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Tony Romo Hall of Fame? No, but he’s much better than Eli..

trueblueinpw : 3/3/2018 11:02 pm
I think it’s absurd to even consider Tony Romo for the HOF. But before the writer of this article essentially agrees, he takes more than a few shots at Eli and concludes:

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Eli Manning is clearly not of the same quality as the other players on this list. I have never seriously considered him a legitimate HOF candidate. He’ll probably elicit serious consideration simply because of two Super Bowl wins (and MVPs) and... well, New York. But by any objective measure he’s not the same caliber quarterback as the other names on this list, including Tony Romo.


I know it’s a Cowpukes blog but how does anyone say they’re “okay” with Kurt Warner being in the HOF but Eli does not belong? And how does anyone consider Romo to have been a better QB than Eli? I hate to give this guy the clicks.


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It flat out comes down to  
bradshaw44 : 3/3/2018 11:26 pm : link
Who choked in big spots, and who played like the greatest QB to ever play the game when the chips were down. That’s why Eli is HOF, and Romo isn’t.
2 SB's  
Phil in LA : 3/3/2018 11:38 pm : link
2 SB MVP's.
When I think of Romo, I see him dropping the FG snap  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2018 11:44 pm : link
vs the Seahawks and then getting tackled to lose the game.

And then I remember Eli throwing passes to lead the Giants to 2 wins in the 4QTR of two Super Bowls.
I love how  
BlackLight : 3/4/2018 12:17 am : link
he talks about Eli's 2 SB wins and 2 SB MVPs, and then says, "by any objective measure," Romo was better. I guess Super Bowls and MVPs are subjective measures? If you refuse to watch the games, the results don't count?

He should put on the tape of the 2007 playoff where they went head  
JohnB : 3/4/2018 12:42 am : link
to head in a big spot.

Romo led them on a VERY long drive at the end of the half leaving Eli with something like a minute to play. Eli answered in 45 seconds and walked into the locker room with the lead. That was a statement drive if there ever was one.
Seriously  
montanagiant : 3/4/2018 12:59 am : link
They all can go fuck themselves that sit there and pretend Romo has done squat to make the HoF in comparison to Eli.

Let me repeat that "They can go fuck themselves"
RE: When I think of Romo, I see him dropping the FG snap  
mrvax : 3/4/2018 1:19 am : link
In comment 13849529 Jimmy Googs said:
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vs the Seahawks and then getting tackled to lose the game.

And then I remember Eli throwing passes to lead the Giants to 2 wins in the 4QTR of two Super Bowls.


Is that the same play that made Bill Parcells decide to leave NFL coaching forever?
Dedicated Dallas Homer!  
Giant John : 3/4/2018 3:44 am : link
What would you expect? I hope they offer him a free ticket to Eli’s acceptance speech.
RE: RE: When I think of Romo, I see him dropping the FG snap  
bradshaw44 : 3/4/2018 4:26 am : link
In comment 13849560 mrvax said:
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In comment 13849529 Jimmy Googs said:


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vs the Seahawks and then getting tackled to lose the game.

And then I remember Eli throwing passes to lead the Giants to 2 wins in the 4QTR of two Super Bowls.



Is that the same play that made Bill Parcells decide to leave NFL coaching forever?


Yep.
For me when it comes to football it has always been  
steve in ky : 3/4/2018 4:55 am : link
that the number one goal is winning a championship. Sure there have been good and great players to play that have failed to accomplish that and people can debate their greatness and how it compares historically in the league. But one thing you can't do is dismiss those that have achieved the ultimate goal of winning championships. Championships are the goal and just how the scoreboard dictates which team was better on any given Sunday, championships determine that for a career.
I guess the fact Eli didn't hold for FGS and Romo did  
TheMick7 : 3/4/2018 6:09 am : link
was the tipping point....oh wait!
romo, ben, and peyton  
dep026 : 3/4/2018 6:54 am : link
Played with the most talent than any qb in the last 20 years.

Two of them have won multiple super bowls. The other has win 2 play off games.
That 2007 squad that Romo had....  
Britt in VA : 3/4/2018 6:58 am : link
was 13-3, and had 13 Pro Bowlers on the team.
RE: When I think of Romo, I see him dropping the FG snap  
markky : 3/4/2018 7:04 am : link
In comment 13849529 Jimmy Googs said:
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vs the Seahawks and then getting tackled to lose the game.

And then I remember Eli throwing passes to lead the Giants to 2 wins in the 4QTR of two Super Bowls.


this is exactly the image i have when I think "Romo / Playoffs". No way is Romo in the same league as Eli.
Lost playoff games with a better  
section125 : 3/4/2018 7:40 am : link
team and never won one vs 2 Super Bowls and the associated runs.

Romo was a better QB when it did not matter the majority of the time. Eli was the better QB when it did. As tough as Romo was, he missed a lot of time to legitimate injuries, Eli never missed a game.
RE: It flat out comes down to  
Giants1956 : 3/4/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 13849524 bradshaw44 said:
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Who choked in big spots, and who played like the greatest QB to ever play the game when the chips were down. That’s why Eli is HOF, and Romo isn’t.


Couldn't agree more. There are certain players who always
rise to the occasion, they don't choke. Eli is one of those
guys.

I blame 2 things for this fallacy.  
FStubbs : 3/4/2018 7:55 am : link
1. Fantasy football. No debate Romo was a better fantasy football player than Eli. But that's fantasy, not reality.
2. You know what is bigger than the alleged New York bias? Dallas Cowboys bias. Any Pro Bowl level QB that plays for that team (which is what Romo was) is hyped beyond what they actually were.
Romo was a good quarterback  
joeinpa : 3/4/2018 8:02 am : link
I know as a Giants fan, I always thought it would be tough to win those games against his teams.

But his career was not better than Eli s. You can compare regular seasons all you want, but in big spots Eli was infinitely better.

As to the HOF, I don t think Romo will get serious consideration.

Eli will, but he is not a lock to get in as many seem to think.

My favorite part in the op is  
BigBlueShock : 3/4/2018 8:08 am : link
“And...well, New York”. Wtf? Eli gets overrated because he plays in New York but Romo gets underrated because he plays in little ole Dallas, is that his point? The freaking Cowboys are the most overhyped team in all of sports. They get more coverage and attention than anyone. Yet this Dallas homer acts like it is Eli with the built in advantage? Give me a freaking break
Romo was really good  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2018 8:08 am : link
but for too short a time and came up too small too often. Not anHall of Famer.
I think they both will get in  
RetroJint : 3/4/2018 8:14 am : link
They deserve it. Romo finished 78-49 lifetime . Although his playoff record was only 2-6, it’s also true that he had a 93 rating in the post season , 8 TDs, 2 picks . His playoff malaise centers around the bobbled snap and bugging out with Simpson. However, in terms of regular season last-possession wins and bringing his team back from 3-score deficits, I doubt there was any quarterback better in the history of the game.

As for Eli, the stain on his career will be his lifetime W-L record . One more lousy season and he will become the Gene Shue of NFL legends , essentially a win one, lose one guy who hung around forever .
So he’s good because of  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2018 8:24 am : link
a handful of wins after 3 score deficits? Do Aaron Rodgers comebacks not count as much if they aren’t by 3 scores? He’s the best I’ve ever seen late in games playing from behind, exceedingly better than Romo.

And what about Eli’s entire 2007 run through the playoffs? More impressive than anything Romo has done.
Neither is a Hall of Famer...  
bw in dc : 3/4/2018 8:54 am : link
in my book.

Romo was a better regular season QB than Eli, the numbers bear that out clearly, but Eli had much bigger moments in the playoffs.



Eli, in my opinion,  
Doomster : 3/4/2018 8:55 am : link
is the greatest QB to play for the NY Giants.....

But to say he has been clutch his entire career, is crazy.....

He had a great run, after a so-so season in 2007....

His greatest season, 2011, was the season that gave him the "clutch title" with all the fourth quarter comebacks....

But Eli has played 14 seasons.....in 12 of them, he had not led his team to a playoff victory......

He has never had a high statistical, eye popping season.....he averages 25 td's, under 4k yards, and under 60% completions, while averaging an int a game.....you play 14 years, where qb's basically can't be touched, and you accumulate stats to get into the top 10 category of lifetime stats.....THIS IS HOW THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA AND NON GIANT FANS LOOK AT ELI.....

They don't see that he won a SB with a defense that gave up 400 points in the regular season.....they don't see how he has played without an OL for almost 7 seasons......they don't see the injuries to Smith, Hicks, Cruz, or OBj. They don't see the lack of a running game that he has had for most of his career.....or lack of stellar TE, too...and they just say, look at the last two seasons, without factoring in what Mac did to this offense and Eli.....

Who knows what Eli might have done, if he played with better offensive support? Giant fans tend to over rate him, while uninformed fans go in the other direction....

HOF? I think so, but not a first or possibly even second ballot....it may take awhile....
I would be happy to have a Tony Romo clone as the next Giants  
Ivan15 : 3/4/2018 9:03 am : link
franchise QB.

What was he? 8th round or UDFA?
eli should not have been the superbowl  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 9:37 am : link
MVP in 2007,tuck was the best player on the field in that game.eli no lock for the HOF due to the many mediocre and sometimes good reg seasons,a 500 W/L record and bushels of TO.
Anyone who wants to use stats against Eli  
Jay on the Island : 3/4/2018 10:13 am : link
in order to keep him out of the HOF why is Joe Namath in the HOF then? Losing record, more TO's than TD's, 1 SB win. Yeah I know his teams weren't great but were Eli's? with the exception of a late season surge by the DE's Eli really didn't have much to work with during his entire career.
I have nothing for this  
Dan Blue : 3/4/2018 10:15 am : link
I can see being a fan of your team but this is just silly. Keep trying.
Doomster  
joeinpa : 3/4/2018 10:20 am : link
I agree that Eli is in consideration for best New York Giants quarterback of all time, although I would lean to Simms or Y. A. T.

But pointing out that in 14 seasons he has only led the Giants to play off victories in two of them, makes a poor case for him despite the extenuating circumstances you site.
I was always a fan of Romo  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/4/2018 10:36 am : link
even if I hated the Cowboys and hated ESPN's obsession with Romo. But during their primes, Romo had a far better offensive line, far better running game, better/more consistent receiving weapons, and played in a dome.
RE: Eli, in my opinion,  
FStubbs : 3/4/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13849652 Doomster said:
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is the greatest QB to play for the NY Giants.....

But to say he has been clutch his entire career, is crazy.....

He had a great run, after a so-so season in 2007....

His greatest season, 2011, was the season that gave him the "clutch title" with all the fourth quarter comebacks....

But Eli has played 14 seasons.....in 12 of them, he had not led his team to a playoff victory......

He has never had a high statistical, eye popping season.....he averages 25 td's, under 4k yards, and under 60% completions, while averaging an int a game.....you play 14 years, where qb's basically can't be touched, and you accumulate stats to get into the top 10 category of lifetime stats.....THIS IS HOW THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA AND NON GIANT FANS LOOK AT ELI.....

They don't see that he won a SB with a defense that gave up 400 points in the regular season.....they don't see how he has played without an OL for almost 7 seasons......they don't see the injuries to Smith, Hicks, Cruz, or OBj. They don't see the lack of a running game that he has had for most of his career.....or lack of stellar TE, too...and they just say, look at the last two seasons, without factoring in what Mac did to this offense and Eli.....

Who knows what Eli might have done, if he played with better offensive support? Giant fans tend to over rate him, while uninformed fans go in the other direction....

HOF? I think so, but not a first or possibly even second ballot....it may take awhile....


Basically this. That 2011 team was a 2-14 team without Eli.
LOL!  
mdthedream : 3/4/2018 11:16 am : link
Winning in big games matters. Let alone taking a wildcard team and winning against a 18-0 Patriots team is huge.
Don’t forget Kurt Warner in this guy’s article  
trueblueinpw : 3/4/2018 12:51 pm : link
Romo to the HOF is a silly joke. No one in their right mind would argue Romo had an HOF career. But this guy’s saying Romo was better and Kurt Warner was better than Eli. Romo is so ridiculous, I really don’t care. But why do people think Kurt Warner is better than Eli? And why is Big Ben considered to be so much better than Eli? To me the two Sups and two Sup MVPs and Eli’s consecutive game starting streak (which should still be unbroken) make him an easy HOF selection.
RE: Don’t forget Kurt Warner in this guy’s article  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13849840 trueblueinpw said:
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Romo to the HOF is a silly joke. No one in their right mind would argue Romo had an HOF career. But this guy’s saying Romo was better and Kurt Warner was better than Eli. Romo is so ridiculous, I really don’t care. But why do people think Kurt Warner is better than Eli? And why is Big Ben considered to be so much better than Eli? To me the two Sups and two Sup MVPs and Eli’s consecutive game starting streak (which should still be unbroken) make him an easy HOF selection.


the cult of eli is something to behold.almost like a religious figure.
RE: RE: Don’t forget Kurt Warner in this guy’s article  
trueblueinpw : 3/4/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13849849 sundayatone said:
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the cult of eli is something to behold.almost like a religious figure.


Wow, Eli Manning fans on a Giants message board. What a fucking surprise.
RE: RE: Don’t forget Kurt Warner in this guy’s article  
dep026 : 3/4/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13849849 sundayatone said:
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In comment 13849840 trueblueinpw said:


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Romo to the HOF is a silly joke. No one in their right mind would argue Romo had an HOF career. But this guy’s saying Romo was better and Kurt Warner was better than Eli. Romo is so ridiculous, I really don’t care. But why do people think Kurt Warner is better than Eli? And why is Big Ben considered to be so much better than Eli? To me the two Sups and two Sup MVPs and Eli’s consecutive game starting streak (which should still be unbroken) make him an easy HOF selection.



the cult of eli is something to behold.almost like a religious figure.


So is the cult of anti-Eli people.
RE: RE: RE: Don’t forget Kurt Warner in this guy’s article  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13849872 dep026 said:
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In comment 13849849 sundayatone said:


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In comment 13849840 trueblueinpw said:


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Romo to the HOF is a silly joke. No one in their right mind would argue Romo had an HOF career. But this guy’s saying Romo was better and Kurt Warner was better than Eli. Romo is so ridiculous, I really don’t care. But why do people think Kurt Warner is better than Eli? And why is Big Ben considered to be so much better than Eli? To me the two Sups and two Sup MVPs and Eli’s consecutive game starting streak (which should still be unbroken) make him an easy HOF selection.



the cult of eli is something to behold.almost like a religious figure.



So is the cult of anti-Eli people.


well played my friend
For the life of me I will never understand  
montanagiant : 3/4/2018 1:53 pm : link
How anyone who calls themselves a Giants fan bad mouths Eli Manning.
HOF  
Dragon : 3/4/2018 2:44 pm : link
Has become a joke in the past players earned it on career production but now it’s a somewhat popularity contest for fans and voters. Do you have to induct someone every year that’s a good question but not only that are the numbers across the board the same with the rule changes in the game. Eli gets the award for games started but if you could hit him as they did in the past would he have made all those starts.

Romo before Eli makes no sense what did he ever do except maybe provide the same hype Eli and the Giants did this year annually for the Cowgirls. Not sure how you fix the process but for sure in most sports there plenty of guys going in each year that make us all ask really is he a true HOF?
Has..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/4/2018 2:49 pm : link
sundayatone ever posted on a subject that wasn't a slam somehow on Eli?

I think he could even work an insult in on a thread about pizza.

A fucking troll of the highest degree.
RE: Has..  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13849952 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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sundayatone ever posted on a subject that wasn't a slam somehow on Eli?

I think he could even work an insult in on a thread about pizza.

A fucking troll of the highest degree.


if this bothers you lady, seek help.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/4/2018 3:41 pm : link
seek help??

Let's see current threads. On the Giants being down to the last 4 teams to play the opener, somehow an Eli slam was worked in:

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gettelman will be happy
sundayatone : 2/27/2018 2:03 pm : link : reply
he saw eli play well against philly in dec,musta missed the following weeks horror show in az.


In the overrated players thread:
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another smart take
sundayatone : 2/26/2018 5:31 pm : link : reply
on the eli myth


In the Bart Scott thread:
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facts not allowed in the eli cult club.


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RE: RE: I swear some of our more endearing trolls here have an alarm set up
sundayatone : 2/24/2018 10:39 am : link : reply
In comment 13841264 Route 9 said:
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In comment 13840956 mfsd said:


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that notifies them every time Eli’s name is mentioned in a discussion, so they can jump on ASAP to dump on him



They don't even do much of a good job at trying to hide it here either. Same old boring shit.


yeah,all the eli cultists trolls make it so easy.


On the Schwartz thread:
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macadoo was the only adult in the room,did nothing wrong,eli benched himself. you are right about mara,shoulda ordered stevie to play webb,the world would not have come to a end.


Just a one-trick pony. Calling out "the cult of Eli" is fucking rich. And by rich, I mean galactically fucking stupid.
I don’t think anyone questions that Eli is the best QB  
Bill L : 3/4/2018 3:42 pm : link
Ever to play for the Giants. If you can’t get him in, then I’d like to see the YAT’s and Conerly’s removed.
RE: LOL...  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13850006 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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seek help??

Let's see current threads. On the Giants being down to the last 4 teams to play the opener, somehow an Eli slam was worked in:



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gettelman will be happy
sundayatone : 2/27/2018 2:03 pm : link : reply
he saw eli play well against philly in dec,musta missed the following weeks horror show in az.



In the overrated players thread:


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another smart take
sundayatone : 2/26/2018 5:31 pm : link : reply
on the eli myth



In the Bart Scott thread:


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facts not allowed in the eli cult club.





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RE: RE: I swear some of our more endearing trolls here have an alarm set up
sundayatone : 2/24/2018 10:39 am : link : reply
In comment 13841264 Route 9 said:
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In comment 13840956 mfsd said:


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that notifies them every time Eli’s name is mentioned in a discussion, so they can jump on ASAP to dump on him



They don't even do much of a good job at trying to hide it here either. Same old boring shit.


yeah,all the eli cultists trolls make it so easy.



On the Schwartz thread:


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macadoo was the only adult in the room,did nothing wrong,eli benched himself. you are right about mara,shoulda ordered stevie to play webb,the world would not have come to a end.



Just a one-trick pony. Calling out "the cult of Eli" is fucking rich. And by rich, I mean galactically fucking stupid.


you mad bro. the last 5yrs the offense has been broken twice with saint eli,30 pts has been seen since 2015,open your eyes,stop living in the past,time to move on.
I'm not..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/4/2018 4:06 pm : link
mad. Just calling you out as a moronic troll.

Your last sentence is pretty damning evidence of your stupidity.
RE: I'm not..  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13850036 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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mad. Just calling you out as a moronic troll.

Your last sentence is pretty damning evidence of your stupidity.


pretty tuff behind that keyboard,figures. but i will leave it that.
sundayatone  
Jay on the Island : 3/4/2018 4:22 pm : link
do you think that Troy Aikman was worthy of the HOF?
RE: sundayatone  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13850057 Jay on the Island said:
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do you think that Troy Aikman was worthy of the HOF?


no,but i am a very hard marker.
Ok well he is in the HOF  
Jay on the Island : 3/4/2018 4:31 pm : link
and his numbers are significantly worse than Eli's. His career high in passing yards would have been Eli's 4th worst. His career high in TD passes is 23 and he never eclipsed 20 again in his career. He also had the luxury of playing on a stacked team with arguably the best offensive line in football. Sure he played in a different era but it is absurd to criticize Eli for not being HOF worthy when guys like Aikman and Namath are in.
RE: Ok well he is in the HOF  
sundayatone : 3/4/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13850067 Jay on the Island said:
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and his numbers are significantly worse than Eli's. His career high in passing yards would have been Eli's 4th worst. His career high in TD passes is 23 and he never eclipsed 20 again in his career. He also had the luxury of playing on a stacked team with arguably the best offensive line in football. Sure he played in a different era but it is absurd to criticize Eli for not being HOF worthy when guys like Aikman and Namath are in.


so you agree,not a hof?
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