"With a new coaching staff and some new schemes, the #Giants are moving pieces around: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is moving to safety, I’m told. He’ll compete with starter Darian Thompson."
Keeping a 32 year old w/ 1 year left on his deal around and not cutting him to clear cap space. Doesn't sound like something a team that is rebuilding would do. Further reassuring that the Giants are in "Win-now" mode with Gettleman at the helm.
Keeping a 32 year old w/ 1 year left on his deal around and not cutting him to clear cap space. Doesn't sound like something a team that is rebuilding would do. Further reassuring that the Giants are in "Win-now" mode with Gettleman at the helm.
to keep Eli, who has no more guaranteed money coming, that confirmed the "win now." And Gettleman was hired with that understanding.
I don't find it all "reassuring" because it is the reason NYG is likely to make a long term mistake at #2.
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is.
was supposed to be a very good FS 2 years ago. He didn't play well in 2017 though. I wonder why?
Most of our defense under performed outside of Snacks, Colling and Tomlinson. Year 3 under a much better defensive mind should show us a lot about who should stick heading into 2019 and who needs to go.
I’m scrapping most of 2017, it’s almost pointless to use it as a reference point.
to keep Eli, who has no more guaranteed money coming, that confirmed the "win now." And Gettleman was hired with that understanding.
I don't find it all "reassuring" because it is the reason NYG is likely to make a long term mistake at #2.
Keeping Eli can also mean taking a really young QB at 2 and letting him sit. No one knows anything, speculating is fine but you can spin all these things in either direction.
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is. [/quote]
Disagree but don't wish to hijack your informative post.
On point, Thompson didn't make a whole lot of notably plus plays for a guy who played 96.4% of defensive snaps. Evidently the new folks in charge noticed and are looking for a solution.
I like DRC but not sure FS is his position. Afraid we'll see him heading to sidelines after a run support.
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is.
Disagree but don't wish to hijack your informative post.
On point, Thompson didn't make a whole lot of notably plus plays for a guy who played 96.4% of defensive snaps. Evidently the new folks in charge noticed and are looking for a solution.
I like DRC but not sure FS is his position. Afraid we'll see him heading to sidelines after a run support. [/quote]
The only way Thompson stood out this season was when he was missing open field tackles. I feel like it happened a bunch this season, especially in the first 3 or 4 games. I had pretty high hopes for him the last 2 years, but I guess its the typical Reese 3rd rounder.
The Thompson pick (3rd round) as criticized immediately by Mike Mayock with the comment that "He can't tackle" as the first words out of his mouth.
And that's exactly what happened. Thompson proved that can't tackle well enough to play Safety in the NFL, let alone generate the turn-overs that Reese / Ross thought he would.
Thompson just one more example of why Reese and Ross had to go, and Thompson will be gone soon, too.
DRC has the speed still to cover deep and help the corners. Could also prolong his career. Lots of older safeties playing fairly well in this league. Could eliminate a need need another FS, as well. I thought DT was crap last year. He got a little better as the season progressed, but he was not the player that was advertised. He might remain as good depth.
I will stick my neck out - DT will make a major step forward Â
That said. If a serious blue chip safety is there (r there 2 arguable top ten types?) That's always a consideration.
But again. Safeties. Corners. More lbs than we otherwise would have found. More lines players on both sides than we other wise would have found? Multiple RBs. TE...
All trade down fodder ala big time.
Unfortunately, you like to have your Safeties be solid tacklers Â
I posted recently (I think in that whispers thread) that I heard we were looking for a S who can come down in the slot.. Utilizing our own pieces first makes the most sense. Still won't rule out the draft. In that same post I said I heard we like Fitzpatrick. How much I don't know but we do like him.
and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...
No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.
christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.
Good try, but no I am not. Until you're willing to name names, it's just gossip.
That won't happen and for obvious reasons.
Here's the bottom line, tons of info does not get reported in media print, also for obvious reasons. All sorts of relationship's and livelihoods are in play.
Are betting his coverage and ball skills help the defense more than his lack of tackling hurt the team. I like this move
That's what I see also. His instincts and intelligence can only help him also.
He likely won't be asked to ever step up into the box either . I see him in the 2011 kenny Phillips role with the shaky knee but even more protected in CF
Keeping a 32 year old w/ 1 year left on his deal around and not cutting him to clear cap space. Doesn't sound like something a team that is rebuilding would do. Further reassuring that the Giants are in "Win-now" mode with Gettleman at the helm.
DRC is excellent value for the price we're paying him next year. No need to cut him at all.
Jon - couldn't agree more. Lot's of stuff on both sides isn't reported in the media. The details between the team and players is best left there. You said it best, livelihoods.
a hole at CB. Wouldn't be surprised to see them invest a high pick there given Apple's status.
I agree that they need a CB at some point in this draft, or maybe one in FA.
One guy who I am curious to see how he tests- Nick Nelson from Wisconsin. He played press-man coverage in Wisconsin and was very effective. Held DJ Moore and Simmie Cobbs in check this year apparently. He is physical, 5'10 208lbs. Reminds me a lot of Janoris Jenkins in terms of play style. He'd be a great fit for Bettcher's scheme, which relies on CB's being able to play press-man coverage. He can also return punts. I think hes projected for Round 4 right now.
Definitely could see that. Like Bettcher used Tyrann Mathieu
Every year is win now in the NFL.
I don't find it all "reassuring" because it is the reason NYG is likely to make a long term mistake at #2.
I don't find it all "reassuring" because it is the reason NYG is likely to make a long term mistake at #2.
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is.
Most of our defense under performed outside of Snacks, Colling and Tomlinson. Year 3 under a much better defensive mind should show us a lot about who should stick heading into 2019 and who needs to go.
I’m scrapping most of 2017, it’s almost pointless to use it as a reference point.
He's played hurt and showed up when lots of players on this team have not.
I don't find it all "reassuring" because it is the reason NYG is likely to make a long term mistake at #2.
Keeping Eli can also mean taking a really young QB at 2 and letting him sit. No one knows anything, speculating is fine but you can spin all these things in either direction.
The Giants need CBS. Cockrell is UFA. Going to have to sign at least one CB and probably draft one too.
You can’t count on Apple. What a disaster of a draft pick that was!
He's a tremendous, talented player who can help us win.
Minus Jerry,200 million,and a DooDoo
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is. [/quote]
Disagree but don't wish to hijack your informative post.
On point, Thompson didn't make a whole lot of notably plus plays for a guy who played 96.4% of defensive snaps. Evidently the new folks in charge noticed and are looking for a solution.
I like DRC but not sure FS is his position. Afraid we'll see him heading to sidelines after a run support.
Yea that seems clear. I guess Gettleman went back and watched the tape, and was not impressed.
Giants also were in the running for Kurt Coleman according to ESPN
If the Giants draft a hall of fame caliber talent at #2 overall, he will help the team long-term regardless of what position he plays. The more good players you have, the better your team is.
Disagree but don't wish to hijack your informative post.
On point, Thompson didn't make a whole lot of notably plus plays for a guy who played 96.4% of defensive snaps. Evidently the new folks in charge noticed and are looking for a solution.
I like DRC but not sure FS is his position. Afraid we'll see him heading to sidelines after a run support. [/quote]
The only way Thompson stood out this season was when he was missing open field tackles. I feel like it happened a bunch this season, especially in the first 3 or 4 games. I had pretty high hopes for him the last 2 years, but I guess its the typical Reese 3rd rounder.
And that's exactly what happened. Thompson proved that can't tackle well enough to play Safety in the NFL, let alone generate the turn-overs that Reese / Ross thought he would.
Thompson just one more example of why Reese and Ross had to go, and Thompson will be gone soon, too.
That said. If a serious blue chip safety is there (r there 2 arguable top ten types?) That's always a consideration.
But again. Safeties. Corners. More lbs than we otherwise would have found. More lines players on both sides than we other wise would have found? Multiple RBs. TE...
All trade down fodder ala big time.
The Giants need CBS. Cockrell is UFA. Going to have to sign at least one CB and probably draft one too.
You can’t count on Apple. What a disaster of a draft pick that was!
We do not "need" CBS although FOX is mediocre.
He's a tremendous, talented player who can help us win.
I think he's earned every nickle from his contract here in NY.
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...in 2018!
He's a tremendous, talented player who can help us win.
I think he's earned every nickle from his contract here in NY.
And to be fair, a very good Reese pickup.
No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.
christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.
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and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...
No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.
christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.
Good try, but no I am not. Until you're willing to name names, it's just gossip.
or the return of Ross Cockrell !!!!
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and DRC doesn't exactly stick his nose in that area of the game...
No, he doesn't. He'll sometimes make a good tackle, but it's often the exception.
christian, you're off target and it's easy to try and claim the high ground after a regime change.
Good try, but no I am not. Until you're willing to name names, it's just gossip.
That won't happen and for obvious reasons.
Here's the bottom line, tons of info does not get reported in media print, also for obvious reasons. All sorts of relationship's and livelihoods are in play.
That's fact.
That's what I see also. His instincts and intelligence can only help him also.
He likely won't be asked to ever step up into the box either . I see him in the 2011 kenny Phillips role with the shaky knee but even more protected in CF
DRC is excellent value for the price we're paying him next year. No need to cut him at all.
I agree that they need a CB at some point in this draft, or maybe one in FA.
One guy who I am curious to see how he tests- Nick Nelson from Wisconsin. He played press-man coverage in Wisconsin and was very effective. Held DJ Moore and Simmie Cobbs in check this year apparently. He is physical, 5'10 208lbs. Reminds me a lot of Janoris Jenkins in terms of play style. He'd be a great fit for Bettcher's scheme, which relies on CB's being able to play press-man coverage. He can also return punts. I think hes projected for Round 4 right now.