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For those trashing Josh Rosen part two.....

sxdxca : 2/13/2018 5:13 pm
As we've already exposed Parcells evaluation of a college QB's win/loss record , as a faulty measuring line.

I will now address the fascination on BBI with not drafting Josh Rosen because of his concussion history , as also being faulty.

In 2015 there were 199 concussions in the NFL.

Out of 199 players suffering a concussion , the cornerback position had the highest amount of players reporting a concussion with 41.

Why?

Because players making a tackle suffer the highest amount of concussions in the NFL , with 41%.

On the other hand , the Quarterback position had only 12 players reporting a concussion.

Some of the QBs who suffered a concussion were , Roethlisberger , Bradford , Bridgewater , and Case Keenan.

Teddy Bridgewater suffered a concussion in 2015 , he was cleared to play the next week.

Roethlisberger has had 3 concussions in his career. One in 2006 , 2009 , and 2015. Out of all 3 concussions , he has missed only 1 game.

Sam Bradford , who is injury prone , suffered a concussion in 2015 , he missed 2 games.

Case Keenum suffered a concussion in 2015 , he remained in the game.

As the facts show , all 4 of these QB's suffered a concussion , and none of them missed significant playing time , if any.

To those also trashing Josh Rosen.

Alex Smith in 2012 , while playing for the 49ers , ran a QB sneak , and suffered a concussion. He missed 1 game.

The facts show , it can happen at anytime , even during a QB sneak.

You should be more concerened with CB , WR , TE , S , OT , LB , and RB positions , which report a greater number of players suffering a concussion , than the QB position.

So please stop using Rosen's concussion injury as a reason not to draft him , it's a faulty measuring line that collapses on itself.


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mrvax : 2/13/2018 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13831793 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Don't bother. No one cares what you have to say.


Well I do. Provided it's not on BBI.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 2/14/2018 12:33 am : link
In comment 13831789 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Well, that settles it. Nothing to see here, folks. Colleges never inflate the measurements of their athletes. It's all settled now. Rosen has gotten injured in spite of his solid, injury-proof body. His super-powers are bound to kick in soon.


It's so funny that people get these narratives in their head and just assume the world is lying when information runs counter to what they choose to believe. Baker Mayfield was supposedly 5'10 because everyone knows colleges lie, and then he showed up at the senior bowl and measured height at over 6 feet.
Only on BBI  
Modus Operandi : 2/14/2018 6:41 am : link
Is a guy who's widely considered the most polished QB coming out and discussed as possibly being the first player taken overall, as being "trashed".

It's bizarre how some of you get attached to these prospects and get uber defensive over the slightest criticism. Fair criticism.
Still waiting  
figgy2989 : 2/14/2018 7:39 am : link
For you to link the Mitch Berger article talking about Rodgers’ concussions prior to the NFL. Did a google search and nothing came up...

You keep saying that you are presenting facts, but can not link the support material. I will eat crow if you can provide the details.
Figgy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/14/2018 8:17 am : link
he doesn't have it. He supposedly had the article "right in front of him" last night and couldn't take a couple seconds to cut and paste because he was "too tired"! He's been a consistently terrible poster, and now he just blatantly made shit up.

I'm just going to highlight two sentences that reported Rodgers didn't have a concussion prior to the NFL:

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Rodgers has had [b[two concussions in his lifetime[/b], he said, and both came with “completely different” symptoms.

"But it was the first time in my life I had blacked out, but that's not what you are thinking at the time. You're out there to compete and keep leading the team. Your body takes over, almost unconsciously. Maybe unconsciously."


These Rosen threads are bizarre as fuck to begin with, especially when you have two posters who seem to be wholly obsessed with the guy. Obsessed enough to just fabricate shit.
FMIC  
figgy2989 : 2/14/2018 8:31 am : link
It is unreal how people get so attached to prospects. I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but to fabricate and make shit up to fit a narrative is weird as hell.

i assume that part 3  
Dave : 2/14/2018 9:05 am : link
will address, and downplay, his shoulder injury
This is a good example...  
Zepp : 2/14/2018 9:27 am : link
of a little knowledge being a bad thing. Anyone in the healthcare field where they work with patients will tell you that everyone is different. You can't say in terms of concussions oh Aaron Rodgers had 2 and didn't have another one...therefore Rosen wont have another one. That is not a fact as has been childishly claimed. Everyone is different and concussions in individuals are different.

Here are the facts. Rosen has had 2 concussions in a short amount of time. The NFL has a concussion protocol where if he gets a concussion he could be missing significant time. Those are the facts period! No one can predict whether anyone is going to have a future concussion. Therefore this is the classic example of being a red flag. Something that is alarming and should be considered when making a decision of basing your career and franchise on drafting this person with this red flag.

IMO the Giants would be idiots to draft this kid with a concussion history. Yes it is a FACT that he has a concussion history. He might not ever have one ever again in his life but are you willing to bet your job, reputation, franchise on it? I'm a little more conservative when everything is on the line. That and also that he seems to be an immature man baby has me taking Barkley and rolling the dice with him who has less if any red flags.
I am as on-board with Rosen as anyone,  
Section331 : 2/14/2018 9:53 am : link
with the probable exception of Milton, but you're whistling past the graveyard if you don't think his concussion history is a concern. You can be certain any team looking at him will investigate it thoroughly, as they should. Anyone who gets a concussion is at more risk for further concussions than those who have not had any.

I will trust the Giants to do their due diligence with his injury history, but let's not make it out to be trivial.
Some of you are over the top about me being over the top...  
Milton : 2/14/2018 4:18 pm : link
I'm not saying concussions aren't a concern in general in the NFL (I'm the one who advocates eliminating the 3-point stance because of concussions), my only point was that I consider it a non-factor when comparing Rosen to the other prospects in the draft. He isn't going to drop because of the concussions. And he isn't going to cut his career short because of the concussions.

I'm willing to be here and now with anyone that he will have longer career than Saquon Barkley and miss fewer games due to injury than Saquon Barkley. And while they won't all be diagnosed and publicized, I'm gonna guess that Rosen will have fewer concussions during his career than Saquon Barkley.

p.s.--I'll admit that after doing more googling, I may have been wrong to dismiss both of his concussions as non-severe. I'm not a doctor or enough of a student of concussions to know how to categorize concussions based on symptoms and even if I was, there isn't complete information on it available to the public. As for why the public was strung along with the news that Rosen might be available to play in his bowl game before ultimately stating that the reason he was held out was based on the timing of the prior two concussions and the risk of a third one within a short window, well, that's a good question and open to theories (one being they wanted to downplay the severity of his concussion symptoms for purposes of not hurting his draft stock and another relating to PR surrounding the bowl game--with Rosen being the biggest attraction).
Milton, I hope you didn't take my comment as  
Section331 : 2/14/2018 4:23 pm : link
some kind of attack, I certainly didn't intend it that way. For the most part, I share your enthusiasm for Rosen, but I do think his recent concussions will be a significant interest for teams.
the issue isnt so much  
msh : 2/14/2018 4:32 pm : link
the fact he had a concussion as with the game it happens its the fact he missed over 4 weeks with a concussion that hints at a bigger problem especially behind that porous OL ,eli has taken ALOT of hits and never missed time in his career

then you add the already repaired shoulder into the mix people have raised concerns about if he is the right pick or not its a very important pick and everyone has different priorities and issues with every player available at the number 2 pick which is alot

realistically they have 5 choices a QB, barkley, chubb, fitzpatrick or a slight trade back if the reward is high enough and it still leaves you a shot at one of the other 4 choices at least the QB is already heavily debated so i wont add to it

barkley will open up the running game and give you another receiving option out the back field and with veeren likely gone this is a distinct possibility if they feel webb can be the guy to replace eli in a year or two

chubb is a very real option too, gettleman used alot of high choices in carolina on the defensive side of the line early jpp has missed alot of time and isnt the same player,vernon is a good disruptor and above average run defender but he isnt a pure pass rusher,chubb would give them that and with the secondry they need pressure to force errors and allow the pass defence to hold up better

fitzpatrick could be the foil to collins at safety giving them a ball hawking safety that bletcher can use to make his scheme work or to free up collins to be the guy his scheme demands at safety either way he is in play if they trade back he may be the choice with the extra pick(s) used on the holes at other positions like OL or MLB

or to trade back into the first round for a QB that they rate higher than the mock people do as was the case with webb. second overall is perhaps a little soon for him to be picked as it stands but it wouldnt be a terrible pick but this is gettlemans first draft and a safer and quicker return pick may work better like the pass rusher,running back or the QB obviously

RE: Milton, I hope you didn't take my comment as  
Milton : 2/14/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13832591 Section331 said:
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some kind of attack, I certainly didn't intend it that way. For the most part, I share your enthusiasm for Rosen, but I do think his recent concussions will be a significant interest for teams.
I didn't. It was aimed at earlier comments from yesterday. I'm here for fun, some of the personal stuff is good-natured ribbing (which I enjoy) and some of it isn't (which I don't enjoy). There's such a thing as an honest difference of opinion and there's no need to get so worked up over it.
Draft Barkely or Chubb  
TMS : 2/14/2018 6:02 pm : link
or trade down. ELI will be our QB for at least 2 years. Rosen is being pushed for all the wrong reasons. Injury prone, fragile, big mouth with concussions, who will square root a golden parachute retirement before his first contract is over. Caveat emtor. MO
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