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Breeze_94 : 3/3/2018 4:38 pm
"With a new coaching staff and some new schemes, the #Giants are moving pieces around: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is moving to safety, Iím told. Heíll compete with starter Darian Thompson."

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I will stick my neck out - DT will make a major step forward  
idiotsavant : 3/3/2018 5:54 pm : link
Next season.

That said. If a serious blue chip safety is there (r there 2 arguable top ten types?) That's always a consideration.

But again. Safeties. Corners. More lbs than we otherwise would have found. More lines players on both sides than we other wise would have found? Multiple RBs. TE...

All trade down fodder ala big time.
Unfortunately, you like to have your Safeties be solid tacklers  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2018 5:54 pm : link
and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...
possibly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/3/2018 5:55 pm : link
opens the door for Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Short trade down, the safety will probably be there  
idiotsavant : 3/3/2018 6:01 pm : link
I expect the DRC thing is one in many smoke signals ;-) tho
Not a surprising move  
Peppers : 3/3/2018 6:06 pm : link
I posted recently (I think in that whispers thread) that I heard we were looking for a S who can come down in the slot.. Utilizing our own pieces first makes the most sense. Still won't rule out the draft. In that same post I said I heard we like Fitzpatrick. How much I don't know but we do like him.
So much for the DRC needs to take a salary cut  
BillT : 3/3/2018 6:11 pm : link
That was never very realistic but it would seem this puts that to bed.
RE: Need some CBs  
Reale01 : 3/3/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13849283 ij_reilly said:
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I like the move, I like the competition.

The Giants need CBS. Cockrell is UFA. Going to have to sign at least one CB and probably draft one too.

You canít count on Apple. What a disaster of a draft pick that was!


We do not "need" CBS although FOX is mediocre.
RE: Very happy if the Giants commit to DRC...  
mrvax : 3/3/2018 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13849289 M.S. said:
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...in 2018!

He's a tremendous, talented player who can help us win.


I think he's earned every nickle from his contract here in NY.
RE: RE: Very happy if the Giants commit to DRC...  
BillT : 3/3/2018 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13849357 mrvax said:
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In comment 13849289 M.S. said:


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...in 2018!

He's a tremendous, talented player who can help us win.




I think he's earned every nickle from his contract here in NY.

And to be fair, a very good Reese pickup.
Trade for Talib  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/3/2018 6:36 pm : link
!!!
LOVE this  
DennyInDenville : 3/3/2018 6:43 pm : link
DRCs speed at FS is truly unique. Will be quite an asset if he can tackle atleast at like 2016 DRC level
RE: Unfortunately, you like to have your Safeties be solid tacklers  
JonC : 3/3/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13849340 Jimmy Googs said:
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and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...


No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.

christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.
Cant see putting DRC in an even more physical role  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/3/2018 8:04 pm : link
working out well. It's the two areas where he's weakest: staying healthy and tackling.
RE: RE: Unfortunately, you like to have your Safeties be solid tacklers  
christian : 3/3/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13849375 JonC said:
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In comment 13849340 Jimmy Googs said:


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and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...



No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.

christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.


Good try, but no I am not. Until you're willing to name names, it's just gossip.
The Giants  
crick n NC : 3/3/2018 9:29 pm : link
Are betting his coverage and ball skills help the defense more than his lack of tackling hurt the team. I like this move
RE: possibly  
blueblood : 3/3/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13849344 Eric from BBI said:
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opens the door for Minkah Fitzpatrick.


or the return of Ross Cockrell !!!!
RE: RE: RE: Unfortunately, you like to have your Safeties be solid tacklers  
JonC : 3/3/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13849462 christian said:
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In comment 13849375 JonC said:


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In comment 13849340 Jimmy Googs said:


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and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...



No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.

christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.



Good try, but no I am not. Until you're willing to name names, it's just gossip.


That won't happen and for obvious reasons.

Here's the bottom line, tons of info does not get reported in media print, also for obvious reasons. All sorts of relationship's and livelihoods are in play.

That's fact.
RE: The Giants  
DennyInDenville : 3/3/2018 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13849465 crick n NC said:
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Are betting his coverage and ball skills help the defense more than his lack of tackling hurt the team. I like this move

That's what I see also. His instincts and intelligence can only help him also.

He likely won't be asked to ever step up into the box either . I see him in the 2011 kenny Phillips role with the shaky knee but even more protected in CF
RE: Get the feeling  
FStubbs : 3/3/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13849265 Breeze_94 said:
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Keeping a 32 year old w/ 1 year left on his deal around and not cutting him to clear cap space. Doesn't sound like something a team that is rebuilding would do. Further reassuring that the Giants are in "Win-now" mode with Gettleman at the helm.


DRC is excellent value for the price we're paying him next year. No need to cut him at all.
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christian : 3/3/2018 10:26 pm : link
Jon - couldn't agree more. Lot's of stuff on both sides isn't reported in the media. The details between the team and players is best left there. You said it best, livelihoods.
Glad they're tweaking the roster....  
Britt in VA : 3/3/2018 10:40 pm : link
I like that....
RE: Opens  
Breeze_94 : 3/3/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13849329 Jon in NYC said:
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a hole at CB. Wouldn't be surprised to see them invest a high pick there given Apple's status.


I agree that they need a CB at some point in this draft, or maybe one in FA.

One guy who I am curious to see how he tests- Nick Nelson from Wisconsin. He played press-man coverage in Wisconsin and was very effective. Held DJ Moore and Simmie Cobbs in check this year apparently. He is physical, 5'10 208lbs. Reminds me a lot of Janoris Jenkins in terms of play style. He'd be a great fit for Bettcher's scheme, which relies on CB's being able to play press-man coverage. He can also return punts. I think hes projected for Round 4 right now.
RE: possibly  
Mr. Nickels : 3/3/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13849344 Eric from BBI said:
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opens the door for Minkah Fitzpatrick.




How?
Whatís interesting, and no oneís mentioned,  
Gmen4Life21 : 3/4/2018 12:30 am : link
is this would allow Collins to play up in the box more...if DRC is a big upgrade as a roving safety.

I wouldnít rule our DT after one season though. Good talent/depth to have to compete for a roster spot in camp.
I don't understand where this idea  
eclipz928 : 3/4/2018 7:16 am : link
of DRC being a poor tackler came from. Of course he's never blown any one up, he doesn't have the size for it, but I can barely recall an instance where he has missed a tackle while on the Giants.
It's not that DRC is a poor tackler,  
Doomster : 3/4/2018 8:26 am : link
he is not a physical player, and with him having to cover a lot of ground and make more tackles, he might spend more time on the sidelines than on the field......

Darian was all hype.....did nothing that looked like a playmaking FS he was suppose to be.....slow to react, missed some big tackles, and where were the ball hawking skills he was suppose to have? Adams may have played better the year before, but that is not saying much....

As for Cockrell, he is not that good....three int's in the last two garbage games....I would love Butler, but he is going to cost a lot....

As it stands, this defense is in trouble....and once the injuries start, then the crap hits the fan....another gift from Reese.....
Malcolm Butler would scare the crap out of me  
Bill L : 3/4/2018 9:54 am : link
If your coach is willing to lose a SB just to keep you off the field, thereís probably some gigantic reason why.
RE: ...  
JonC : 3/4/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13849499 christian said:
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Jon - couldn't agree more. Lot's of stuff on both sides isn't reported in the media. The details between the team and players is best left there. You said it best, livelihoods.


We're not far in disagreement fundamentally, I just don't have a problem with the info about DRC that got out.

As for DRC as a tackler, he's never been a fundamentally good, consistent tackler willing to put his nose in there. If you've played the game, it's clear and obvious. He's made a more concerted effort to be a better tackler the past two seasons, at the same time and there have been positive results.

However, not to the extent where you want him playing safety where consistent tackling as the last line of defense are absolutely necessary.
DRC  
joeinpa : 3/4/2018 10:13 am : link
Has been one of the best athletes on this team. Even at age 32, he remains such. He is also a play maker.

Never understood the theory that you get better by letting good players move on. I love that he s staying
Tough decisions are made in a cap league  
JonC : 3/4/2018 10:28 am : link
and on teams that need significant retooling.

In that light, a slot CB playing approx 60% of snaps with a $6.5M cap hit is worthy candidate of a paycut, for example, when you consider many of the same around the league earn approx half.
DRC  
jtfuoco : 3/4/2018 10:57 am : link
Can tackle he just gets hurt if he does it. I have a feeling he could really excel in the FS spot and could become one of the top ball hawks in the league.
JonC  
Jay on the Island : 3/4/2018 11:30 am : link
Are you saying that none of this is true?
Wonder if he'd  
bc4life : 3/4/2018 11:36 am : link
be better fit in that 3 safety scheme Giants ran during their SB run?
RE: Wonder if he'd  
Jay on the Island : 3/4/2018 11:45 am : link
In comment 13849769 bc4life said:
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be better fit in that 3 safety scheme Giants ran during their SB run?

I wish that we had a Deon Grant type of safety. I know Thompson wasn't great last season but I am not ready to write him off. Last year was essentially his rookie season. I do think they need an upgrade over Adams as a backup but I don't think they should spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on a safety especially if DRC really is moving to FS.
I'm  
AcidTest : 3/4/2018 11:49 am : link
not sure he has the frame to withstand the extra pounding he'll take at safety vs corner. I agree that this is a partial vote of no confidence in Thompson.

As I've said, Fitzpatrick is fine, but not at #2.
Jay  
JonC : 3/4/2018 1:36 pm : link
Just my opinion, he has to justify the cap hit and it seems they want to keep him. On the football field, I don't think it's a good solution.
The Winter of Discontent  
Doomster : 3/4/2018 2:45 pm : link
Malcolm Butler would scare the crap out of me
Bill L : 9:54 am : link : reply
If your coach is willing to lose a SB just to keep you off the field, thereís probably some gigantic reason why.

It's called Ego......

Butler was on the outs with BB because he would not sign a team friendly deal, and the Pats exercised their option on him......

Methinks Bill did not want Butler having a big SB(like Seattle), to increase his value in the open market.....cut your nose to spite your face? BB is the kind of coach that expects you to follow his instructions without deviation....you don't do that and this happens.....there was some talk, that Butler was watching the QB too much this season looking for opportunities, to enhance his value on his next contract....

A lot of Boston Sport Writers brought up the SB topic immediately, and then it suddenly disappeared....that is the kind of media power BB has...BB wanted to send a message to everyone on this team, that it's his way or else, win/lose/or draw.....and despite the way Butler's replacements played, he stuck to his guns, and his team took the lead in the fourth quarter, playing his way.....but the defense that failed all game up to that point, did not change and they lost.....and Butler's absence was a major contribution to it.....

Even his team mates were stunned, that he didn't play at all, especially when guys went out with injuries......the only player to really speak out also didn't play because of injury, was Hightower, and he probably wasn't afraid BECAUSE HE KNOWS THIS IS HIS LAST SEASON, CONTRACT WISE.....

Butler has always impressed me, because he hustles, is a great tackler, and even when beat, he is right on his man.....

I think he finally gets the big bucks elsewhere this year....
The Winter of Discontent  
Doomster : 3/4/2018 2:45 pm : link
Malcolm Butler would scare the crap out of me
Bill L : 9:54 am : link : reply
If your coach is willing to lose a SB just to keep you off the field, thereís probably some gigantic reason why.

It's called Ego......

Butler was on the outs with BB because he would not sign a team friendly deal, and the Pats exercised their option on him......

Methinks Bill did not want Butler having a big SB(like Seattle), to increase his value in the open market.....cut your nose to spite your face? BB is the kind of coach that expects you to follow his instructions without deviation....you don't do that and this happens.....there was some talk, that Butler was watching the QB too much this season looking for opportunities, to enhance his value on his next contract....

A lot of Boston Sport Writers brought up the SB topic immediately, and then it suddenly disappeared....that is the kind of media power BB has...BB wanted to send a message to everyone on this team, that it's his way or else, win/lose/or draw.....and despite the way Butler's replacements played, he stuck to his guns, and his team took the lead in the fourth quarter, playing his way.....but the defense that failed all game up to that point, did not change and they lost.....and Butler's absence was a major contribution to it.....

Even his team mates were stunned, that he didn't play at all, especially when guys went out with injuries......the only player to really speak out also didn't play because of injury, was Hightower, and he probably wasn't afraid BECAUSE HE KNOWS THIS IS HIS LAST SEASON, CONTRACT WISE.....

Butler has always impressed me, because he hustles, is a great tackler, and even when beat, he is right on his man.....

I think he finally gets the big bucks elsewhere this year....
RE: RE: ...  
eclipz928 : 3/4/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13849689 JonC said:
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Jon - couldn't agree more. Lot's of stuff on both sides isn't reported in the media. The details between the team and players is best left there. You said it best, livelihoods.



We're not far in disagreement fundamentally, I just don't have a problem with the info about DRC that got out.

As for DRC as a tackler, he's never been a fundamentally good, consistent tackler willing to put his nose in there. If you've played the game, it's clear and obvious. He's made a more concerted effort to be a better tackler the past two seasons, at the same time and there have been positive results.

However, not to the extent where you want him playing safety where consistent tackling as the last line of defense are absolutely necessary.

I think you're conflating 2 different things about his tackling - yes, he's not the kind of player who is going to "put his nose in there", but he has been consistent. Again, I haven't seen him miss many tackles since arriving in New York (he was terrible with the Eagles) - as long as guys aren't running past him I don't think his technique is relevant.
DRC center field.. Landon in the box...  
est1986 : 3/4/2018 4:04 pm : link
Jack Rabbit and Apple on the outside.. We need a slot corner and a do-it-all sideline to sideline LB.. We have the NT in Snacks, two good edge guys who are also formidable on the interior in OV and JPP, Tomlinson will fill in nicely at all 3 spots on the interior. This defense is not far off...
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JonC : 3/5/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 13850017 eclipz928 said:
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In comment 13849499 christian said:


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Jon - couldn't agree more. Lot's of stuff on both sides isn't reported in the media. The details between the team and players is best left there. You said it best, livelihoods.



We're not far in disagreement fundamentally, I just don't have a problem with the info about DRC that got out.

As for DRC as a tackler, he's never been a fundamentally good, consistent tackler willing to put his nose in there. If you've played the game, it's clear and obvious. He's made a more concerted effort to be a better tackler the past two seasons, at the same time and there have been positive results.

However, not to the extent where you want him playing safety where consistent tackling as the last line of defense are absolutely necessary.


I think you're conflating 2 different things about his tackling - yes, he's not the kind of player who is going to "put his nose in there", but he has been consistent. Again, I haven't seen him miss many tackles since arriving in New York (he was terrible with the Eagles) - as long as guys aren't running past him I don't think his technique is relevant.


I've been clear his tackling was better the last two seasons.

But, playing safety is a different animal. Watch DRC tackle and then watch LC ...
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 3/5/2018 8:02 am : link
In comment 13850507 JonC said:
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I've been clear his tackling was better the last two seasons.

But, playing safety is a different animal. Watch DRC tackle and then watch LC ...


JonC, not many NFL players tackle like LC. The man is a LB playing safety. When he hits somebody, they go down hard and fast.
That's not the point  
JonC : 3/5/2018 8:07 am : link
Geezus, some of you guys just don't get it when it comes to DRC.
RE: That's not the point  
section125 : 3/5/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 13850513 JonC said:
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Geezus, some of you guys just don't get it when it comes to DRC.


It kind of is the point. If you expect the FS to tackle as well or nearly as well as LC, you will not find many of those floating around.
Does he tackle as well as Adams or Thompson would be a better question? Or is he as durable.

I get he can be a bit frail and gets dinged up quite a bit. The question is if his speed to coverage on the field is a bigger plus than the likelihood of missing an open field tackle or staying healthy.
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JonC : 3/5/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13850527 section125 said:
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Geezus, some of you guys just don't get it when it comes to DRC.



It kind of is the point. If you expect the FS to tackle as well or nearly as well as LC, you will not find many of those floating around.
Does he tackle as well as Adams or Thompson would be a better question? Or is he as durable.

I get he can be a bit frail and gets dinged up quite a bit. The question is if his speed to coverage on the field is a bigger plus than the likelihood of missing an open field tackle or staying healthy.


I was drawing a basic picture that says a FS must be able to tackle well and consistently. His responsibility is no one gets behind him and he draws the last line of defense as a tackler. I'm not confident he can do these things and hold up, it's not a great plan for FS other than create some competition which is ok.
The LC comparison is not the fair one. But the point still  
Jimmy Googs : 3/5/2018 8:32 am : link
remains that at Free Safety, DRC is going to have to come up and support the run at times or nail somebody who breaks thru.
And head-on-head tackles is not his strong-suit at all.

He can grab tackle and go for people's feet or tackle them from behind fairly well, but if he is going to have to line up a medium-sized RB coming into his space and bring him down... it will be interesting.

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section125 : 3/5/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13850535 JonC said:
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Geezus, some of you guys just don't get it when it comes to DRC.



It kind of is the point. If you expect the FS to tackle as well or nearly as well as LC, you will not find many of those floating around.
Does he tackle as well as Adams or Thompson would be a better question? Or is he as durable.

I get he can be a bit frail and gets dinged up quite a bit. The question is if his speed to coverage on the field is a bigger plus than the likelihood of missing an open field tackle or staying healthy.



I was drawing a basic picture that says a FS must be able to tackle well and consistently. His responsibility is no one gets behind him and he draws the last line of defense as a tackler. I'm not confident he can do these things and hold up, it's not a great plan for FS other than create some competition which is ok.


Gotcha. I'm sometimes slow. And I think you are correct that staying healthy is the biggest concern. With his speed he is not likely to be beaten deep and not likely to be outrun, but taking a RB head on with a full head of steam is worst case scenario.
?  
Doomster : 3/5/2018 10:05 am : link
DRC center field.. Landon in the box...
est1986 : 3/4/2018 4:04 pm : link : reply
Jack Rabbit and Apple on the outside.. We need a slot corner and a do-it-all sideline to sideline LB.. We have the NT in Snacks, two good edge guys who are also formidable on the interior in OV and JPP, Tomlinson will fill in nicely at all 3 spots on the interior. This defense is not far off...


Are you advocating a 3-4 defense?

We do not have one LB on this roster.....Goodson, can't stay on the field....

JPP got his money.....and plays that way.....OV has been hurt the last two seasons.....only Snacks has played well, the last two seasons.....Tomlinson was a rookie, and played like one.....he has a long way to go.....now who do you have for backups? Basically nothing....

If DRC plays FS, don't expect him to play 16 games......Collins took a step back last year, and his coverage skills were taken advantage of by opposing teams....Jenkins is our best DB.....Apple is a huge question mark.....once again, who are the backups when a DB goes down? Who will be the slot corner if DRC is the FS?

And where is the money to get players for the defense, if you are trying to fix the offense this year?

A few injuries again on defense and this defense is in trouble...

WE have a lot of roster spots to fill, because quite a few of our UFA are just not worth re-signing....There are almost 20 spots.......

So I think the defense is not as sound as you think it is....
Tomlinson played like a rookie?  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 4:42 pm : link
I think he's going to be a very good player. Certainly a learning curve but can already see the talent.
Never mind..  
BamaBlue : 3/11/2018 6:14 pm : link
DRC got cut. Another great status update by a Giants Beat Writer...
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