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For those trashing Josh Rosen part two.....

sxdxca : 2/13/2018 5:13 pm
As we've already exposed Parcells evaluation of a college QB's win/loss record , as a faulty measuring line.

I will now address the fascination on BBI with not drafting Josh Rosen because of his concussion history , as also being faulty.

In 2015 there were 199 concussions in the NFL.

Out of 199 players suffering a concussion , the cornerback position had the highest amount of players reporting a concussion with 41.

Why?

Because players making a tackle suffer the highest amount of concussions in the NFL , with 41%.

On the other hand , the Quarterback position had only 12 players reporting a concussion.

Some of the QBs who suffered a concussion were , Roethlisberger , Bradford , Bridgewater , and Case Keenan.

Teddy Bridgewater suffered a concussion in 2015 , he was cleared to play the next week.

Roethlisberger has had 3 concussions in his career. One in 2006 , 2009 , and 2015. Out of all 3 concussions , he has missed only 1 game.

Sam Bradford , who is injury prone , suffered a concussion in 2015 , he missed 2 games.

Case Keenum suffered a concussion in 2015 , he remained in the game.

As the facts show , all 4 of these QB's suffered a concussion , and none of them missed significant playing time , if any.

To those also trashing Josh Rosen.

Alex Smith in 2012 , while playing for the 49ers , ran a QB sneak , and suffered a concussion. He missed 1 game.

The facts show , it can happen at anytime , even during a QB sneak.

You should be more concerened with CB , WR , TE , S , OT , LB , and RB positions , which report a greater number of players suffering a concussion , than the QB position.

So please stop using Rosen's concussion injury as a reason not to draft him , it's a faulty measuring line that collapses on itself.


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RE: I don’t get it  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13831652 figgy2989 said:
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Anyone who isn’t concerned about the concussions and shoulder is just being naive.


Umm our own DJ Fluker , who everyone here wants to sign to a long term contract , has already had 4 concussions. And no one seems to bat an eye on him.

He plays at Guard , which is 1,000 times more violent than playing QB.

My point is that , if Rosen learns to evade the big hits , he will be fine. Eli is a master of getting rid of the football fast , that's why he's started over 200 games. Rosen can learn to do the same.
Rosen's concussion hx is not a major concern for me.  
Glover : 2/13/2018 8:05 pm : link
And I think people on BBI became more afraid of him when they added his concussion history with his intelligence, and felt he might become the next Chris Borland. That makes sense, but the guy is smart enough, and old enough right now to make the decision as to whether he wants to risk his health playing NFL football. If he thought the risk outweighed the reward, I am sure he would have let it be known by now. Could he change his mind 3 to 4 years from now, yes, but like I said, I think the guy is smart enough and can weigh the information about potential long term brain injury and make his decision about playing in the NFL, and currently, he is committed to being drafted into the league. Chris Borland changed his mind about playing in the NFL very quickly, but I think his is a rare case.

What worries me (I never trashed Rosen) is the fact that we have Eli, who can lead a good team to a Championship (yes, next season, or the next), and should play, so, Is spending the #2 overall pick on a QB who will sit for 2 years the best way to produce a winner in 2018? I see the wisdom of getting a franchise QB, even if you have an aging franchise QB, but I dont think the "they won't be picking that high again for a long time" reasoning is enough to take the QB. Gotta do whats best for now AND the future. A lot of people forget about the NOW part. I'm not.

Im trading down with Buffalo at 22, getting 22 and 23 this year, a second this year, and the Bills 1st and 2nd round picks next year. They can load up on young players and still come out with the best QB in the draft, LAMAR JACKSON.
RE: I dunno, maybe the coach just wanted an excuse to drop her  
GFAN52 : 2/13/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13831658 Bill L said:
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But that’s what the team was told.


I think that's more likely. My daughter's coaching and training staffs were very up to date on all the NCAA concussion guidelines and protocols. And let me tell you many of her teammates suffered concussions in games and practices over her college career.
Yeah, signing DJ Fuller to a cheap vet contract  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 8:07 pm : link
is the same as taking a QB at #2 overall. Genius analysis, wish I thought of that.

Your cure for not getting a concussion is to evade hits, haha. I can’t believe I just read that.
That would be a tough sell to the fanbase  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 8:09 pm : link
"I know you're angry about the whole 14 loss season, but here's a trade down to #22 overall AND Buffalo's first rounder next year."

Fluker  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 8:09 pm : link
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RE: RE: I dunno, maybe the coach just wanted an excuse to drop her  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13831661 GFAN52 said:
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But that’s what the team was told.



I think that's more likely. My daughter's coaching and training staffs were very up to date on all the NCAA concussion guidelines and protocols. And let me tell you many of her teammates suffered concussions in games and practices over her college career.
I did a quick google search and found an article that specifically said that NCAA does *not* have a maximum number allowed. However, apparently some universities do. Maybe it was a school rule for us.
Not many people are talking  
DonnieD89 : 2/13/2018 8:16 pm : link
about who his father is, a neurosurgeon. You better believe he will have an influence on what decisions will be made, if he has his next concussion. He will be weighing heavily. I am in the medical profession and I work as a physician assistant in neurology. I see these people every day. Most of these patients I see don’t even play football and some are in pretty bad shape. If I was his father, I would be very careful how many concussions he acquires during his career. Believe me. He will get yanked out. Any responsible provider in the medical profession would be a huge influence based on a quality of life decision involving a close family member.
RE: RE: RE: I dunno, maybe the coach just wanted an excuse to drop her  
GFAN52 : 2/13/2018 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13831670 Bill L said:
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But that’s what the team was told.



I think that's more likely. My daughter's coaching and training staffs were very up to date on all the NCAA concussion guidelines and protocols. And let me tell you many of her teammates suffered concussions in games and practices over her college career.

I did a quick google search and found an article that specifically said that NCAA does *not* have a maximum number allowed. However, apparently some universities do. Maybe it was a school rule for us.


Perhaps. It would be impossible to put a cap on the number concussions because the specific severity of concussions varies by the individual and event.
RE: Not many people are talking  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13831672 DonnieD89 said:
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about who his father is, a neurosurgeon. You better believe he will have an influence on what decisions will be made, if he has his next concussion. He will be weighing heavily. I am in the medical profession and I work as a physician assistant in neurology. I see these people every day. Most of these patients I see don’t even play football and some are in pretty bad shape. If I was his father, I would be very careful how many concussions he acquires during his career. Believe me. He will get yanked out. Any responsible provider in the medical profession would be a huge influence based on a quality of life decision involving a close family member.


It would be really interesting to see what his father's professional opinion is on current concussion research and theory.
RE: RE: I don’t get it  
figgy2989 : 2/13/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13831659 sxdxca said:
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Anyone who isn’t concerned about the concussions and shoulder is just being naive.



Umm our own DJ Fluker , who everyone here wants to sign to a long term contract , has already had 4 concussions. And no one seems to bat an eye on him.

He plays at Guard , which is 1,000 times more violent than playing QB.

My point is that , if Rosen learns to evade the big hits , he will be fine. Eli is a master of getting rid of the football fast , that's why he's started over 200 games. Rosen can learn to do the same.


Seriously, you are comparing a scrap heap OL with the number 2 overall pick? Keep starting threads on why everyone is wrong here. Your contribution to this site is invaluable.
I’m really looking to part 3 tomorrow  
figgy2989 : 2/13/2018 8:26 pm : link
Where you concoct some bull shit narative where because his last name is Rosen, everyone has our for him...wait...Milton already covered that.
RE: Yeah, signing DJ Fuller to a cheap vet contract  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13831663 UConn4523 said:
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is the same as taking a QB at #2 overall. Genius analysis, wish I thought of that.

Your cure for not getting a concussion is to evade hits, haha. I can’t believe I just read that.


Ummm , yes the way to avoid a serious concussion is to evade hits in the pocket , that's common sense. If you're a QB , you get rid of the ball quickly , so you don't get hit and take sacks. If u can't see that , then I can't help you
RE: RE: Yeah, signing DJ Fuller to a cheap vet contract  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13831681 sxdxca said:
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is the same as taking a QB at #2 overall. Genius analysis, wish I thought of that.

Your cure for not getting a concussion is to evade hits, haha. I can’t believe I just read that.



Ummm , yes the way to avoid a serious concussion is to evade hits in the pocket , that's common sense. If you're a QB , you get rid of the ball quickly , so you don't get hit and take sacks. If u can't see that , then I can't help you


This is getting into Tommer territory. It is beyond comical.
Definitely don’t need your help  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 8:36 pm : link
And our iron man QB takes a lot of big shots, ones that could end Rosen’s career. But as long as he easily learns to evade hits he will be all good.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t get it  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13831679 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 13831652 figgy2989 said:


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Anyone who isn’t concerned about the concussions and shoulder is just being naive.



Umm our own DJ Fluker , who everyone here wants to sign to a long term contract , has already had 4 concussions. And no one seems to bat an eye on him.

He plays at Guard , which is 1,000 times more violent than playing QB.

My point is that , if Rosen learns to evade the big hits , he will be fine. Eli is a master of getting rid of the football fast , that's why he's started over 200 games. Rosen can learn to do the same.



Seriously, you are comparing a scrap heap OL with the number 2 overall pick? Keep starting threads on why everyone is wrong here. Your contribution to this site is invaluable.


The difference between me and you is this , I use facts. In fact here is another one for you...

Aaron Rodgers QB of Green Bay , had 2 concussions in 2010 , one in October and December. That's right 2 concussions , a few months apart , and hasn't had one since. FACT

DJ Fluker has had 4 concussions , and is still playing regularly at one of the most violent positions in the NFL without missing significant time , FACT....


Jesus Christ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 8:38 pm : link
I don't think Part 3 will be about the shoulder, I think it will be the shithead OP and Milton tag teaming on telling us Rosen really never had a concussion at all, but was just held out so the Rosen and Mora families could enjoy a BBQ that weekend without Josh being sore.

Two threads in about the same span of time Rosen had concussions, aimed at "those trashing" a kid that nobody is trashing.

Just some odd, odd shit.
.Because players making a tackle suffer the highest amount of'...  
Torrag : 2/13/2018 8:39 pm : link
...of concussions in the NFL , with 41%.'

Your logic is faulty.The low rate of concussions among QB's makes Rosen's multiple incidents even more alarming.

Why? because it's been proven that soome people are simply more prone to suffering them. And that he is likely among them. And he'll be getting hit more explosively by stronger faster opponents at the nFL. A scenario that doesn't bode well for him avoiding further and perhaps more severe concussions.
RE: No offense but this is ridiculous.  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13831526 robbieballs2003 said:
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There was an important link that a poster posted yesterday which stated if a player doesn't show symptoms in a year then it is kind of like starting from scratch again. That is good news if true especially with sitting behind Eli for a year or two.

But look it up. When you get a concussion you are more susceptible to another. Just because that small sample size didn't have multiple concussions doesn't mean Rosen is free from that concern.


Robbie: If you were referring to my post, we had an orthopedic surgeon posting that if a guy had some concussions but remained concussion free for a year, his chances of suffering another one becomes the same as anyone.

I have no link but the doctor posted a long post about concussions last month.
RE: Whose argument is falling apart?  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13831528 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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You have completetly ignored the fact that Rosen has missed significant time.

Ben only missed one game? Good for Ben, Rosen has missed many more.

Other positions are more likely to get a concussion? Ok, but that's deflection and a meaningless point. What does that gave to do with Rosen? He still got those concussions. How does it change Rosen's injury history.

I hope he stays healthy and has a long career, but the concerns with his health are justified.


Lake George: It's not just the concussions, shoulder & missed games but as Sy pointed out, Rosen has the physique of a high school sophomore. That is a freegin' scary combination.
I read that post  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 8:43 pm : link
I don’t know why a BBIers friend who’s an Ortho is held as some benchmark in concussion discussions (not aiming at you). Concussion research and treatment isn’t his profession and he doesn’t treat patients with these symptoms. It would be no different than posting my friends opinion who is a dentist.
RE: RE: No offense but this is ridiculous.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2018 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13831694 mrvax said:
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There was an important link that a poster posted yesterday which stated if a player doesn't show symptoms in a year then it is kind of like starting from scratch again. That is good news if true especially with sitting behind Eli for a year or two.

But look it up. When you get a concussion you are more susceptible to another. Just because that small sample size didn't have multiple concussions doesn't mean Rosen is free from that concern.



Robbie: If you were referring to my post, we had an orthopedic surgeon posting that if a guy had some concussions but remained concussion free for a year, his chances of suffering another one becomes the same as anyone.

I have no link but the doctor posted a long post about concussions last month.


I probably was referencing that but I am not 100% certain even though it was only 1 day ago.
Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005  
figgy2989 : 2/13/2018 8:46 pm : link
So how exactly does your “facts” of home having 3 concussions in 2010, when he was already established in the NFL have anything to do with taking a QB at number 2, who already has a history of concussions coming into the league. I will wait for your “facts” to counter that point.
RE: I read that post  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13831698 UConn4523 said:
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I don’t know why a BBIers friend who’s an Ortho is held as some benchmark in concussion discussions (not aiming at you). Concussion research and treatment isn’t his profession and he doesn’t treat patients with these symptoms. It would be no different than posting my friends opinion who is a dentist.
i don’t think that’s very fair. The guy had to study this stuff and become proficient to get his degree. Also, depending on his specialty area he could know quite a bit more than the average MD (which is logarithmically more than the rest of us). I had my spine done by an ortho but I could have gone to a neurologist for the same surgery and other treatment. There can be a lot of overlap.
I’m being slightly tongue in cheek  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 8:56 pm : link
but we have no idea what that guys credentials are. He may just work on ACL and ligament repairs for all we know. I’ve also seen a few spine orthos for my back, consulted with a couple for surgery - brain trauma isn’t in their wheelhouse and I wouldn’t go to one if I had a concussion.

It’s a pointless debate though, we are talking about a friend of a friend of a friend here.
It there was one poster (jarvis, maybe?)  
Bill L : 2/13/2018 8:59 pm : link
Who is an ethos who said pretty much the same thing. That’s first person.

I’m still not taking Rosen though. But I think the issue is more than just the physical part.
Just from spending an hour online  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 9:05 pm : link
reading medical studies on concussions, it seems that the brain can fully recover if given enough time to heal.

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While you are healing, you should be very
careful to avoid doing anything that could cause a bump,
blow, or jolt to the head or body. On rare occasions, receiving another concussion before the brain has healed can result in brain swelling, permanent brain damage, and even death, particularly among children and teens.



CDC facts about concussions page 8,9 - ( New Window )
RE: It there was one poster (jarvis, maybe?)  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13831713 Bill L said:
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Who is an ethos who said pretty much the same thing. That’s first person.

I’m still not taking Rosen though. But I think the issue is more than just the physical part.


Thanks, Bill. It was Jarvis. I agree that I would pass on Rosen in the first round. Yes, I know he's the most NFL ready QB, I'm not a hater.
RE: Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13831705 figgy2989 said:
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So how exactly does your “facts” of home having 3 concussions in 2010, when he was already established in the NFL have anything to do with taking a QB at number 2, who already has a history of concussions coming into the league. I will wait for your “facts” to counter that point.


Figgy , you've already attempted to take two shots at me so far , and I've let you slide , no more , here's a FACT for you about Rodgers history in High School and College....

Dr. Mitchel Berger, a member the National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee at the University of California, San Francisco said NFL players , especially RODGERS given his history of concussions in HIGH SCHOOL , COLLEGE and NOW in the NFL , he should consider early retirement .....

FACT , Rodgers has a history of concussions , prior to the NFL , and he suffered two concussions in 2010 ... FACT.

I've just countered you with FACTS , Figgy Its time for you to just go home , one word for you....FAIL









Jay Cutler had 3 concussions while he played at Vanderbilt in college , before being drafted , FACT

Since he's been in the NFL , he has had 4 concussions , 2006 , 2010 , 2012 , 2017 , and hasn't missed significant playing time FACT


RE: RE: Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13831728 sxdxca said:
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So how exactly does your “facts” of home having 3 concussions in 2010, when he was already established in the NFL have anything to do with taking a QB at number 2, who already has a history of concussions coming into the league. I will wait for your “facts” to counter that point.



Figgy , you've already attempted to take two shots at me so far , and I've let you slide , no more , here's a FACT for you about Rodgers history in High School and College....

Dr. Mitchel Berger, a member the National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee at the University of California, San Francisco said NFL players , especially RODGERS given his history of concussions in HIGH SCHOOL , COLLEGE and NOW in the NFL , he should consider early retirement .....

FACT , Rodgers has a history of concussions , prior to the NFL , and he suffered two concussions in 2010 ... FACT.

I've just countered you with FACTS , Figgy Its time for you to just go home , one word for you....FAIL









Jay Cutler had 3 concussions while he played at Vanderbilt in college , before being drafted , FACT

Since he's been in the NFL , he has had 4 concussions , 2006 , 2010 , 2012 , 2017 , and hasn't missed significant playing time FACT


Yes, use Jay Cutler as your shining example. That will go well. FACT.
RE: RE: Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005  
figgy2989 : 2/13/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13831728 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13831705 figgy2989 said:


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So how exactly does your “facts” of home having 3 concussions in 2010, when he was already established in the NFL have anything to do with taking a QB at number 2, who already has a history of concussions coming into the league. I will wait for your “facts” to counter that point.



Figgy , you've already attempted to take two shots at me so far , and I've let you slide , no more , here's a FACT for you about Rodgers history in High School and College....

Dr. Mitchel Berger, a member the National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee at the University of California, San Francisco said NFL players , especially RODGERS given his history of concussions in HIGH SCHOOL , COLLEGE and NOW in the NFL , he should consider early retirement .....

FACT , Rodgers has a history of concussions , prior to the NFL , and he suffered two concussions in 2010 ... FACT.

I've just countered you with FACTS , Figgy Its time for you to just go home , one word for you....FAIL









Jay Cutler had 3 concussions while he played at Vanderbilt in college , before being drafted , FACT

Since he's been in the NFL , he has had 4 concussions , 2006 , 2010 , 2012 , 2017 , and hasn't missed significant playing time FACT



Hey shitdick, are you going to link your facts or keep spewing bullshit to fit your narrative? I did not “FAIL”, you did so, by making up statements about Berger which have nothing to do with Rodgers. Please link the Rodgers and Berger “facts” you list above...l’ll wait.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don’t get it  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13831689 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13831652 figgy2989 said:


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Anyone who isn’t concerned about the concussions and shoulder is just being naive.



Umm our own DJ Fluker , who everyone here wants to sign to a long term contract , has already had 4 concussions. And no one seems to bat an eye on him.

He plays at Guard , which is 1,000 times more violent than playing QB.

My point is that , if Rosen learns to evade the big hits , he will be fine. Eli is a master of getting rid of the football fast , that's why he's started over 200 games. Rosen can learn to do the same.



Seriously, you are comparing a scrap heap OL with the number 2 overall pick? Keep starting threads on why everyone is wrong here. Your contribution to this site is invaluable.



The difference between me and you is this , I use facts. In fact here is another one for you...

Aaron Rodgers QB of Green Bay , had 2 concussions in 2010 , one in October and December. That's right 2 concussions , a few months apart , and hasn't had one since. FACT

DJ Fluker has had 4 concussions , and is still playing regularly at one of the most violent positions in the NFL without missing significant time , FACT....


No, you don't. Do better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No offense but this is ridiculous.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13831576 Milton said:
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He couldn't pass the protocol. You think they lied about that? You think the doctors didn't evaluate him properly?

There was something that was still wrong or he would have passed the protocol, imo.

There was no protocol to pass because the decision wasn't based on whether or not he was experiencing symptoms, it was based on the timing of the two concussions he had experienced earlier in the season. And not even on the severity of the two concussions (which didn't appear to be severe, but I'm no doctor and I only base it on his appearance on the sidelines following them, so it's possible I'm wrong about their respective severity).

Milton, with all due respect, get real. If it was based solely on the timing, they wouldn't have even let him dress. There was no reason other than the concussions that it went down to the wire.
There..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 9:43 pm : link
are articles and quotes directly from Rosen that he was in concussion protocol.

The amount of misinformation and outright untruths, just to keep supporting rosen is a really fucking strange thing.

Hell, Milton actually suggests that Mora was just being overly cautious with Rosen because the families are close.

I shit you not.
RE: Dan, Peter...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13831613 Milton said:
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I tried to do some more digging on the concussions to find out about their severity and the symptoms that followed justify my obsession with Josh Rosen. I was looking for specific quotes rather than second hand reports, because sometimes a report can jump to a conclusion a way to keep championing Rosen here in spite of his well-documented concussion history.

The main thing I wanted to find out was what constitutes being in the protocol. Was Rosen in the "protocol" one month later because he was still experiencing symptoms or because of the fact that he was coming off two concussions within a four week window of each other prior to the bowl game whether I could explain away his concussions in a way that would allow me to keep singing his praises, as I've done with every draft prospect that I've become infatuated with over the years.

Fixed it for you, Milton.
RE: RE: RE: Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13831731 figgy2989 said:
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So how exactly does your “facts” of home having 3 concussions in 2010, when he was already established in the NFL have anything to do with taking a QB at number 2, who already has a history of concussions coming into the league. I will wait for your “facts” to counter that point.



Figgy , you've already attempted to take two shots at me so far , and I've let you slide , no more , here's a FACT for you about Rodgers history in High School and College....

Dr. Mitchel Berger, a member the National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee at the University of California, San Francisco said NFL players , especially RODGERS given his history of concussions in HIGH SCHOOL , COLLEGE and NOW in the NFL , he should consider early retirement .....

FACT , Rodgers has a history of concussions , prior to the NFL , and he suffered two concussions in 2010 ... FACT.

I've just countered you with FACTS , Figgy Its time for you to just go home , one word for you....FAIL









Jay Cutler had 3 concussions while he played at Vanderbilt in college , before being drafted , FACT

Since he's been in the NFL , he has had 4 concussions , 2006 , 2010 , 2012 , 2017 , and hasn't missed significant playing time FACT





Hey shitdick, are you going to link your facts or keep spewing bullshit to fit your narrative? I did not “FAIL”, you did so, by making up statements about Berger which have nothing to do with Rodgers. Please link the Rodgers and Berger “facts” you list above...l’ll wait.


Hey Figgy ,

I have the article right here in front of me. But I don't continue having conversations with people who have to curse at another poster , and put them down , cuz they can't communicate in a civilized manner.

When you learn how to be respectful , then we will talk , its up to you big guy






You completely made..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 10:22 pm : link
up that Rodgers had concussions prior to the NFL. You didn't even link an article or a quote. Here's the words right from his mouth:

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Rodgers has had two concussions in his lifetime, he said, and both came with “completely different” symptoms.

In each, he stayed in the game immediately after the injury.

The first concussion, Rodgers said, happened in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to Washington. Rodgers remembers Washington linebacker London Fletcher being one of three defenders to hit him almost simultaneously. He said his left eye went “silver metallic,” and he could only see out of his right.

Rodgers stayed in the game, even scrambling for 15 yards on the next snap. He started the next week against the Miami Dolphins.

A second concussion happened later in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to the Detroit Lions. Once again, Rodgers did not leave the game — at least not immediately. Rodgers doesn’t remember what happened after his concussion, but he knows he remained in the game even after referee Gene Steratore checked him on the field.

“I got up,” Rodgers said, “and my chinstrap was across my nose. You could see Gene Steratore, one of my favorite referees, and he kind of comes over to me, and he’s like, ‘Hey, are you OK?’ I don’t remember this, but I’m like, ‘Yeah, I’m fine. I’m fine.’ There was a timeout called, went over to the sideline, and I think I waved off, ‘Oh, I’m good. I’m good. But it was the first time in my life I had blacked out, but that's not what you are thinking at the time. You're out there to compete and keep leading the team. Your body takes over, almost unconsciously. Maybe unconsciously."

“It’s just kind of what’s built into you,” Rodgers said. “I went back out there for a couple plays, and I couldn’t call the plays, and they ended up getting me out of there.”
If the Giants draft Rosen I'll eat my hat  
Go Terps : 2/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
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RE: If the Giants draft Rosen I'll eat my hat  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13831767 Go Terps said:
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Finally Terps and I agree! I'm not sure if that's a promising development, though. It could very well mean that Terps should be researching the best sauce for eating hats.
RE: If the Giants draft Rosen I'll eat my hat  
mrvax : 2/13/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13831767 Go Terps said:
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Ever stop to think the Giants want to continue their claim to fame of having the most starters missing games in the NFL?
It ain't happening  
Go Terps : 2/13/2018 10:38 pm : link
Ownership is used to 14 years of a basically unimpeachable quarterback that has won the Payton award and made a billion commercials that have made the team a billion dollars. For better or worse, I think that influences our draft pick.

I'd be stunned if we picked a quarterback that isn't Darnold.
I pine..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2018 10:40 pm : link
for the days of radar. He could've munched his beret with a fine hollandaise sauce
None of this stuff matters guys  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2018 10:41 pm : link
Rosen just needs to avoid getting hit, so no worries
RE: It ain't happening  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13831776 Go Terps said:
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Ownership is used to 14 years of a basically unimpeachable quarterback that has won the Payton award and made a billion commercials that have made the team a billion dollars. For better or worse, I think that influences our draft pick.

I'd be stunned if we picked a quarterback that isn't Darnold.


If that's what they're looking for then they're just going to end up being the first team to try to play games without a QB. They're set in their ways, but I don't think they're that stubborn and intractable. Finding a marketable face isn't that difficult. The player that plays well and has success becomes marketable. They certainly don't have a moral stand against Odell making money for them, and he certainly does.
It’s not just the concussions  
WillVAB : 2/13/2018 10:51 pm : link
Rosen is fragile. He has a fragile build.

There’s no denying his talent, but he’d be destined for the IR with the Giants behind an OL in rebuild mode and some good pass rushing teams in the division.
He's 6'4 218.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2018 10:57 pm : link
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RE: He's 6'4 218.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13831785 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Well, that settles it. Nothing to see here, folks. Colleges never inflate the measurements of their athletes. It's all settled now. Rosen has gotten injured in spite of his solid, injury-proof body. His super-powers are bound to kick in soon.
RE: You completely made..  
sxdxca : 2/13/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13831765 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up that Rodgers had concussions prior to the NFL. You didn't even link an article or a quote. Here's the words right from his mouth:



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Rodgers has had two concussions in his lifetime, he said, and both came with “completely different” symptoms.

In each, he stayed in the game immediately after the injury.

The first concussion, Rodgers said, happened in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to Washington. Rodgers remembers Washington linebacker London Fletcher being one of three defenders to hit him almost simultaneously. He said his left eye went “silver metallic,” and he could only see out of his right.

Rodgers stayed in the game, even scrambling for 15 yards on the next snap. He started the next week against the Miami Dolphins.

A second concussion happened later in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to the Detroit Lions. Once again, Rodgers did not leave the game — at least not immediately. Rodgers doesn’t remember what happened after his concussion, but he knows he remained in the game even after referee Gene Steratore checked him on the field.

“I got up,” Rodgers said, “and my chinstrap was across my nose. You could see Gene Steratore, one of my favorite referees, and he kind of comes over to me, and he’s like, ‘Hey, are you OK?’ I don’t remember this, but I’m like, ‘Yeah, I’m fine. I’m fine.’ There was a timeout called, went over to the sideline, and I think I waved off, ‘Oh, I’m good. I’m good. But it was the first time in my life I had blacked out, but that's not what you are thinking at the time. You're out there to compete and keep leading the team. Your body takes over, almost unconsciously. Maybe unconsciously."

“It’s just kind of what’s built into you,” Rodgers said. “I went back out there for a couple plays, and I couldn’t call the plays, and they ended up getting me out of there.”



No Fatman , Once again you are completely incorrect. I don't make stuff up. Half of the concussions in the NFL and college aren't even reported.

I have the link and the article right here in front of me.

"National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee and chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine."

He is from the university of California , where Aaron Rodgers went to college , look it up , I did.

I'm just tired of being cursed at , put down , belittled , name called for all of the FACTS and research I have presented.

Especially by a poster named Figgy. When he learns to show some respect I'll post it , its all on him. Blame him if I don't post it.

I also have made a documented list , and researched every current NFL QB playing and there concussion history.

I will present this tomorrow , I'm too tired tonight.


hahaha  
YAJ2112 : 2/13/2018 11:17 pm : link
what a fucking dickless twat
RE: RE: You completely made..  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/13/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13831790 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13831765 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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up that Rodgers had concussions prior to the NFL. You didn't even link an article or a quote. Here's the words right from his mouth:



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Rodgers has had two concussions in his lifetime, he said, and both came with “completely different” symptoms.

In each, he stayed in the game immediately after the injury.

The first concussion, Rodgers said, happened in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to Washington. Rodgers remembers Washington linebacker London Fletcher being one of three defenders to hit him almost simultaneously. He said his left eye went “silver metallic,” and he could only see out of his right.

Rodgers stayed in the game, even scrambling for 15 yards on the next snap. He started the next week against the Miami Dolphins.

A second concussion happened later in the 2010 season when the Packers traveled to the Detroit Lions. Once again, Rodgers did not leave the game — at least not immediately. Rodgers doesn’t remember what happened after his concussion, but he knows he remained in the game even after referee Gene Steratore checked him on the field.

“I got up,” Rodgers said, “and my chinstrap was across my nose. You could see Gene Steratore, one of my favorite referees, and he kind of comes over to me, and he’s like, ‘Hey, are you OK?’ I don’t remember this, but I’m like, ‘Yeah, I’m fine. I’m fine.’ There was a timeout called, went over to the sideline, and I think I waved off, ‘Oh, I’m good. I’m good. But it was the first time in my life I had blacked out, but that's not what you are thinking at the time. You're out there to compete and keep leading the team. Your body takes over, almost unconsciously. Maybe unconsciously."

“It’s just kind of what’s built into you,” Rodgers said. “I went back out there for a couple plays, and I couldn’t call the plays, and they ended up getting me out of there.”





No Fatman , Once again you are completely incorrect. I don't make stuff up. Half of the concussions in the NFL and college aren't even reported.

I have the link and the article right here in front of me.

"National Football League’s Head, Neck and Spine Medical Committee and chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine."

He is from the university of California , where Aaron Rodgers went to college , look it up , I did.

I'm just tired of being cursed at , put down , belittled , name called for all of the FACTS and research I have presented.

Especially by a poster named Figgy. When he learns to show some respect I'll post it , its all on him. Blame him if I don't post it.

I also have made a documented list , and researched every current NFL QB playing and there concussion history.

I will present this tomorrow , I'm too tired tonight.


Don't bother. No one cares what you have to say.
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