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Raanan Predicts Giants Veteran Cuts

gidiefor : Mod : 2/20/2018 10:20 am
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The New York Giants have decisions to make. Only the decision-makers have recently changed and, with them, so have the schemes and direction of the franchise.

With Dave Gettleman as general manager and Pat Shurmur as the coach, everything changes. They are going to make the roster assembled by Jerry Reese and, in recent years, Ben McAdoo conform to their liking.

Here are some of the decisions they face, with projections on how it works out:

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Potential Giants cuts: Brandon Marshall, Eli Apple among tough decisions - ( New Window )
States the obvious but  
Tuckrule : 2/20/2018 10:26 am : link
His prediction

Who stays: DRC, Jenkins, Jerry, flowers.

Who goes: Apple via trade, Marshall, Harris.
another shit column  
Victor in CT : 2/20/2018 10:26 am : link
1: what's difficult about cutting Branndon Marshall?
2: they are NOT giving up on Eli Apple now.
3: They are not cutting Flowers.
I'm expecting Apple and Flowers to get one chance with DG  
JonC : 2/20/2018 10:31 am : link
the other vets are prime cut targets.
I'm not sure Apple goes  
Beer Man : 2/20/2018 10:31 am : link
DG has already stated that the two had a sit down and that Apple gets a fresh start.
might as well wait to see  
sundayatone : 2/20/2018 10:34 am : link
how apple behaves/plays thru training camp.
Apple is going to be on the Giants.  
Captplanet : 2/20/2018 10:38 am : link
Unless the Giants cut him, or accept a 7 round pick, Apple will be on this team during Trading camp.
Thats all he is worth on the open market.
If DRC stays...  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2018 10:41 am : link
he'll have to take a pay cut....they're going to pay a slot CB who's 32 years old....6.5 million. He's earned his money...but he'll have to a major cut or be cut.
RE: If DRC stays...  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13836956 Andy in Boston said:
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he'll have to take a pay cut....they're going to pay a slot CB who's 32 years old....6.5 million. He's earned his money...but he'll have to a major cut or be cut.


"not" going to pay.
and he didn't mention  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2018 10:42 am : link
Vereen...isn't he an UFA.
I don't think Apple goes.......  
Doomster : 2/20/2018 10:44 am : link
We are weak at the corner position, and perhaps new coaching can help.....

Flowers stays only because he is cheap, and because he and Jerry(should only be a backup) are the only starters left on the team....and he basically is a one year rental, who won't be here the following season....

Harris is gone....

Jenkins did not play as well as the previous season, but he is still our best CB....

Marshall, probably one of the biggest disappointments of last season...there was a reason why he wanted to go to a team where he didn't want to be the #1 receiver, because he isn't one, or even a #2, for that matter......I can't believe how bad he was...

If anyone should go, it's JPP, but his contract prohibits it....

I like Jerry as a backup, not starter....
RE: RE: If DRC stays...  
chuckydee9 : 2/20/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13836957 Andy in Boston said:
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In comment 13836956 Andy in Boston said:


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he'll have to take a pay cut....they're going to pay a slot CB who's 32 years old....6.5 million. He's earned his money...but he'll have to a major cut or be cut.



"not" going to pay.


Regardless of how you see him.. he is not simply a slot corner.. he is a top 20 CB at the very least..Good CBs who hit the market as FA regardless of age make a lot more then 6.5M..
Nothing that most of us fans dont  
gmen9892 : 2/20/2018 10:45 am : link
Already know or think is going to happen. Agree with the sentiment that Apple will be here as well. No sense in trading him with his value being at its lowest possible point. With the talent he has, the upside is way higher than trading him for a 5-7th round pick.
i was surprised  
Rocky369 : 2/20/2018 10:49 am : link
when DG made the announcement, given how this year went, that Apple had a clean slate with him. Unless of course this was simply posturing to not send his value completely to the basement should he decide to seek a trade.
Leave Jenkins and DRC alone...  
M.S. : 2/20/2018 11:07 am : link
...don't really care about any of his other candidates.

As for the wonderful first round selections of Apple & Flowers, I sure hope they can contribute in 2018, but who knows? Apple is the real wild card here, whereas at least Flowers did not make himself a total outcast in the locker room.

So... can Apple get his head on straight and can Flowers accept a possible move (and thrive) to another part of the LOS?

Who knows?
RE: another shit column  
mfsd : 2/20/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13836933 Victor in CT said:
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1: what's difficult about cutting Branndon Marshall?
2: they are NOT giving up on Eli Apple now.
3: They are not cutting Flowers.


I suspect someone else at ESPN invented the headline to draw attention. Bc in the article Jordan makes it clear cutting Marshall is about the easiest decision of them all.
Giants will make some moves  
blueblood : 2/20/2018 11:16 am : link
But I dont think it will be what a lot of these writers think.

Lets say you cut Jenkins. You save 6 million dollars... And you just created a hole in your roster.. Now go find yourself a top notch.. maybe a shade below a shutdown corner... for 6 million.. you wont.. try 15-17 million..

Same situation with Cromartie.. You created a hole in your roster.. he can play both in the slot and on the outside. He also might make a good move to Free Safety because with his speed he still has some range.. And he is only on the roster for one more season anyway.. why cut him and create dead money?

Marshall is a no brainer. While he creates some dead money.. He hasnt been productive since 2015. He is 34 and coming off an injury. Too many drops as a receiver for my taste as well. I can take his money and possibly sign someone like Donte Moncrief or Paul Richardson on the cheap.

I agree Eli Apple could be trade bait. The chaos he created in the locker room combined with his terrible play really was an issue last year. Can he turn it around.. maybe.. do you want it to blow up the locker room while you find out? If you do trade him then you certainly cannot cut Cromartie or Jenkins. In fact you need to try and bring back Cockrell.

Flowers stays.. cutting him doesnt help you. You have to hope he can be a decent RG or RT.

John Jerry will probably stay.. he should go.. cause he is mediocre.. Jerry is a back up. He shouldnt be a starter.. but he did seem to do better moving to left guard..

Unfortunately cutting either of them just creates more of a hole in your biggest hole..

Harris is a no brainer.. often hurt.. not enough production..

One move I HOPE they would try to make and one I would HOPE would happen is Eli giving back SOME money to make improvements on the OL. At this point in his career Eli has to realize that if the OL improves it can only help him.
Re: Apple and Flowers  
Peppers : 2/20/2018 11:23 am : link
It really depends what their state of mind is. It could be addition by subtraction. I honestly can't recall a situation like Apples. That's about as bad as it gets in my eyes. I'd get him off the team.

There won't be too many surprises among the rest. Harris may take a pay cut. DRC is more than a slot CB.

Marshall and Jerry are gone.. maybe the surprise cut will be Wing.
RE: and he didn't mention  
Gman11 : 2/20/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13836959 Andy in Boston said:
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Vereen...isn't he an UFA.
Which is why he wouldn't be mentioned. He doesn't get cut. He just isn't signed to a new contract.
Odd that Vereen wasn't mentioned  
mrvax : 2/20/2018 11:27 am : link
He won't be re-signed IMO.
I'm fine with Jerry as a backup.
DRC: Like Raanan says, if DRC wants to keep his current salary, he has to play more, specifically as an outside corner. That's fine if we sign a good slot corner.

I think Marshall is gone because he's just lost too much.
Agree that Flowers needs competition for LT, and he should be tried on the right side.

Give Apple a short leash and see if he responds positively. If not, Giants cut bait and take a 6th or 7th round pick.
Trade Apple and our 2nd  
Chip : 2/20/2018 11:35 am : link
to get back into the 1st round. Cut Jerry he is the only guy who can stay healthy for 2.5 mil makes no sense.
RE: If DRC stays...  
ajr2456 : 2/20/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13836956 Andy in Boston said:
[quote] he'll have to take a pay cut....they're going to pay a slot CB who's 32 years old....6.5 million. He's earned his money...but he'll have to a major cut or be cut. [/quote

The QB is 37 and makes $22 million...
Cant cut DRC this year  
Rory : 2/20/2018 11:56 am : link
Apple is a huge question mark and Cockrell is a UFA ...leaving only Hunter & Deayon at DB.
cutting Apple would send a message  
gtt350 : 2/20/2018 11:57 am : link
like antifreeze on a baloney sandwich

" hey did you see our cat?"
"we didn't see shit"
Cockrell  
Toth029 : 2/20/2018 12:07 pm : link
Can be re-signed and should be. Not a lot of money toward him obviously but I don't respect that to be the case.

DRC I like a lot but it is a lot of money for an aging CB who quite frankly doesn't play a lot of snaps.
RE: Cockrell  
Peppers : 2/20/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13837062 Toth029 said:
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Can be re-signed and should be. Not a lot of money toward him obviously but I don't respect that to be the case.

DRC I like a lot but it is a lot of money for an aging CB who quite frankly doesn't play a lot of snaps.


I'm not sure where this "DRC doesn't play enough snaps" is coming from.

He played 55% of the defensive snaps, in comparison:

Jenkins - 56%
Apple - 59%

Snacks - 58%

DRC also played 34% of the special teams snaps, which was the highest of the defensive starters.
How  
Toth029 : 2/20/2018 1:25 pm : link
Many did he play in the final several games? Dixon was getting more time over the final few games it felt like.

Jenkins missed several games, so not sure why you would compare them. Apple I do not wish back to be honest. Bad attitudes can kick rocks.
Bad move getting rid of DRC  
Sec 103 : 2/20/2018 1:30 pm : link
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RE: Giants will make some moves  
ColHowPepper : 2/20/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13837009 blueblood said:
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But I dont think it will be what a lot of these writers think.
bb, your summary pretty well matches where Raanan came out. His assessments weren't mindbending but pretty rational, predictable and oft-predicted here for the most part.
For the love of God don't  
GiantTuff1 : 2/20/2018 2:29 pm : link
get rid of DRC.

Despite the suspension, which we don't really know what went down... he was one of the few who showed a pulse and sense of pride out there.

He can still ball. Keep him.
RE: How  
Peppers : 2/20/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13837171 Toth029 said:
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Many did he play in the final several games? Dixon was getting more time over the final few games it felt like.

Jenkins missed several games, so not sure why you would compare them. Apple I do not wish back to be honest. Bad attitudes can kick rocks.


I included Jenkins and Apple to help put it in perspective..

Snacks was at 58% if that helps.


Our backs aren't up against the wall, we're healthy as far as cap space. Although his best days are behind him, he still plays well, contributed all over the defense, plays on specials, he projects well into Bettchers Defense as he's a bigger CB who excels in press man and the team loves him. I just don't see the reason to cut him. The market for quality CBs isn't cheap. Just a few years ago Tramon Williams at 32 years old signed a contract for 3 years 21 million.

I'd keep DRC, move Apple, and resign Cockrell. I'd also draft a guy, its a good year for CBs in my opinion.


So he throws out 7 obvious names, identifies 2 cuts (but iffy on one)  
Ivan15 : 2/20/2018 3:42 pm : link
and suggests one trade that isn't going to happen.

Not even worth viewing the post.
Jenkins is not going anywhere ...  
Manny in CA : 2/20/2018 4:52 pm : link

He played with a bad ankle, till it gave out on him.

DRC is an older player, but the fastest man on the field.

No mention of Pugh & Richburg (the two "best" on the O-line) - I'm being very SARCASTIC

First off, I would NOT cut DRC  
Matt M. : 2/20/2018 5:01 pm : link
He can still play. This is especially true if they do cut Apple, which I think is a 50/5- proposition right now. I don't think they are cutting Flowers this season.

I know this won't be popular, but I also wouldn't cut Marshall. He has an up and down history. I actually expect a decent bounce back season in terms of health and production.
Hopefully they don't release any of the CBs  
Rflairr : 2/20/2018 6:00 pm : link
considering how important playing press man coverage is in Beetcher's system.

They really shouldn't give up on Eli Apple before seeing how he works out under new leadership and a new coaching staff.

Have you seen the Free Agent CBs? No thanks, I'd rather keep our current guys
Jenkins is a keeper imo,  
prdave73 : 2/21/2018 1:16 am : link
I would not let him go.
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