO.
The judging does have an impact on who wins/loses still.
Maybe an impact, but you still have to score more points than the other guys.
And the judges often play a part in whether or not a team scores points. See the SB, Foles TD, Clement TD, etc. Those are calls that have been interpreted differently by different judges over the course of the year.
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Did they change the catch rule, holding rules, etc?
Not the same.
And yes, there's a difference between an athletic activity and a sport. IMO.
The judging does have an impact on who wins/loses still.
Maybe an impact, but you still have to score more points than the other guys.
And the judges often play a part in whether or not a team scores points. See the SB, Foles TD, Clement TD, etc. Those are calls that have been interpreted differently by different judges over the course of the year.
Yes but they scored the TD. And the other team could've still won had they scored more points.
Games certainly have been determined by refs. and in a tie-in to the olympics, just look at the 1972 US basketball team.
Who says they are better?
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Who says they are better?
More rotations, higher elevation = better
Seems equally foolish to split hairs on the subjective/objective elements of each.
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Refereeing applying the rules of the game to judging, in which the judging and judging only determines the outcome. Seems like a fool's errand to justify equating the two.
Most of the sports have gone to specific scoring requirements for particular elements. The judgement part is only part of the equation. For instance, the moguls skiing. Time plays 20% of the part, aerials is 40% and the skiing itself is 40%, and while there's subjectivity, it is just like refereeing. If a mogulist falls, she's eliminated. A judge can't just say she's the best and award her gold.
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Some of you are trying to equate
allstarjim : 11:38 am : link : reply
Refereeing applying the rules of the game to judging, in which the judging and judging only determines the outcome. Seems like a fool's errand to justify equating the two.
Most of the sports have gone to specific scoring requirements for particular elements. The judgement part is only part of the equation. For instance, the moguls skiing. Time plays 20% of the part, aerials is 40% and the skiing itself is 40%, and while there's subjectivity, it is just like refereeing. If a mogulist falls, she's eliminated. A judge can't just say she's the best and award her gold.
Ok, you got me, I concede Muggles is a sport. Also, everyone knows the 1972 Mens Olympic basketball game wasn't a real game. Because the referees interfered as much as they did, it destroyed the credibility of the game. Thanks for making my point!
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if they did more/better jumps
Who says they are better?
More rotations, higher elevation = better
Can the judges tell us the precise height and exact degrees of rotation that led to their higher scores? Are you also ignoring the very subjective composite score?
I think you just like to be contrarian to an obviously tongue-in-cheek post meant mostly as a slightly amusing diversion from the aftermath of a terrible NFL season and doldrums of the pre-draft NFL year.
But sure, you can call me ignorant...I consider the source.
Next best 8.6 or some shit.
KICKS ASS!!!
Not to mention Red what's his name. Also 17. Also KICKS ASS!
That's actually pretty cool. You're a good dad.
But hey, if you like posting several paragraphs to be tongue-in-cheek and fail to hit the mark on that intention. Cool.
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Ok, you got me, I concede Muggles is a sport
But hey, if you like posting several paragraphs to be tongue-in-cheek and fail to hit the mark on that intention. Cool.
Proof that judging is dumb. Anyway, mission accomplished. Hook, line and sinker.
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Ok, you got me, I concede Muggles is a sport
But hey, if you like posting several paragraphs to be tongue-in-cheek and fail to hit the mark on that intention. Cool.
Proof that judging is dumb. Anyway, mission accomplished. Hook, line and sinker.
Well done. You get the bronze medal from the judges!
hopefully we get treated to another USA Canada medal game. USA hasn't beaten them in the Olympics I don't think, but has I believe swept them the past 3 world cups.
looking forward to the women's hockey as much as the men's.
Did not read it all. Sigh. It's ok.
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Did not read it all. Sigh. It's ok.
Shit.
US beat Canada in both games (qualifying and gold medal game) in Nagano.
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hopefully we get treated to another USA Canada medal game. USA hasn't beaten them in the Olympics I don't think, but has I believe swept them the past 3 world cups.
US beat Canada in both games (qualifying and gold medal game) in Nagano.
Thank you for the update.
Next best 8.6 or some shit.
KICKS ASS!!!
Not to mention Red what's his name. Also 17. Also KICKS ASS!
9.825? Too bad she finished 90 points behind the winner